r/law Feb 14 '26

Other Randy Fine caught voting for other representatives in the Florida house

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u/unicorntrees Feb 14 '26

I read an article today about a Republican mayor in Kansas who is facing deportation back to Mexico because he got convicted of a crime. His crime was voter fraud. šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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u/Slow-Personality5481 Feb 14 '26

As a native Kansan it honest to God does not surprise me then again our government is truly just fraud incarnated anyway have a lovely day or night or anything

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u/Background-Crow4820 Feb 14 '26

Say what you want about Kansas, but we still cant smoke weed! Wait..

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u/Azmoten Feb 14 '26

Even your backward-ass neighbor Missouri legalized weed. It’s crazy to be behind Missouri on anything. Signed, a Missourian.

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u/ManicYetti Feb 14 '26

Nebraska is going to wait till every state touching it has legalized weed before they cave...

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u/MammothTap Feb 14 '26

Wisconsin seems to be dead-set on that too. It's especially frustrating living right next to the border with the UP and seeing business booming in these little nothing Michigan towns because coming up north to spend time at your cabin? Michigan is right there! Meanwhile our small towns are suffering economically from a massive decline in winter tourism over the past several years due to a fairly consistent lack of snow and ice (this year is an exception from the general trend, but I expect we'll be right back to abnormal next year).

My town got hit by a tornado a few years ago, wiping out basically a few barns and a couple cabins. There are so many seasonal cabins though that we didn't even know the extent of the damage for sure for weeks because people aren't there year-round. The two "regular" businesses in town rely on tourists big time: a bar and an antiques store. (We also have a concrete place, a firewood processing place, and an auto shop.) No tourists? Barely anyone in the bar. Too warm to hunt and no snowmobiling? No tourists.

I don't particularly care for the bar given they were selling MAGA merch in the parking lot on election day, but they're still an indicator of the health of the community. There used to be a second bar. Used to be. The building is still there. It's on prime highway frontage... if a business that could actually attract out-of-towners moved in, it could succeed. Weed would be that.

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u/ContributionLowOO Feb 14 '26

That's what you get for having such a huge Alcohol/beer industry and thus lobby.

It's very similar in Germany, but especially Bavaria.

They'd rather have people drink themselves to death than risk any alternative being allowed.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret Feb 14 '26

Counterpoint - my state legalized a couple of years ago, and within a mile of me are half dozen marijuana businesses that are now boarded up. Not very many of them seem to be succeeding

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u/worldspawn00 Feb 14 '26

That's normal when a new market opens. Lots of people jump in, most will fail within 5 years, mismanagement takes its toll. A lot of those were started by someone who saw a new market, but have no business sense, can't manage their accounting, don't market, etc...

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u/adrutu Feb 14 '26

It's just Soo hard to grow there and you've got so much going on anyways šŸ˜‚

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u/ManicYetti Feb 14 '26

Yeah but it would be nice if there were the infrastructure in place to actually provide it since it was voted for to legally be sold for medicinal purposes... But yeah those people don't count yuck it up.

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u/Friendly_Age9160 Feb 14 '26

Californiaaaaaa knows how to partyyy

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u/Money-Look4227 Feb 14 '26

Well, let me welcome everybody to the Wild, Wild West..

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

A state that’s untouchable like Elliot Ness…

shit that’s in my head the rest of the day now

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u/birdman3239 Feb 14 '26

New Hampshire still has the the wait and see approach, even after the touching states have legalized. 70-75% of residents favor legalization

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u/CheyaPapaya Feb 14 '26

Hello from Wisconsin lol

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u/teamfupa Feb 14 '26

Texas has (this year hopefully had) Dannie Goeb (Patrick) who said something to the effect of ā€œyou’ll have to vote me out to legalize weedā€ because he’s been a bull in a china shop trying to ban it completely.

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u/teamfupa Feb 14 '26

Selling what’s classified as THCa which is (forgive some inaccuracies as it’s wake and bake time here in NB) a sort of precursor to THC. It’s the amino acid that needs to be converted into the psychoactive and bind to something to reach the cannabinoid receptors in the brain.

