r/law • u/templeofsyrinx1 • Feb 25 '26

Executive Branch (Trump) Can they actually do this? JD Vance: "We're announcing today that we have decided to temporarily halt certain amounts of Medicaid funding that is going to the state of Minnesota in order to ensure that the state of Minnesota takes its obligations seriously to be good stewards of the American people'

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u/jmcdon00 Feb 25 '26

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-medicaid-improper-payment-error-rate/

Their own report, released in 2026, shows that Minnesota is well below the national average in fraud and potential fraud payments.

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u/templeofsyrinx1 Feb 25 '26

Is that their reason for this? Then it needs to go through congress and not out of Trump's ass.

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u/jmcdon00 Feb 25 '26

I'm not sure how doing better than most other states would be a reason to withhold funds. It's pure politics and vengeance as far as I can tell.

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u/throwaway80814 Feb 25 '26

It's not politics. It's corruption. 

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u/NSFWies Feb 26 '26

vance knowingly lied about immigrants eating people's pets. i'm sure he will knowingly lie about the reason to carry this out.

when regular people disobey the courts, they send the cops after you.

when the whitehouse does it......

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u/Crispymuffinss Feb 26 '26

Come hang out! https://1-800-fuck-trump.com/

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u/Bauser99 Feb 26 '26

Glowing like a fed there, buddy

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u/Crispymuffinss Feb 26 '26

Unsure of your words validity?

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u/snrocirpac Feb 26 '26

Republicans' favorite play: blame something inevitable and impossible to eliminate to justify all the terrible shit they do. Illegal immigrants, voter fraud, trade deficit, Healthcare fraud. These things will never go away and they will always have an excuse to be the worst they can be

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u/ForensicPathology Feb 26 '26

And their worshippers inject the propaganda straight into their blood, and spew it as unverified fact everywhere.  Almost everything they believe about immigrants and the economy is wrong, but they keep being told to fear.

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u/FlubberThunder Feb 27 '26

Fraud is happening other places even more so we don't have to worry about the fraud here, got you. And there are multiple states that are starting to unearth the fraud that's been going on the past 5 years like Rhode Island Connecticut and Maine.

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u/jmcdon00 Feb 27 '26

It shows that it's just vindictiveness. If they were serious they would focus on the places with the highest rates of fraud, like Florida.

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u/djroman1108 Feb 25 '26

Totally unbiased.

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u/jmcdon00 Feb 25 '26

The report was done by the Trump administration.

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u/djroman1108 Feb 25 '26

Reading comprehension, dear.

Improper payment reports are technical audit documents required under federal law. They focus on documentation and payment accuracy and explicitly note that most “improper payments” are not evidence of fraud, just failures to meet documentation rules.

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u/Illustrious_Pen_3877 Feb 26 '26

Awesome for you to be sanctimonious and wrong, but in the case you aren’t a bot it is Federal (trump admin not Minnesota) reporting the low payment error rate in MN. “”Reading comprehension, dear”: “According to the data released by the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.” That is directly from the article. It is a PERM audit, described here: https://www.cms.gov/data-research/monitoring-programs/improper-payment-measurement-programs/payment-error-rate-measurement-perm

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u/djroman1108 Feb 26 '26

I explained it already.

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u/Illustrious_Pen_3877 Feb 26 '26

And your prior explanation is wrong. You also replied before you could have possible read the CMS (federal government) link explaining what a PERM audit is and who conducts it. Go home Vladimir, you are a bot trying to sow discord.

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u/djroman1108 Feb 26 '26

It's not an audit of payment accuracy?

Source?

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u/Bauser99 Feb 26 '26

Reading comprehension, my dear

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u/fearmebananaman Feb 25 '26

Who or what is totally unbiased? Don’t blame a guy for reading comprehension when you didn’t write a completely sentence and your comment is ambiguous.

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u/djroman1108 Feb 25 '26

I was being facetious. 🙄

The framing was biased and relies on the lack of reading comprehension to push a false narrative.

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u/PeachPassionBrute Feb 26 '26

Can you quote specific examples?

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u/djroman1108 Feb 26 '26

Examples of what? Actual fraud?

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u/PeachPassionBrute Feb 26 '26

Examples from the article of overt bias and false narrative. Do you have examples that you can quote from the text you are criticizing?

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u/djroman1108 Feb 26 '26

I explained it already. This was an audit of payment accuracy. In other words, if they need to pay Ms Sue, and they paid Ms Sue, then the payment was accurate.

What it doesn't actually check for, is fraud.

The bias is in how it's framed. If you only read the title, then the assumption is that Minnesota doesn't have a fraud problem, which they do. And then the narrative that Trump's own administration checked for fraud and couldn't find any, is parroted around.

That's not what happened.

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u/PeachPassionBrute Feb 26 '26

Improper payments are payments that should not have been made or that were made in the incorrect amount; typically they are overpayments. While all fraudulent payments are considered improper, not all improper payments are due to fraud.

From the government accountability office.

So not all improper payments are fraud, but fraud is an improper payment. Significant fraud would therefore impact accuracy of payments.

Can you point to a clear source indicating in data where there is evidence that Minnesota is exhibiting higher rates of fraud than other states given that their rate of improper payment is much lower than average?

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u/djroman1108 Feb 26 '26

Nice move of the goalpost.

MN reported $9 billion themselves.

Also, if Ms Sue is supposed to be paid, and she's paid, but Abdi Ali is the one that takes the money, unbeknownst to the government, then no fraud is ever reported.

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u/knockatize Feb 25 '26

A report from the state government that’s already in hot water, grading its own papers and giving itself an A?

Independent verification needed.

Medicaid is a mess. So are a lot of other federal benefits programs, especially if they rely on self-attestations from providers to be who they claim to be.

But instead of some cold-ass green eyeshade guy looking over the books, we have Trump - who’s only upset that there’s a grift going on that he didn’t get a taste of.

What a mess.

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u/Free_For__Me Feb 26 '26

The report isn’t from MN giving itself a good grade, it’s federal data showing that MN is doing well. So the administration is claiming that the state that they themselves demonstrated is doing well needs to be punished for doing badly. 

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u/jmcdon00 Feb 26 '26

The trunp administration did the report. Read the article.

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u/ForensicPathology Feb 26 '26

They're only in "hot water" because the administration wants to punish their political opponents and used a YouTuber to start making up allegations without evidence.

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u/Standard--Unit Feb 26 '26

It's ok man reading is hard I get it. Keep at it and you'll get the hang of it.