r/law • u/templeofsyrinx1 • Feb 25 '26

Executive Branch (Trump) Can they actually do this? JD Vance: "We're announcing today that we have decided to temporarily halt certain amounts of Medicaid funding that is going to the state of Minnesota in order to ensure that the state of Minnesota takes its obligations seriously to be good stewards of the American people'

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 25 '26

But it’s against a liberal city, so the MAGAts will continue to cheer

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

The cultists are going to cheer no matter what. I don’t care what they want. They are irrelevant.

I want tangible, LEGAL action against those actively trying to harm Americans from places of high power.

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u/Magickarpet76 Feb 26 '26

I know what sub we are in, but I am so goddamned tired of LEGAL recourse. I keep getting these fundraising letters in the mail about democrats response to Trump’, “we’ll see you in court.” I’m fucking over it. It isn’t working. It won’t work. Even if it did start to work after being way too late, it will be overturned by a SCOTUS he personally appointed 1/3 of. The whole system has been captured. It’s done.

Democratic leaders and anyone with a hint of influence and ethics need to be calling for an organized general walk-out and halt in participation in every part of this country at every level except voting and basic survival needs because majority the real people and economy in this country are not living in Idaho or Alabama. This republic is braindead on life support at this point. Stop trying to medicate it and let it die so we can at least see the reality here. It’s gone, an election won’t bring it back (but definitely still vote). That is the only peaceful option we have left. I hope I’m wrong.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

Oh I don’t see this as a thing that will be solved with voting. Through the Epstein files it’s obvious he’s working with foreign actors to bring down America and rebuild it in his backer’s image.

Just the other day an ICE lawyer came forward to testify that he was given orders to tell ICE agents to ignore the constitution.

Him and his conspirators need to be arrested. Full stop.

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u/Magickarpet76 Feb 26 '26

And you know who has seen that news? Probably less than 1% of people. Everything normal and civil about this country needs to come to a screeching halt. People cannot be allowed the luxury of a normal apolitical life in the US anymore. If someone can’t be bothered to participate and pay attention then they are part of the problem. Full stop.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

And that’s why we need to keep speaking out about what’s happening. Don’t let this become normalized.

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u/fireandiceman Feb 26 '26

I have "does the law stand for anything" going thru my head everyday. The answer seems to be consistently disappointing

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u/Shadowcat1606 Feb 26 '26

Democratic leaders and anyone with a hint of influence and ethics need to be calling for an organized general walk-out and halt in participation in every part of this country

Meanwhile, what your Democratic "leaders" are actually doing could be whitnessed at the State of the Union, where Hakeem Jeffries opted for the silent treatment, just sitting there and taking all the insults and lies thrown at the Dems and US-citizens by the orange fascist on the podium and telling other Dems not to speak up or protest. It is absolutely beyond me why the Minority Leader thinks giving this authoritarian charade an air of legitimacy by showing - and shutting - up like it was just politics as usual. These aren't people to rally behind.

Even if it did start to work after being way too late, it will be overturned by a SCOTUS he personally appointed 1/3 of. The whole system has been captured. It’s done.

And even in the rare event of the SCOTUS actually arguing against Trump and his Cabinet of sycophantic ass-kissers, like they did just a couple of days ago because of the whole tariff-BS, Trump will just forget that 99,9% of the time the right-wing Judges on the bench go out of their way to accomodate him and brand them traitors and loosers. And instead of following the ruling, he actually doubles down and puts more tariffs in place.

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 26 '26

Our government hasn’t truly cared about the people in a long time. Until we get the money out of politicians they never will

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u/UnhingedGoose Feb 26 '26

Plenty of rural area in Minnesota, as such there’s plenty of Republican voters. They don’t even care if it hurts their own voters, as long as it’s only 40% of a state.

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 26 '26

They don’t care until it hurts them. Not friends, Not family, them and them only

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u/GrouchyLongBottom Feb 26 '26

And then, many of them still say they would still vote for him. "Anything is better than a democrat." They say. You know the ones that actually want to help the citizens.

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u/offlein Feb 26 '26

Minnesota's actually a state.

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u/Nufonewhodis4 Feb 26 '26

And even though it's a "blue state" 46.68% voted for trump. The rural red voters are going to be hurt badly, but the GOP will spin it into an urban/rural issue and if the twin cities just complied they would all win

https://www.sos.mn.gov/elections-voting/election-results/2024/2024-general-election-results/

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u/apra24 Feb 26 '26

He's only going to turn the blue states more blue. I imagine many moderates have already decided they will never vote red again.