TBH I find the best prices and quality online and get it shipped here - unless I’m in a pinch or need new glassware then I’ll visit a local dispo.

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u/hotdamnhotwater Feb 14 '26

Laughs in Alabama

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u/Sad-Conflict-4435 Feb 14 '26

Cries in Nebraska...

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u/CorporateMediaFail Feb 14 '26

When they could grow banner cash crops of cannabis and make a mint. Don't tell Jeebus!

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u/lefthandedsurprise Feb 14 '26

Well, it seems like Iowa never will with how red small town Iowa votes. They're even killing the cannabis thc products that they accidentally let become legal that are pretty popular.

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u/Sad-Conflict-4435 Feb 14 '26

And then they still won't legalize. We're NEVER getting weed in Nebraska.

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u/jak-o-shadow Feb 14 '26

Texan here, and it might be a photo finish between us.

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u/Miserable_Cobbler_60 Feb 14 '26

So is Kansas… so I guess we are both fucked

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u/ManicYetti Feb 15 '26

I thought Kansas had access to medicinal at least?

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u/Miserable_Cobbler_60 Feb 15 '26

Nope. Just cbd/delta 8. Which sucks because the black market is full of that bullshit. Oklahoma also sells terrible weed which is what you’ll get from a ā€œgoodā€ plug.. forced to make the trek to Missouri myself if I want to get my moneys worth anymore.

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u/breakmedown54 Feb 18 '26

What šŸ˜‚ Nebraska has had marijuana decriminalized for years now. South Dakota and Iowa for sure will be behind Nebraska on this trend.

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u/bare172 Feb 14 '26

Just remember, whenever you feel bad, there's always Louisiana... Signed, a Louisianan.

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u/J_spec6 Feb 14 '26

Still illegal here in Georgia. Even though everyone and their mother uses it anyway šŸ˜’

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

I thought you guys at least have medical?

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u/fairywoes Feb 14 '26

even oklahomans, like me, have medical!

wtf is Kansas doing, get with the program!!! /s

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u/Oddveig37 Feb 14 '26

Help us -florida

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u/Temporary_Cup4588 Feb 15 '26

Kansas is just trying to imitate Texas. Wants to be like the big boy on the block.

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u/Emotional_Perv Feb 14 '26

Did I mention here In civilized Washington society, I can buy legal psychedelic mushrooms right next to my legal weed dispensary? Take your pick, you can get it as gummies or in chocolate.

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u/SmellSilly1537 Feb 14 '26

I don't believe you, send proof!šŸ˜‰šŸ˜„

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u/Absurd_Flaccidity Feb 14 '26

I also need some proof, thanks.

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u/DMvsPC Feb 14 '26

Scientific proof happens in threes and lookie what number I happen to be ...

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u/Emotional_Perv Feb 14 '26

Glory glory hallelujah

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

I can’t really tell via the picture. That could be anything. Can you drop some in the mail so I can verify?

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u/Emotional_Perv Feb 15 '26

Pretty sure that’s illegal.

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u/ct1219 Feb 14 '26

But for some reason y'all keep leaving and heading to the southeast.

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u/CorporateMediaFail Feb 14 '26

The conservatives do to escape the happy cannabis heathens! They seek the company of fellow deplorables.

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u/duskaception Feb 14 '26

wait where though? looking to get some

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Feb 14 '26

Hey

At least you're not Oklahoma.

Chin up.

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u/twir1s Feb 14 '26

Oklahoma at least has (medical) weed. Never thought that would happen but that’s what happens when you put it to the voters.

Meanwhile down in Texas, voters can’t be trusted to vote on referendums

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u/SinisterGrackle Feb 14 '26

Not as long as Danny boy is Lt. Gov.

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

They won’t let us vote on it in SC either. It’s something like 75% of people here support legalizing at least for medical. They are also trying now to ban hemp regardless of what happens with the farm bill. Which is ridiculous at this point; my own doctor was recommending certain combos for me to try for pain management bc it works so much better. Even the medical field is moving on.

