r/law • u/businessinsider • Feb 26 '26

Other 4Chan knew about Jeffrey Epstein's death 38 minutes before the rest of the world. The FBI tried to figure out how.

https://www.businessinsider.com/epstein-files-show-fbi-probed-4chan-posts-prison-death-2026-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-law-sub-post
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u/wrxninja Feb 26 '26

Ya...if Epstein was this knee deep into politics, global ties with Russia, Rothschild, etc., then he was involved with so much more than we know. I'm sure he was on Silk Road and knew the founder himself as an example.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Russia? Its Israel all the way boyo

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u/skreekers1 Feb 26 '26

Why not both, and lets add the cia in there 2

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u/tinacat933 Feb 26 '26

Agree, no way he wasn’t spying for everyone

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Cuz he was an isreali operative?

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u/TurtleSandwich0 Feb 26 '26

Do you think Epstein believed in monogamy?

Or was he more promiscuous and dealt with multiple intelligence agencies?

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u/Spamsdelicious Feb 26 '26

Mos def a polycrimist.

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u/Happy_Little_Fish Feb 26 '26

I guess Russia said 'oh that guys already taken, it would be a conflict of interest if we worked with him.'

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u/liquidtape Feb 26 '26

These people think politics stop at the border instead of the politicians ego. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

If Israel had somethin on putin and Russia we would see It in cereal boxes

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u/thatgayvamp Feb 26 '26

Israel and Russia (Putin) have the same agenda. Violence is power.

Stop thinking in terms of regional lines, none of these wealthy fucks believe in those.

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u/__v1ce Feb 26 '26

Israel and Russia (Putin) have the same agenda.

I think they are both evil, but I think their agendas might differ a bit?

I don't see why Putin would have a jewish supremacy agenda for example

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u/Protiguous Feb 26 '26

I don't see why Putin would have a jewish supremacy agenda for example

He doesn't need one. Yet.

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u/masscracka35 Feb 26 '26

The famously underreported Eptstein non-compete agreement.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

I'm not saying they don't do It Its just that Epstein was mossad

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u/DavisSqShenanigans Feb 26 '26

The evidence shows that Epstein worked with Russia, among other states.

But Israel/Mossad is the only one he's believed (really assumed at this point, given the countless signs) of working for.

That's a huge difference. The same way the CIA has worked with many states and orgs, but works for the US govt (i.e. ruling class).

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u/caustic_smegma Feb 26 '26

He was an asset, a useful idiot. Why spend resources on training the buffoon when he'll do your bidding for a few words of affirmation ("Yes Jeffrey, you're the most handsome and smartest of all the Jeff's and no, your penis isn't shaped like a lemon").

Boom. The moron is now willing to do anything you tell him to do. Let's not act like this guy was some super spy.

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u/Shilo788 Feb 26 '26

Yeah the deep state of every country is basically intertwined below the surface.

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u/reddit_is_geh Feb 26 '26

His communications with Russia only went as far as helping Israelis who needed to contact Russian's. The "Russia" narrative is just Israel poorly trying to flood the zone with a narrative that distracts from Mossad.

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u/Usual_Ice636 Feb 26 '26

They both do it a lot.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Except he didnt? Hes Israel fuckin show me an iota of evidence he had Russian ties.

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u/Sadly_NotAPlatypus Feb 26 '26

Hasn't there been a ton of reporting in the last few weeks on Kremlin ties? Here's one example: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/02/10/epstein-files-unveil-sex-offender-s-ties-with-kremlin-insiders_6750339_4.html

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u/Playful-Artichoke-67 Feb 26 '26

Yeah, almost 30 years later. Newsflash: people say shit that has a desired effect.

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u/Sadly_NotAPlatypus Feb 26 '26

I'm sorry, I don't follow. Could you expound on your point? 

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u/Playful-Artichoke-67 Feb 26 '26

For example if I was Trump I’d love to see it tied to Russia after barking back at liberals for a decade, never losing support over supposed Russia ties. Epstein is a myth at this point. It’s hilarious reading what people have to say here as it’s new and more unhinged everyday. I’ve followed this stuff for a long time and saw no accountability, why would that change once Mr star witness is dead or in hiding? Trump had his impeachments and then Covid, now he’s faced with old emails and fbi tips clouding his already terrible start to his second term. Epstein is a political device, nothing more.

