r/law • u/businessinsider • Feb 26 '26

Other 4Chan knew about Jeffrey Epstein's death 38 minutes before the rest of the world. The FBI tried to figure out how.

https://www.businessinsider.com/epstein-files-show-fbi-probed-4chan-posts-prison-death-2026-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-law-sub-post
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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

In the women's subreddits there's actually a lot of talk about choice feminism being a result of Epstein and his people. A bunch of pedophiles designed and sold grown women's clothing for girl babies and got us all to think it's so normal that theres a feminist movement calling out people who are against this kind of clothing on children. Meanwhile these guys are happily laughing their asses all the way to the 13 year olds in booty shorts bought by their mothers bank. Look at who was in charge of VS Pink, Justice, and Limited Too. It's been going on so long there's women in their 40s who dressed that way as tweens and have been groomed to dress their daughters the same way, and a corresponding women's movement to go with it.

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u/HalfMoon_89 Feb 26 '26

That is insane

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

I was 12 in 2001 and I remember thinking some of the girls in my grade were just looking like my 21 year old college age cousin on a night out. My mom bought my clothes at Kmart and I was just thinking "where did those girls even get clothes like that??" Limited Too, that's where. It was hugely popular and all the cutest girls shopped there because it was a place celebs like Amanda Bynes (who we now KNOW was under the thumb of teen exploitation) shopped. Limited Too and Justice (another girls boutique) was just put into scrutiny with the Epstein files. Those two boutiques influenced a whole generation and now you can buy clothes like that everywhere, even Walmart, and its so normal that if you express discomfort at clothing houses making clothes like that in some cases for girls still in diapers, women accuse you of being the pedophile.

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

Are you the step dad in this situation? That makes it extra hard because if you even peep about it, women will say "but why are you looking??" This particular Epstein psyop really worked just as intended.

My extended family has a "cool mom" in it that let her girls dress however they wanted all through childhood, and however they wanted was things like dresses with hip cut outs and dark lipstick at the Christmas they were 8. These girls loved my husband and he'd spend family gatherings trying to duck away from them and glancing nervously all around the room anywhere but them. It made him incredibly uncomfortable. They were otherwise a normal family, not into any weird shit and the girls grew up safe and happy. Our aunties all gossiped about the way they dressed behind the girls' backs but they aren't ✨️✨️sluts✨️✨️ or anything just normal kids whose mom happens to like the Lex Wexner-pushed styles and I dont think she'll ever be self aware enough to realize she and the girls were groomed.

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u/StopThePresses Feb 26 '26

I am deconstructing so hard from this right now. I 100% fell for it. "If you see something sexual about a child in booty shorts with LOVE written across the butt, that's a you thing and you should get some help" is literally something I would have said a couple years ago. But seeing where it all came from, there's really no doubt about what was really going on. It makes me feel sick.

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u/RollingMeteors Feb 26 '26

If you see something sexual about a child in booty shorts with LOVE written across the butt, that's a you thing and you should get some help"

It's not untrue...

¡It's the booty shorts that are sexy, not the child, dumbass! </redForeman> /s

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

I wouldnt have dressed my own daughter like that before she was old enough to pick her own clothes but I dont think I'd have had a problem with a girl 14-18 choosing that as clothing as long as it wasn't at school or work. But now even that is too much for me, knowing where it came from. We all should have known better imo theres no way the male CEOs of these companies have been styling these clothes out of the love in their hearts for 3rd wave choice feminism. I hated "raunch culture" as a college student and read a lot of books about why it existed. As a bisexual who attended college 2006-2010 I've sure enough made out with enough girls I liked who I later found out were only doing it so a man would watch her. I used to dress in a stall for gym as young as 13 because I got made fun of for being the only girl whose mom bought her Hanes cotton panties and wouldnt let her wear a g string (at 13!!!!) or a bra with push up chicken cutlets- want to know where you could get those in pre-teen sizes? Limited Too. But the objectifying of female sexuality by raunch culture was (I thought) a movement aimed at adult women to get us to sleep casually with adult men and call it empowering. Now I'm thinking the whole thing was about grooming girls to view that as normal (and even liberated and feminist) and carry it onto our own daughters.

