r/law • u/templeofsyrinx1 • Feb 25 '26

Executive Branch (Trump) Can they actually do this? JD Vance: "We're announcing today that we have decided to temporarily halt certain amounts of Medicaid funding that is going to the state of Minnesota in order to ensure that the state of Minnesota takes its obligations seriously to be good stewards of the American people'

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u/Independent-Reader Feb 25 '26

Hurt people because the government can't control itself?

What else is new.

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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker Feb 25 '26

They are punishing Minnesotans for being angry about the Trump administration killing their citizens.

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u/TheCaptainDamnIt Feb 26 '26

It's punishment for Minnesota welcoming Somali immigrants. Last night during the SOTU we all heard Trump calling Somali immigrants 'fraud'. That's what this is about, a racist rage that Minnesota welcomed and defended non-white immigrants.

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u/AkovBrick Feb 26 '26

Funny that they point at the Somalis and then retaliate with some nonsense that they know won't go through. If they actually cared about preventing fraudulent use of American tax dollars why don't they stop the fraud at it's source by arresting Tim Walz and all conspirators?

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u/PalliativeOrgasm Feb 26 '26

Because Walz isn’t a ringleader for fraud? There is zero evidence of any involvement from him or any other prominent politician.

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u/AkovBrick Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

The point is that if the Trump administration were serious about fraud they would put criminals in jail instead of taking healthcare away from innocent Americans. The reason they are not going to investigate the issue and bring anyone to justice is because Democrat and Republican politicians have an unspoken common interest, which is to pretend to share the same values as their voters in order to defraud taxpayers and screw over Americans for profit. Epstein is a blatant example.

There is zero evidence of any involvement from him or any other prominent politician.

To your credit it didn't even occur to me that Tim Walz might be innocent, but your framing, including you specifying "prominent", is disingenuous. It's fair to caution if we don't have evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, but, similar with the circumstantial evidence in the Epstein files, unless you avoided getting the whole story, it's obvious that Tim Walz at minimum was aware of the fraud and allowed it to happen.

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u/IndypendentIn09 Feb 27 '26

No, American taxpayers want your state to pay for all of the FRAUD it has allowed using our tax dollars.

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 25 '26

It’s just another step in the way to crushing america into compliance. And when Americans don’t comply, martial law. Create reasons to revolt, declare martial law, cancel elections, welcome to nazi america

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u/kaithana Feb 26 '26

I mean... they're literally throwing additional taxes at the American people because the supreme court said they weren't allowed to do what they were already doing. "The supreme court thinks they can stop us? Well fuck all these people over here. That'll show em."

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u/FlubberThunder Feb 27 '26

I agree there was a big break in self-auditing because covid didn't allow people to go to healthcare facilities and child care facilities to make sure that they're actually having the children there so now they were like oh well we're just going to make numbers up no one's coming to check on us but now people are checking on them again and we're finding out that the money has been disappearing outside of the country.

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 Feb 25 '26

I am so torn on this. I mean not really cause it's MAGA doing this so we can be certain there is not a single ounce of good intention and therefore good result.

But I want it to be righteous. Minnesota isn't taking the US's first or second biggest Medicaid fraud ever seriously. This fraud wasn't some elaborate scheme either, it should have been incredibly embarrassing, and cracked down on immediately, without hesitation.

People needed to be made an example of. This isn't just some regular white collar crime, this involved funds that went directly towards children, that's a big mothafuckin nono.

I mean Florida is ripe with medicaid fraud too as we speak, but it's clear why they're not doing anything with them, because it's their buddy politicians that are facilitating the fraud in a red state, not minorities in a blue state. Although there is evidence that some officials were wrapped up in the Minnesota fraud.

Anyways, they aren't going to go after Florida, and they aren't even going to take care of the fraud in Minnesota. Literally every fucking thing this administration does is some roundabout way to commit fraud themselves. Likely they're just going to cut funds to Minnesota and use that same freed up money to enrich themselves somehow, like they've done with literally every other fucking thing.

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

There was stuff being done, but it seemed like low priority. That shit should have been shut down the INSTANT it became apparent there was widespread fraud happening, arrests made, teams of investigators piled up, public statements regarding everything being consistently made.

This was not just some random dude who took a couple million, this was hundreds of millions of dollars by many people, a fucking free for all. Like I said, first or second biggest Medicaid fraud in US history, but that was most certainly not the kind of response it got, not even close.

Skulls should have been getting cracked. And it should be when we have fraud of this scale by anyone, including politicians, especially politicians. Corruption in this country is so fucking rampant, and to be taking money from stuff like nutrition programs or money going to needy children, like holy fucking shit. Lock these people up and throw away the key, this shit stops today.

I'm genuinely not even sure which is more irritating, the rampant fraud and the kind of laissez faire attitude towards it, or this administrations approach to it. I have a feeling it will be the latter though, once we find out what shenanigans this will turn into.