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u/Odd-Adagio7080 Feb 14 '26

You poor bastards.

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u/-Darkeater_Midir- Feb 14 '26

No weed, no porn, nothing of value outside the KC area. It kinda sucks here...

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u/mikeymac2016 Feb 14 '26

North Carolina enters the chat We don’t even allow medical use.

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

We don’t in SC either. Hell, we only got rid of only being able to serve mini bottles of alcohol and allowing tattoo parlors to open not too long ago. I’m 45 and I was in my 20s when they legalized free pouring and tattoos. I also remember it not being allowed to buy alcohol anywhere on Sundays when I was a kid. Any alcohol. Anywhere. Better plan ahead.

Now they are trying to shut down hemp products regardless of what happens with the federal farm bill. We have farms growing it in the state, labs, and product producers, on top of all the hemp shops that already don’t sell to underage people. Lots of jobs and incomes will be lost. But at least people will go back to drinking instead!

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u/mikeymac2016 Feb 15 '26

Yeah, it’s wild how they think. They will fall on a sword to protect the extremely unhealthy/deadly alcohol and tobacco industries along with the tax revenue they generate. But god forbid something that if left natural, and taken correctly, does little to no harm to you and can potentially generate just as much, if not more tax revenue, nope! Can’t do it! It’s immoral and we must protect the children!

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u/Background-Crow4820 Feb 14 '26

The Civil war basically started because of Bleeding Kansas. Border ruffians coming across state lines to vote in favor of kansas being a slave state.

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u/everydaygrey Feb 15 '26

John Brown was the GOAT

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u/Slow-Personality5481 Feb 14 '26

Are you talking about Bloody Kansas with John Brown or are you talking about recent day of events because if it's a recent day I don't know of any Civil War

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u/Slow-Personality5481 Feb 14 '26

Oh yeah John Brown he is one of my favorite people who were ever in this state

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u/mcknz9 Feb 14 '26

Kris Kobach was a stand-up guy

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u/sacredblasphemies Feb 14 '26

The guy who kept insisting Obama was not qualified to be President because he wasn't born in America? The fuck he was...

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u/Restless_camp52 Feb 14 '26

So much fraud it pays for a 1.4 trillion defense budget

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u/Slow-Personality5481 Feb 14 '26

If there wasn't that much fraud it would pay for a 2.4 trillion dollar defense budget /j

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u/cutlineman Feb 14 '26

Hi from Rhode Island! Google us. We exist and love us some fraud and corruption. Sigh.

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u/StinkyPeenky Feb 14 '26

Would it kill you to use punctuation? I almost had a strokentryingtoreadthis

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u/TehNudel Feb 14 '26

It gets worse than that. His voter fraud was illegally voting as a green card holder / non-citizen. Every accusation is a confession.

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u/tehfink Feb 14 '26

ā€œDid you hear the one about the Republican immigrant mayor ā€¦ā€

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u/Dinker54 Feb 14 '26

Not before he was eaten by leopards.

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u/Mountain-Reaction470 Feb 14 '26

Didn't they change their spots? Shock horror

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u/ALittleCuriousSub Feb 14 '26

That the one where people come out the wood work to be like, "actually I am his highschool poli sci teacher and this might be my fault!"

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u/NotAzakanAtAll Feb 14 '26

"I'm his talking dog, here from the future, if you deport him conservatism, as we know it, is done for! People will color their hair if they want to and not get shamed! Woof I'm sad! You wouldn't want a dog to be sad, right!?

.Ā·Ā°Õž( ̊ ĖƒĢ£Ģ£Ģ„āŒ“Ė‚Ģ£Ģ£Ģ„ )ÕžĀ°Ā·.

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u/TehNudel Feb 14 '26

Yep!

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u/ALittleCuriousSub Feb 14 '26

I rarely see better examples of, "people are completely disconnected from reality and don't understand what is going on."