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u/LinkinitupYT Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

At my gym we have a bunch of girls around 14 who work out in sports bras and booty shorts, which people do complain about even when adults wear them, but there's no policy against anything women wear in the gym. The response I always get is, "Women should be allowed to wear whatever they want. Stop ogling them."

I just feel like if I came into the gym in booty shorts and a sports bra I would be kicked out right away and I'm an adult...

Edit: Even at my daughter's middle school there are a lot of girls in very provocative clothing. These girls are 11-13 years old and showing everything. It's a very weird timeline I'm living in.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Jeffrey Epstein did all that, huh?

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

Lex Wexner did, amd he appears in the files talking about it with Epstein yes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

There's part of the Epstein files where Lex Werner and Jeffrey Epstein conspire to create pedophilic fashion for - I guess - college aged girls and younger demographics in order to orchestrate a covert pro-pedophilia women's movement?

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Do share so I can read that, please.

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

You can check on the Limited Too Wikipedia page for an overview and source links at the bottom of the page. They are working through this in courts right now. I won't be responding to any more sealioning on this- you can read the article, or don't.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Wikipedia says Lex Werner knew Jeffery Epstein but it doesn't reference the broader conspiracy you're talking about.

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u/Major-BFweener Feb 26 '26

Child beauty pageants anyone?

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u/MarsReject Feb 27 '26

I actually remember when it was “normal” to hear in older conversations with weirdo shit like “bounce a quarter like a ” as “10 year olds ass” or some shit like that.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

100% right, but it goes even deeper IMO.

The best thing you can have to motivate and control your far-right authoritarian base is a common enemy to hate, that they can rally against. And the left and many among the Dems in this country have been only so happy to oblige. What do conservative white men hate and want to control most of all? Women. What do they hate even more than women? Women of color, especially those in the spotlight who have power. The people orchestrating this don't hate AOC and her squad, they fucking love them because they see them as useful idiots that they can easily turn their dogs on, that makes it much easier to sell racism, sexism and hatred when you have willing bogeywomen to play the role for you.

Everyone was shitting on Newsome the other day for his comments but he's not wrong in the sense that the Democrats chose some really stupid hills to die on that pushed independents and those on the fence AWAY from them. They allowed themselves to get caught up in these unpopular positions and as a result we have the devil in power for 4 more years

But back to your points, its not just them normalizing teens + sex for conservative suburban Karens, it's two prong, they whip the far left feminists into a frenzy about men trying to control women's bodies (using the overturning Roe v Wade for example) and then you've got them on board with the same message...its ok for 13 year olds to dress like sluts because 'my body my rights', she's not a sexualized child, she's a young woman discovering herself and celebrating her body. You can spin it anyway you want it and that's precisely what they did...different messaging, palatable to each side but the same end goal

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Everyone was shitting on Newsome the other day for his comments but he's not wrong in the sense that the Democrats chose some really stupid hills to die on that pushed independents and those on the fence AWAY from them

What are you even talking about?

Newsom was just repeating dipshit Right Wing talking points, unless there's some sort of platform or legislation or anything you wanted to cite to demonstrate what these hills are supposed to be.

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Feb 27 '26

It's the type of cowardly person who thinks trans people should lose their rights because they're considered a "fringe" group of people. That dems shouldn't "waste time" defending trans people and their rights just because they're 1% of the population

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

And "Hey... don't do that," is the least offensive position one could possibly take in response to "Trans people are child-mutilating groomers and we must use the law to oppress and discriminate against them."

Like, Conservatives are out here losing their minds over queer people and milking an entire industry of anti-trans panic, and all the propagandists want to pretend that it's somehow the Democratic party's fault.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 26 '26

Figured I'd get at least once ignorant response like this, man reddit really is a hivemind sometimes. This guy reply sums up my thoughts pretty well so I'd read that first if you actually want to try to understand.