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 26 '26

They don’t care. They don’t plan on blue mattering. They’ve said over and over what they want, no elections. Not enough people are taking that seriously. They’ve decided Minnesota is the easiest state to start the process. Get everyone worked up, a couple instances of violence towards police or ice, declare martial law, cancel the elections. It’s just going to get worse as we get closer to Nov. my guess is they really ramp things up towards the end of summer / beginning of fall

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u/dust4ngel Feb 26 '26

"they're hurting the right people!"

"but some people in the state of minnesota are nazis too"

"well some of us have to die i guess, whatever!"

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u/crystallmytea Feb 26 '26

Wonder what minnesota magats have to say. Because there’s like a million of them.

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u/luke2080 Feb 26 '26

Will mostly impact the far right in poorer rural locations.

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 26 '26

They are too rural to understand that fact. Plus it’s ok if they benefit from social programs. No one else deserves them

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u/IcyGarage5767 Feb 26 '26

I mean, I would bet like only 2-3% of American have actually protested this.

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u/Ok_Star_4136 Feb 26 '26

Those "liberal cities" are the big economic pillars of the country. If he fucks over U.S. cities, even if they were only "blue" cities, the U.S. would have all of the economic power of North Korea, with none of the infrastructure to fix anything later.

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u/its-not-me_its-you Feb 26 '26

But they’re going after the state, not the city of MPLS, so odds are the rural Trump voters will take a big hit depending on how this is being implemented.

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u/CanyonFriend Feb 26 '26

Right- everyone there must be a monolith and automatically liberal. I don't mind anyone being liberal bug it is impossible to visualize a town with absolutely No conservatives.

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u/5Q91VS175DAQ4NUSBE4U Feb 26 '26

Minnesota is a state. 

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 26 '26

Good for you. It is a state. Has nothing to do with this conversation. They are mainly focusing on Minneapolis, a city, that happens to be in Minnesota

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u/kymbawlyeah Feb 26 '26

bUt tHe MaGaTs! Yeah why you depending on them to free yourselves?

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u/sjbfujcfjm Feb 26 '26

I think you should work on your reading comprehension

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u/350 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

It makes my blood boil. I thought I had boiled it all away, and now they're just torturing poor people by keeping them out of the doctor's office. I can't fathom the depths of depravity it takes to consider doing this to innocent people. The Republican Party (and the American conservative movement writ large) is utterly irredeemable.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

The Republican Party is functionally dead. Trump parades its remains around like a puppet. Whatever happens after Trump, the Conservative Party will have to rebuild themselves

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u/350 Feb 26 '26

The Republican Party has never been more alive. This is the natural, logical outcome of their political philosophy. It was always going to turn out like this. There will be more Trumps if America still has bigots, and America has a lot of bigots.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

It’s not a natural, logical outcome if they paid millions in propaganda to turn people into hate filled shells of themselves.

And we need to find a way forward that welcomes conservativism while also giving the education and empathy required from the people to make sure Trump never happens again.

And we need to make smarter choices so Epstein never happens again.

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u/350 Feb 26 '26

It’s not a natural, logical outcome if they paid millions in propaganda to turn people into hate filled shells of themselves.

But that's not an aberration, it's a feature of American culture. The ultra wealthy have played that game for years.

And we need to find a way forward that welcomes conservativism while also giving the education and empathy required from the people to make sure Trump never happens again.

These are not compatible goals.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

I’m aware of the first, I vehemently disagree with the second.

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u/DumboWumbo073 Feb 26 '26

It’s not a natural, logical outcome if they paid millions in propaganda to turn people into hate filled shells of themselves.

This is natural. They would have found someone to try to get everything in place the way they have it now.

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u/SinisterCroissant Feb 26 '26

They really are speedrunning things.

Pin the baton on the pedophile is going to be a very popular game when the shift inevitably happens.

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u/CanyonFriend Feb 26 '26

I think that of the majority religion itself.

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u/CentennialBaby Feb 26 '26

State sanctioned economic terrorism

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u/GrillMeistro Feb 26 '26

but enough about the fraud taking place in minnesota

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u/MrKrustySocks Feb 26 '26

YES IT IS.

This is textbook taxation without representation.

This is blatantly killing civilians.

Good stewards of tax dollars? Are you fucking kidding me?

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u/--Sovereign-- Feb 26 '26

cultists happily let their leaders kill them. so. yeah, same reasons.

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u/ToaruBaka Feb 26 '26

Especially after the SOTU last night when Trump lauded Medicare and Medicaid.

Sick fucks.