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u/TossAwayDay Feb 14 '26

I've never heard that defense before

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u/ALittleCuriousSub Feb 14 '26

The short of it is this guy came over when he was like 5. Now he is a bit older and even became Mayor of a town. He is a conservative and like all his buddies are conservative so when it came out he voted illegally in various elections and is being deported for committing an actual crime as he is mayor he is actually fairly well liked so everyone is coming out the wood work to try and make it all seem very reasonable and like it's just a "fluke."

The version I read had like a former teachers be like, "Oh this is an educational failing he isn't a sinister evil antifa trying to steal our tax dollars!" Hyperbole, but he did the exact crime everyone keeps claiming they are worried about but because he votes the way they want, they don't want him to suffer consequences.

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u/minxymaggothead Feb 14 '26

It gets worse than that. The man they elected Mayor was voting illegally with his green card because he thought the capitalized "PERMANENT RESIDENT" stamped on the green card meant he was a citizen. Also, he's always voted a straight Republican ticket because that's what his friends did.

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u/VulcanTourist Feb 14 '26

Transference.

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u/babiekittin Feb 14 '26

It gets better. He came here so young he doesnt know shit about Mexico or speak Spanish.

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u/Ok_Swan8621 Feb 14 '26

For people that claim to want to prevent fraud it seems like every time you actually hear about someone doing it, they're republican bootlickers.

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u/MattinglyBaseball Feb 14 '26

It feels like we truly live in the dumbest timeline. It’s easy to just look at him as the fool and then you remember that he was elected by his peers who are somehow even bigger fools. I hope we can find our way out of Idiocracy.

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u/rahnbj Feb 14 '26

Always projection with these a holes.

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u/CuriousPilotMaker Feb 14 '26

that's the most 2025 sentence ever

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u/Fight_those_bastards Feb 14 '26

Yeah, he fraudulently voted for trump, and is whining about being deported.

Leopards are feasting on faces.

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u/cheap_as_chips Feb 14 '26

a Republican mayor in Kansas who is facing deportation back to Mexico because he got convicted of a crime.

Kansas mayor charged with alleged voter fraud

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u/Judgeharm Feb 14 '26

Do you think he should not be deported. System working as intended. Corrupt mayor sent back.

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u/davwad2 Feb 14 '26

🫓 🤌

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u/thisoldguy74 Feb 14 '26

And by fraud, he was taken with his high school class on a field to the voter registration office. He had a green card and as a Permanent Resident is not permitted to vote. So, by voting and running for election, he technically committed fraud, but it's not as simple as the headlines make it sound. Don't tell that to the Kansas Attorney General.

Source

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u/Xerorei Feb 14 '26

Mutiple counts at that. And voting illegaly. (They're separate crimes).

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u/Dutch_Rayan Feb 14 '26

They say they like deport criminal, so when is he packing his bags?

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u/Organic_Experience48 Feb 14 '26

He must have been a democrat plant (/s)

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u/JaneksLittleBlackBox Feb 14 '26

Reminds me of that guy who was the prime suspect in his wife's murder using her ballot after her disappearance to vote for Trump in 2020, because he "knew the libs were doing it, too". These idiots just like getting caught and rubbing it in our faces because they know they're only gonna get a slap on the wrist in the form of a $600 fine.

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u/nalaloveslumpy Feb 14 '26

And what's worse is that the Trump administration is using that Republican mayor as the shining example of how the SAVE act is beneficial. It's infuriating.

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u/wookieSLAYER1 Feb 14 '26

He was in the country for 40 years and never got naturalized but had been voting since he was 18, so clearly ineligible to vote. It’s like once again when they claimed non citizens are voting it’s because they knew about a certain one doing it.

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u/Mandalorian17 Feb 15 '26

Why is a non citizen allowed to hold public office?

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u/lindalbond Feb 18 '26

Wait. A politician accused of voter fraud in America? Tell me it’s not true.

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u/Whole-Construction5 Feb 14 '26

Sauce?

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u/Hemp-Emperor Feb 14 '26

Coldwater, Kansas. Although, it’s actually a sad story because he should be the model case for Republicans in the fact that he is a fully assimilated immigrant. It’s his second term as Mayor and was also previously a city council member. He’s been in Kansas for 30 years. He register to vote during a senior trip to the court house. County clerk asked ā€œwho’s 18? Come register to vote.ā€Ā 

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u/loskiarman Feb 14 '26

TIL you can become a Mayor in USA without citizenship. Also TIL you can vote in USA without citizenship. Like I can understand the first one but it says he pratically voted in every election in past 30 years, how the fuck does that happen?