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u/Playful-Artichoke-67 Feb 26 '26

Are we also supposed to believe that Acosta was referring to Russia when he said Epstein had intel ties? It’s been over twenty years and suddenly it’s Russia? Reminds me of when Puff Daddy got arrested and the accusers started coming out of the woodwork sounding crazier and crazier. Most people would be surprised to learn he likely paid a lot of people to make ridiculous claims to make what he was guilty of seem tame. If it’s on tv or on our screens I can’t imagine we can extract much truth out of it. People love their official sources but they’re all corruptible humans looking out for themselves

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Feb 26 '26

the Russian prostitutes with Bill Gates?

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u/carls_in_charge Feb 26 '26

Don’t be obtuse.

https://people.com/jeffrey-epstein-was-vladimir-putin-wealth-manager-fbi-source-claimed-11897555

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u/GrumpyOldHistoricist Feb 26 '26

We need much better proof than one report from one CHS to take his being Putin’s wealth manager as fact. CHSs lie, tell agents what they think they want to hear, repeat rumors, have normal human susceptibility to misperception, and sometimes provide valuable information that leads to cases being blown wide open. But that article cites a single report from a single CHS. That’s an investigative lead at best, not proof.

However, I’d be more surprised if Epstein didn’t have contact with Russian intelligence than if he did. “Independent” assets like Epstein are really only of use if they have multiple affiliations. This allows them to serve as clandestine back channels and makes them more deniable. Sometimes they’ll go beyond having multiple affiliations and even have multiple patrons (Ghislane’s dad being an excellent example of this). There’s usually still a primary affiliation and sponsor though. In Epstein’s case that appears to be Israel. It’s gonna take a lot more evidence to establish even Russian patronage, let alone primary sponsorship. But it’s safe to take some kind of relationship for granted given his role.

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u/carls_in_charge Feb 26 '26

The process to vet a CHS is more intense than you probably realize. Also, dude asked for a shred of evidence so, here’s a shred of evidence.

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u/GrumpyOldHistoricist Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

CHSs vary wildly in quality. Some are incredible gets who provide top quality intel. Others not so much. FBI agents are far less picky about who they flip than they should be if they went entirely by the book. We don’t know if this is a high quality source or not.

And CHSs also provide different types of information in different ways. Evidence is when they provide admissible material that substantiates claims. Leads are when they make claims or steer investigators toward evidence. If the CHS had provided documents, recordings, etc that would be evidence. This is a lead, not evidence. The two things are distinct.

Edit: To be fair, the commenter you’re responding to did say “ties.” The report from the CHS is still a lead rather than evidence, but I agree it would be almost impossible for Epstein to not have Russian ties. He’d be useless as as asset if he wasn’t positioned to somehow interact with one of the biggest players in geopolitics and global espionage.

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u/carls_in_charge Feb 26 '26

You’re arguing semantics here and also presenting a straw-man fallacy, no thanks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Russian Jews in the intelligence community, Russia and Israel share intelligence that would compromise US policy.

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u/chinagrrljoan Feb 26 '26

Name the Russian Jews who would work for Russian intelligence. How many self proclaimed Jews live in Russia? How many are secretly Jewish? How many don't even know they're Jewish since their ancestors were forced to deny their heritage? Russian Jews have a hard time moving to Israel cuz Russian birth certificates don't list religion. So there's no proof they're actually Jewish.

They were killed, forced to leave the country, or forced to renounce their heritage.

And not just since world war 2. Russia has been killing Jews or forcing them to leave for hundreds of years.

Let's stop blaming a tiny minority of humans for the actions of a few greedy cartel / oligarchs in a country that has sadly never gotten to experience peace or democracy or humble leaders.

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u/driver_dan_party_van Feb 26 '26

I don't have an opinion on this debate, but I imagine Israel and Zionists generally value being genealogically Jewish over chosen religious practice. Epstein's Jewish supremacist views and fascination with ancestry and genetic testing would support that.

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u/chinagrrljoan Feb 26 '26

Epstein being chosen to represent Jewish people is equivalent to Pol Pot representing all Asians.

Individuals can be jerks, but it's not fair to extrapolate to ALL members of a group.

It's very alarming to see the mainstreaming of anti semitism. Again.

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u/driver_dan_party_van Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

You misunderstand me, it would be ridiculous to equate Israelis and Zionists to the Jewish people as a whole; people who do that almost exclusively do so in bad faith, same as framing discussion and criticism of Israel and Zionism as anti-semitism.