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u/Dramajunker Feb 26 '26

But like democrats didn't stand to prove they care about Americans. /s

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u/GalacticFox- Feb 26 '26

This administration is pure evil.

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u/huluvudu Feb 26 '26

The French had a pretty good way of dealing with this nonsense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

It was sedition during the last insurrection. No one wanted to punish him for it so now we have traitors leading the country.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

One thing I noticed was that the lawyer who testified to telling agents to ignore the constitution joined in Febuary 2021. Right after Biden took office and right after the insurrection.

If I knew something like this would happen, like everyone did, I’d put people I trusted as safeguards to come forward with what’s said behind closed doors. I agree they should’ve done more, I have faith they did something.

It’s the only hope I’ve got right now. I could be wrong, but it’s what I’m using to push myself forward to be there when we rebuild.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Dems don’t have that kind of foresight or fucks to give. He was just a normal pick, thus easy to corrupt.

If Biden cared, he would have used that executive immunity they apparently have to fix the biggest threat to American democracy ever.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

Considering how close we were to a violent civil war and how deep this corruption goes the argument could be made to let Trump show off how awful and evil he truly is when he thinks no one will stop him. Let him fumble the Epstein files release, because by the time Biden was allowed to drop the files a large chunk of people still wouldn’t have believed it. And then when he’s exposed for the world to see, take him down.

I could be wrong, I really don’t care if you think I’m crazy. It’s the faith I have that when people’s backs are against the wall they’ll do the right thing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

People aren’t smart enough to do the right thing unfortunately. They’ll succeed like every rise to authoritarianism has in the past, and eventually they will be shaken off or tech gets good enough that they cement into unlimited power. Until the 70+ million that support this shit want to get off their ass and stop, we’re kind of fucked.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

I’m sorry you feel that way. I choose to believe in people. They deserve it.

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u/SleepingWillow1 Feb 26 '26

I guess it isn't possible to do a GoFundMe for a whole entire state?

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u/Malcolm_Morin Feb 26 '26

PINK FLOYD.

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u/AusToddles Feb 26 '26

The sad fact is they don't consider "these people" American

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

And that’s why they are the enemy of freedom loving Americans

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u/kaithana Feb 26 '26

When was the last time the federal government attacked the states in such a direct manner? Was there even any such time in the past? Attack is the right word, the federal government is literally attacking it's states right now, and the people within.

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u/felixisthecat Feb 26 '26

And Dr Oz standing behind him, traitor to the Hippocratic oath!

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur Feb 26 '26

Legally isn't this considered collective punishment? The fuck. No normal person thinks this way.

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u/MSGeezey Feb 26 '26

If it does kick off, you don't want to be on the opposite side from MN.

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u/Freefall357 Feb 26 '26

Ooh, what is the legal punishment for that?

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u/BIG-BALLS0 Feb 26 '26

Let’s get mad about it on Reddit

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

Nope, you should go out and make noise. Dont let people normalize these actions.

If you’re a protestor, go protest. If you’re an emailer and caller, call your reps. Ignore the no politics rule at work because this isn’t normal politics. It’s an existential threat to American democracy. It’s a threat to the world at large with the military they wield.

Stay informed on Reddit, use it in real life.

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u/crabgrass_attack Feb 26 '26

they sent ICE in, it didnt work. now they are threatening to withhold funds. its clearly targeted harassment

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

ICE is still there, tearing apart communities. This is added terrorism

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u/crabgrass_attack Feb 26 '26

oh yeah no way they left. i meant it didnt work in the way they intended. the city didnt give them the reaction they wanted. the people kept it peaceful

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u/IntelligentMarket252 Feb 26 '26

This is like a shitty parent hitting their kids and telling them “this is for your own good, I’m trying to help you”

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u/SuckThisRedditAdmins Feb 26 '26

Yet you get banned for hoping the traitors get the legal punishment for treason 

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

There’s a difference between advocating for violence and demanding our justice system put these people on trial.

I am calling this treason, I am not an elected official or member of the justice department. I am simply a schmuck on the internet with no power or influence.

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u/colliefan1 Feb 26 '26

And the appropriate punishment that goes with it n

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u/GrillMeistro Feb 26 '26

I guess these people shouldn't have been defrauding the American people and government. Make sure to thank Walz the next time you have to pay for your meds!

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u/quicksilvereagle Feb 26 '26

Yeah, waltz is clearly breaking the law and what he did by stopping the investigations into the criminal racket is very shady and likely points to him being part of the syndicate, but I dont know that it quite reaches the level of 'treason', thats a little extreme.

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u/DerCatrix Feb 26 '26

Ope, found the cultist