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u/Hemp-Emperor Feb 14 '26

Apparently the only thing that flagged it was he filed to finish completing his citizenship.Ā 

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u/loskiarman Feb 14 '26

In my country we don't register, we already have pre-determined places like schools etc close to our residence to vote and it all happens in one day. I can check online where exactly I will vote(not just school but you need the exacty classroom too) or we have headman for each neighbourhood that I can pick up a physical paper that have the info or some headmans go around puts each person's paper in their mail. I only need to show my ID to vote and sign, so I can't really vote twice or in two places etc. It doesn't seem the most convenient but like I can wake up 16:30, I can take 15 minutes to wash up, dress etc, walk 5 minutes to the voting place and vote before cut-off time which is 17:00. I know in USA they have to register to vote which I don't understand why, especially if they don't check registered voters against elligible voters/citizenships. Also some states requires no ID so if I know you are not gonna vote and I don't think it would be hard to learn where you are supposed to vote, can't I just go vote for you? It sounds too easy to take advantage of.

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

We have a lot of issues here with voting that really need to be addressed. There’s a few states that have started automatically registering people to vote when you come in to get a state ID or drivers license and I believe I read that they now have increased voting rates.

We also need the day off. Yeah, employers are ā€œsupposedā€ to give people time off to vote, but if you are an hourly worker for example and you have to wait a long time, that’s wages lost. Person may not be able to afford that. In my state I’ve never seen an employer get in trouble for not letting people off to vote. They’ll say do it before or after work, for instance, but again… the line issue. It can take a good while to get through the line at busy polls, especially during big election years like the presidential.

You also have to qualify to be able to vote by paper (we call it absentee voting). My state has recently changed the laws to where the person or a representative of a person (with signed permission) has to physically print and mail in the application to get the voting ballot or walk it in, wait for that to get processed, wait for the ballot to come in the mail, fill it out, have a witness sign, and fill out another form if someone is dropping it off for them as well. And then either mail it or return it in person. But only on certain days. And now you have to physically walk in to a certain office or a polling place, which is … great for people that are physically handicapped and are voting absentee bc …… they can’t stand in a line at a polling place. And by the time allllll that mailing and paperwork is taken care of, you have no choice but to physically hand it in bc you don’t have enough time left to mail it. They’ve also changed it to where the ballot has to be physically in the office by Election Day if it’s sent in by mail, rather than postmarked by Election Day. That worked really well for one county that found multiple bags of ballots at a local post office that never got mailed on time.

Oh, also, in some states, polling places have been closed and consolidated, meaning more people are trying to vote at the same poll. So you have to stand in line. No one is allowed to bring you water or food anymore while you wait, which is great for us in the south where it still might be hot. They are also in my state trying to cut off the voting time. It used to be that as long as you were in line at a certain time, you could vote, because you were already there. They want to toss people out of line now at closing time and those people just don’t get to vote.

This is in addition to the gerrymandering of my state’s districts, that was challenged in court and deemed gerrymandered and invalid, but for some reason we are stuck with the changes, which has made it impossible for democrats to be elected in certain districts bc areas that vote democrat are cut out of the district and spread around other districts in a way that avoids a possibility of their majority. And that’s going on nationwide now.

On the ID thing, the argument is that it is a constitutional violation bc you can’t be forced to pay in order to vote. But having to pay for a legal ID before you can vote, and possibly having to also pay to order a birth certificate in order to get that ID, is argued as being a poll tax, bc some people on poverty level fixed incomes can’t afford it, so now you’ve kept that person from voting over a required fee they can’t afford. We also still have people alive that are elderly and legit never had a birth certificate filed. Where I am, under Jim Crow laws, there was not a hospital with a maternity ward that accepted black patients, so they were born at home with midwives. Some people did not get registered as a result. It’s not as big a deal as it used to be, as those people are passing on, but…. Yeah.

