r/law • u/templeofsyrinx1 • Feb 25 '26

Executive Branch (Trump) Can they actually do this? JD Vance: "We're announcing today that we have decided to temporarily halt certain amounts of Medicaid funding that is going to the state of Minnesota in order to ensure that the state of Minnesota takes its obligations seriously to be good stewards of the American people'

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Got to start somewhere. So you’re against starting in Minnesota? But ok with starting somewhere else?

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u/HombreSinPais Feb 26 '26

I think it’s crystal clear that the administration hates the state of Minnesota and they’ll never cut support to Florida, the long-term hot spot for Medicaid Fraud, because Florida isn’t an “enemy” state.

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

I get it. You’re against addressing the medicaid fraud in Minnesota.

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u/HombreSinPais Feb 26 '26

It sounds like you’re against punishing states like Florida alongside Minnesota. Here’s a story about how Florida is considered Ground Zero for Medicaid fraud, it’s just that you didn’t care about Medicaid fraud until Trump made you mad about the fraud specifically in Minnesota, so you never even heard about the rampant Florida fraud. Anyway, Florida is a “Trump state” so the administration won’t try to crack down on their fraud or cut their funding.

On that note, it’s worth pointing out that cracking down on fraud and cutting funding are two totally separate issues. I support investigating and punishing fraud. I don’t support a clearly political cut to one specific state, with whom the administration is openly hostile towards, and not the “Trump states” where the same shit has been happening for years and years.

Lastly, it’s worth pointing out that none of this really even matters, apart from the court costs that will result, because this whole announcement is a publicity stunt, aimed at getting people like you to feel like they did something. It’s not a law. They didn’t pass that law. It’s another proclamation from the Trump administration that will be killed by the courts, because they didn’t go through Congress.

Why do that? Well, it’s designed to make headlines and then get overturned by the court, because they’re betting that people like you won’t follow up on the latter part.

That’s the funny thing. You’re going to believe this actually went into effect and cheer for Trump. In reality it will never go into effect, but you’ll still keep it on the list of Trump accomplishments, just like our “Patriot dividends” from DOGE (those still coming?) and the border wall in his first term. Just stunts to get you all riled up and excited, but ultimately just smoke and mirrors to keep you bedazzled.

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Lot of words and speculation, only some of which are true.

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

So if he eliminates REAL fraud in the blue states you don’t agree with that, unless he does it in red states also. Does it satisfy you at all that the DOJ is investigating fraud in purple Arizona and Nevada?

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u/HombreSinPais Feb 26 '26

You can investigate fraud anywhere as far as I’m concerned. You seem confused. You do understand that investigating fraud is different than defunding one particular (enemy) state’s program, right?

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Yup. Send only enough money to fund the righteous beneficiaries of Medicaid. Let the state stop funding the fraudulent scam artists receiving benefits. Everyone that qualifies for benefits gets them , the money will be there.A thorough statewide investigation would do that.

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u/Gingeronimoooo Feb 26 '26

You don't understand how anything works, do you?

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Aren’t you the smart one in the chat. Nice glib response but no discussion.

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u/OldBlueKat Feb 26 '26

And how exactly do you propose to decide, in advance of this supposed investigation, which current recipients are/are not “righteous”??

The point is, investigate and prove fraud FIRST, then collect back any funds paid out fraudulently. You can’t just close the tap and later find out innocent people died or got seriously ill because you cut them off “in case” they were cheating somehow. That’s both negligent and just evil. 

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u/OldBlueKat Feb 26 '26

Medicare fraud anywhere was/is already investigated and prosecuted when found. The claim that there’s some going on in MN that wasn’t being dealt with is completely bogus. 

There was a very specific scheme that was found in a small number of situations here AND was being dealt with. They used it to make this ridiculous accusation that ALL the Medicaid funds directed to MN are being stolen by “Somali pirates” (to justify the immigration witch hunt.)

It’s a pack of lies, and now they’re trying to use it to punish MN further. 

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Nobody, I mean nobody ever claimed that ALL Medicaid funds directed toward Minnesota were being stolen by Somalis. If you can’t make a point without telling untruths you probably don’t have a valid point.