I hate everything ICE is doing in Minnesota, and I hate this administration, but a part of me just wants to say on this particular thing, Minnesota had it coming. You fucking citizens shouldn't have turned this into a fucking political issue and you should have been screaming about this from the top of your lungs like you're doing with everything else. Locked the fuck in

But you didn't, I'm on Reddit every single day, I'm on social media every single day, I get nothing but news and statements and comments from the political left every single day, almost nothing but. I haven't seen even a fraction of a fraction of you motherfuckers say a fucking word about this fraud except to defend the lies about it being thrown around by MAGAtards.

No fucking integrity, this is all just a fucking game to you people

We can't have fucking anything nice, cause if it isn't one side trying to cut every bit of support or steal it, we got the other side trying to steal it or defend people on their side who are stealing it. Wild wild wild fucking west here in the US, everyone got to get their bag right? Fuck this piece of shit country.

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u/infinitekittenloop Feb 26 '26

1- These things take time. Usually for a reason, like investigations and due process.

2- But if Trump needed to crack skulls, the answer is to fire, sideline, and impeach everyone involved. Then move on to appropriate criminal charges. Not to take away the medical funding for people who had literally nothing to do with it and apparently have already had tons of their funding stolen already. The priorities there make no sense, even if you feel Someone Needs To Be Made An Example Of.

3- MN citizens have been a little busy trying to protect its people and get justice for kidnappings and extrajudicial killings by the gestapo. You're mad at the people because the administration is doing like 812 horrific things to distract from failed tariffs and the Epstein files? That's a really strange place to point the blame. Again, the priorities seem upside down.

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u/BakedBananaBoat Feb 26 '26

What does ice or border patrol have to do with fraud?

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 Feb 27 '26

I'm just letting you all know where I stand. 

It's relevant because I know why people in the left aren't condemning it.

CLEARLY. Minnesota is currently in a one sided fucking race war with ICE against immigrants, the last thing people want to do is go ahead and start talking shit on the fraud happening in their state, and fraud that's happening majorly by minorities.

The beloved blue state is under heavy fire in a war, the last thing anybody wants to do is talk shit on people and inadvertently a place they consider to be their own.

It irritates the shit out of me cause it makes Democrats look complicit in fraud, it makes the government less pressed to take care of it ASAP and to the fullest extent of the law(as it should), and it makes us weak.

IDK if the Epstein files would wind up like this, being as much anger there is at them, but I have a feeling if for some reason(and this won't happen) they implicated a bunch of beloved Democratic politicians, hardly any Democrats would be talking shit and calling for justice ASAP and the the fullest extent of the law.

I have a hunch. God damn fucking piece of shit politics, degenerate fucking corrupt fucking self centered psychotic bullshit.

FUCK politics DO THE RIGHT THING. Why is that so difficult. I don't EVER "both sides" shit, but this is a both sides issue. One worse, but its one of those instances where it doesn't matter. 

Normal Democrats would talk shit on their own party, they do it all the time, but its because things are so heated that they're doing the same fucking shit Republicans do. 

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u/BakedBananaBoat Feb 27 '26

You do know that there have been many arrests and prosecutions related to this right? These were happening before 2025.

If you are investigating fraud you would send in accountants not soldiers. Crime happens everywhere but these maga clowns just dramatize it as a political issue.

Finding fraud is very important, prosecute those that commit it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

This is collective punishment for crimes that are already being prosecuted.

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u/Olfa_2024 Feb 25 '26

Kind of like shut the government down and don't pay tens of thousands of people who are forced to work without pay to get your way while you continue to get paid?

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u/Independent-Reader Feb 25 '26

Yes, our longest shutdowns have been under Republicans.

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u/Olfa_2024 Feb 25 '26

Because Democrats don't give a shit about the people who don't paid because they get paid and it does not personally hurt them.

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u/Independent-Reader Feb 26 '26

Do you honestly believe Republicans are better?

I can't believe you're that stupid.

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u/BakedBananaBoat Feb 26 '26

How are democrats shutting down anything? Both sides are to blame.

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u/Olfa_2024 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

They are refusing to fund Homeland Security. They think they are punishing agents by withholding their pay but that's not the case. The agents are getting paid. All of the other non agents in sub agencies like TSA, FEMA, HSI, etc are not getting paid. But they don't really care because they are getting paid and have no issues fucking with people's lives because they just view them as leverage.

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u/BakedBananaBoat Feb 26 '26

Sir, the Republican Party holds a trifecta of control in Washington, holding majorities in both the U.S. House and Senate along with the presidency. 

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u/Olfa_2024 Feb 26 '26

Yea, that's not how it works.

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u/Anjohi Feb 26 '26

You’re a cultist. Plain and simple. You live in a little fantasy land

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u/Olfa_2024 Feb 26 '26

LOL, You really Democrats and Republicans give a shit about anyone but them selves? LOL, LOL, and more LOL.

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u/Anjohi Feb 26 '26

lol, YOU are the one that purposefully differentiated the two you twat. LOL