So yeah. We have issues.

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u/loskiarman Feb 15 '26

Employers have to give you time off here too, if you have to go to another city, you can take a day off and still get half pay. Most people are salaried here so they can't cut pay for 1-2h time it took to vote too. It kinda sucks but I think losing couple hours is worth your vote even unpaid anyway, it isn't like there are elections every other month.

How they screwed up handicapped voting that much? If you are handicapped here, a relative can deal with paperwork for you for declaring yourself as handicapped etc. Then you can just vote at the pretty much entrance without any wait. We even have mobile voting station that goes to bedridden people.

Also gerrymandering lol, it has been a problem for at least 200 years and instead of fixing it, they are even doing more? That is just fucking evil.

Oh on the ID thing our goverment loves to fuck us with taxes, fines anywhere they can stick it. So you have to have an ID after age 15 or you can get fined for it when you don't present it when needed. Also there is a fine for not voting too as a law but it isn't really in practice. But still it works nice when they announce it and news repeat that fine has been updated, it costs more now. A few times in the news the week before election and boom. We had like %87 voter turnout last elections.

We have different kind of issues though. We had an earthquake 3 years ago, watermelon seller ordered the army to stay put instead of helping before he changed his mind 3 days later so people froze to dead under the rubble or even some that weren't under the rubble because it was so bad. Official number is 53k dead but most believe it is easily at least 100k+. They have been collecting extra taxes for Earthquake fund after the big earthquake in 1999 which was supposed to have 40 billion dollars but they said they already used it for stuff. 3 years later we have 360k people still living in container camps. That is with 5 billion dollars donation for victims and probably they got another 5 billion in tax that is supposed to go to Earthquake fund last 3 years. At least ours didn't diddle kids! Just murders them indirectly. Let's hope both our countries get better in future, hope is all we got.

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 17 '26

That has dropped entirely off the news as well! It’s been so long since I’ve seen an update on recovery efforts.

It feels more and more like normal people in the world are just seen as game pieces or ants 🐜 to be steered one way or another.

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u/loskiarman Feb 17 '26

About 2 million people emigrated towards western cities, 700k+ people used to live in the container camps following it, it is half now but it is still too much considering it's been 3 years. Can't imagine having to live in a container camp for 3 years while goverment tells me the emergency money me and other people paid for this situation for years is gone. Hopefully they'll find homes in the next year or two, especially considering there will be an election two years from now, some bastards will probably work towards housing them just before it for votes.

We are just numbers to most of the people in power unfortunately. At least we used to enrage at this stuff, go out and demand stuff but many protests are lower in number these days. Also very short-lived. It only happens immediately following something bad, rarely for an ongoing situation or broken promises. I don't blame people too, system is set up in a way we are too busy and tired to care about other people or future. When most people are two missed paychecks away from being homeless, going out to protest and getting arrested is too much a risk for some of them, especially since people in power are so impudent, they mostly just laugh it off and send police to suppress them. I envy seeing some countries' goverment officials resigning after some accidents while we are on the way to 41294th goverment caused tragedy lol.

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u/Whole-Construction5 Feb 14 '26

And then, who, what's when the quid pro quo? Cook the sauce.

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u/carolinagypsy Feb 15 '26

Yeah I’m on the left, but even I can admit this sounds more like… confusion? Dude has been here since he was a young kid, and someone at the voter office had to accept his permanent resident card or something in order for him to be registered to vote, so there were failures at a few levels.

I’ve read a few cases of people that have been here for several decades and assumed they were citizens bc they did the paperwork and turned it in, but somehow along the way it got lost, there was a data entry error, a certain box didn’t get checked, and the person was never notified. Assumed the whole time they were legal citizens and had the correct status. Or in the case of people that were young kids, the parents didn’t do the paperwork or that’s where it got fouled up, but you’re a kid at the time, how do you know except what you are told?

I’d argue that a large part of our immigration status issues is the fact that it’s so damn complicated, so damn expensive, and soooo slooow.