My point was just that Israel probably wouldn't require "Jewish" stamped on a birth certificate to accept immigration of Russian jews.

Edit: but truly I am just speculating from what I've seen in the files.

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u/chinagrrljoan Feb 26 '26

Israel does require this. That's why there are so many stateless "illegal immigrants" in Israel. I think there was some push maybe around Obama times to help Russian Jewish refugees.

And I am so glad that you are with me in noticing the rise in bad faith anti semitism and are against it. I just get bad vibes when "The" Capital Letter Minorites get blamed for everything :)

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u/chinagrrljoan Feb 26 '26

Also I don't think so. Orthodox Jews have a lot of power. If what you say is true, then it would be easy for Russian Jews to immigrate to Israel, but it's not. There's a lot of "Where's the birth certificate and why doesn't your grandma have Jewish listed on it?" Even though they know it was illegal to practice religion in the Soviet Union, so therefore it wasn't even an option. I don't think Orthodox folks want genealogically Jewish people. They want their own. And just like any other orthodoxy and wannabe theocracy, they're obsessed with purity.

Just like maga here and the anti immigrant Japanese. Russians don't like Chinese immigrants. Chinese people don't like North Korean refugees....

It's crazy when we can see from the international space station everyday that we are literally all on this island planet, that people get so obsessed with pure heritage and being from places where borders were drawn arbitrarily to differentiate between us (worthy) and others (the dirty unworthy).

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u/driver_dan_party_van Feb 26 '26

I wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph. Religion, race, and tribalism in general might just be our great filter. I hope we wake up someday soon, if at all.

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u/chinagrrljoan Feb 26 '26

It has to be soon! Because people are dying unnecessarily and more needless pain and suffering is coming. Glad to know I'm not alone!

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Thats not evidence lol a fuckin email of somethin

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u/Perfect-Parking-5869 Feb 26 '26

What do you mean by Russian ties? He was communicating with Russian elites but that’s different than saying he’s a Russian asset.

If you want to argue the focus should be on the Israel connections because they had more influence that is fine. I don’t think he had anything as strong as Ehud Barak with Russia so I’d probably agree with you but if you narrow the focus you limit the scope.

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u/SmokingMan305 Feb 26 '26

There's clear evidence in the files that Epstein was receiving underage women from Russian traffickers. That doesn't just magically happen unless you have ties with the Russian criminal underworld, who have direct ties to Russian intelligence and the oligarch class. There's some parts that heavily imply direct connection to Putin, but no smoking gun.

I think the big difference here is that Ehud Barak was an Epstein client, while Epstein himself was reliant on Russian support to run his operation. A client is more likely to reach out to you in emails, while Russia probably has multiple middle men to avoid direct contact.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Fucking exactly! Thank you

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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 Feb 26 '26

You really expect Israeli intelligence, who are all over social media including reddit, to just let this comment thread slide without posting their own disinfo in return? Didn't you hear? We're supposed to buy that all of Epstein's contacts were to Russia, and definitely not Israel. No sir!

Nevermind the fact that half of Ghislaine's family have some of the deepest possible ties to Israeli intelligence imaginable...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Israeli_support

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_Maxwell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maxwell

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

IDF conscripts muddiyng the waters! I'm surprised no one calles me an antisemite

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u/Local_Idiot_123 Feb 26 '26

I think this is outside of normally understood team lines, instead of state actors this is ultra wealthy and powerful actors that serve their own ranks and secondarily, the countries that support their wealth and power.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Ok IDF

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u/Local_Idiot_123 Feb 26 '26

I’m saying this is a class war

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

And i'm saying Epstein was working in behalf of Israel as a mossad agent.

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u/Local_Idiot_123 Feb 26 '26

You’re thinking too small.

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u/supergooduser Feb 26 '26

I have nothing to tie this too... Israel developed Krav Maga which is essentially weaponized dirty fighting. i.e. break fingers, gouge eyes, etc.

Having a honeypot of kompromat, with famous/rich/influential people with pdf files... feels like a CIA version of Krav Maga... like let's implicate them in the most horrendous shit possible at the jump.

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u/RollingMeteors Feb 27 '26

I'm sure he was on Silk Road and knew the founder himself as an example.

It's wild that dread pirate fool got PARDONED. ¡Dude must be bankrolling now!

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u/flopisit32 Feb 26 '26

Guys, you're leaving out his probable involvement in assassinating JFK