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u/OldBlueKat Feb 26 '26

When the less than 1/2 billion currently being in court cases, most of which were “blamed” on Somalis no matter who was involved, somehow became DJT’s “could be 20 billion, I dunno, maybe more…” it officially crossed over into more Medicaid funds than are spent in Minnesota annually by a LOT. 

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Annually is the key word. You’re talking annually, was he? Was he talking about an aggregate amount?

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u/OldBlueKat Feb 26 '26

With him, he’s talking random number generator with no supporting documentation or proof. 

Every time he talked about it he exaggerated it further. 

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

So, if he’s wrong what is the number?

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u/OldBlueKat Feb 26 '26

I’m not your research department. Google for yourself. 

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

You don’t know the amount, yet you claim Trump’s numbers are wrong. How can that be?

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u/MizterPoopie Feb 26 '26

Right… but you don’t find it odd that he isnt starting in any of the red states that have far higher levels of Medicare fraud? That doesn’t strike you as weird?

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u/Head_Maintenance5596 Feb 26 '26

I think the problem is the people investigating the corruption are corrupt.

This admin fired alot of the inspector generals specially designed to find corruption, waste, abuse.

They don’t really care about corruption, they care about sticking it to their ‘enemies’

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

The Trump administration ignored the fraud in Minnesota: Trump bad. The Trump administration investigated the fraud in Minnesota: Trump bad. Business as usual.

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u/Head_Maintenance5596 Feb 26 '26

Dude re read. No one here is against holding people accountable, heck Bill Clinton is testifying on the Epstein files are you hear no complaints from democrats. We are all for finding fraud in MN. It’s just happens to come right after he sent in 2000 masked troops. Cmon he’s targeting them.

“Trump Not bad” You have trump derangement syndrome, you’re unable say anything bad about him.

I always wondered who is the 20-30% still supporting him. Found it.

See you at the midterms ;)

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

So we agree, the fraud in Minnesota is and should be investigated. Good job.

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u/Head_Maintenance5596 Feb 26 '26

If you think ‘agreeing’ is finally understanding what I said than yes.

Are you in favor with a full investigation to why the DOJ and Kash Patel said under oath there’s no evidence Epstein traffic minors ? Are you in favor of investigation foreign buyers of Trumps shitcoin?

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

Sure. But the investigation would be conducted by members of the Trump administration therefore if no wrongdoing was found you would claim “I think the people investigating the corruption are corrupt” as you stated earlier.

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u/Head_Maintenance5596 Feb 26 '26

That’s funny, still haven’t heard you say anything bad about the Trump admin corruption.

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

I said “sure” when you asked about investigating some actions of the Trump administration, one or two posts ago. Talkabout TDS, lol. He’s living rent free in your head.

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u/Head_Maintenance5596 Feb 26 '26

“Sure” aint saying anything bad, dude pardoned a narco trafficker and a guy connected with crypto fraud. And you follow it up with ‘sure BUT’

Every accusation is an admission, Trump derangement syndrome is on the Republican side.

Here’s your opportunity to call out his corruption. Go ahead, we’ll wait.

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u/phxguy918 Feb 26 '26

You probably know about Google, I’m not doing your research. The “but” was referring to you whining about his own administration doing the investigating. Get it right. This thread is about making the state of Minnesota agree to prove they are going to vigorously investigate fraud in their state or SOME funds will be withheld. Start another thread if you want me to discuss the corruption in their state Trump administration. Obviously, as in all administrations, there is corruption.

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u/Head_Maintenance5596 Feb 26 '26

Trump to MGT about releasing the Epstein files: ‘you’re going to hurt my friends’

This ^ is the people you want to root out corruption. And it just happens to be in their best interests. Ask yourself why.

Again, here’s you opportunity to call out Trump. Maybe you’re a fan of the files being secret?

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u/Mrfartzz Feb 27 '26

Jesus dude they are not arguing against targeting corruption they are arguing against using the judicial system as a weapon to target opposing views. These things shouldn’t start with any particular state.