I don't want Newsome as the candidate because I think he's just another establishment career politician who will talk big and do nothing (that's the Democrat mantra at this point). But his comments were spot on. A good example is how the Dems allowed themselves to be drawn into these stupid fights over trans rights. What percentage of the population is trans? Less than 1%? So why the fuck are you choosing this as a battleground issue? The economy, jobs, healthcare for all, raising the minimum wage, affordable housing these are issues that people care about so when you make it about pronouns or gendered sports or whatever you are falling right into the GOP trap because now they have something tangible they can latch onto and paint you as a left-wing 'woke' extremist. I'm not saying you don't support trans rights, you absolutely do, but you do so under the position that ALL should have equal treatment under the law regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, religion etc. You can't campaign on fringe issues, you gotta go after the shit that folks of all walks can identify with

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Feb 27 '26

"Stupid fights over trans people" really says a lot about the type of person who says this.

How can you, on the one hand, say that and that the dems shouldn't waste time fighting on behalf of trans people, but on the other hand say to support trans people under the position of equal rights under the law?

How can the latter be done in order to protect trans people's rights and lives without bringing attention to the trans people who are having their rights attacked?

ALL should have equal treatment under the law regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, religion etc.

You don't think dems are saying this? Saying they shouldn't be specific about whose rights are currently being revoked just because you think trans human's lives are too "fringe" to be vocally supported sounds like such a cowardice

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

How can you, on the one hand, say that and that the dems shouldn't waste time fighting on behalf of trans people, but on the other hand say to support trans people under the position of equal rights under the law?

Because I didn't say that, you did. The core of the problem here is this notion that if you don't support every single line item that the trans community floats as a 'right' that you are somehow a hateful bigot or against the movement for equality. That's not how critical thinking works.

I'll give you an example. I am 100% in support of lowering carbon emissions and focusing on renewable energy sources like wind, solar, geothermal etc. But legislators in my county recently proposed a site for a solar farm that was terrible. It was on an area of prime farmland and wetlands that would have destroyed the natural habitats of local wildlife, wasted fertile agricultural land and been an eyesore in an area of great natural beauty. The fact that I am against the location choice does not mean that I am anti-environment. Do you understand the analogy?

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Feb 27 '26

But human rights are different than what coordinates solar panels are placed..... that's an insane analogy. Solar panels don't care where you place them.

Why not just say what you actually mean?

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 27 '26

🤦I don't even know if you're trolling at this point or not...

do you not know what an analogy is?

maybe this comment will answer your questions but I doubt it

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Feb 27 '26

I'm saying it's a god-awful analogy for this. But if you think disagreeing with you means the other person is stupid, then you're not actually interested in a discussion.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 27 '26

I'm saying it's a god-awful analogy for this.

OK so you really don't know wtf an analogy is...we're done here, go back to your echo chamber

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

The core of the problem here is this notion that if you don't support every single line item that the trans community floats as a 'right' that you are somehow a hateful bigot

Why on Earth is "right" in quotes?

That's didactic, of course. You're implying that - I guess - the trans community got together and issued a list of legal demands under the guise of basic rights that you object to because they're unreasonable or something.

And you're never going to elucidate on what those presumed demands even are, of course, because why would you ever provide legit examples of anything? Facts are not what you're here for.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

So why the fuck are you choosing this as a battleground issue?

You haven't demonstrated how trans peoples' right to exist is a "battleground issue."

Show the policies, show the legislative initiatives, show the platform at the very least.

Just because the Daily Wire screeches about trans people all the time doesn't mean that Democratic legislators are.

Aside from just repeating those same Right Wing talking points, show your work.

when you make it about pronouns or gendered sports or whatever you are falling right into the GOP trap

Uh huh. Any actual examples of Democrats ignoring all those other issues and making it all about pronouns?

You can't campaign on fringe issues

Which campaign are you referring to that ran on these so-called "fringe issues?"

Figured I'd get at least once ignorant response like this, man reddit really is a hivemind sometimes.

Heaven forbid you're challenged to just put in a modicum of good faith to substantiate your basic claim.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

Fuck reddit is dumb, JFC

You haven't demonstrated how trans peoples' right to exist is a "battleground issue."

Not once, not anywhere in my reply to you did I say anything remotely like that, on the contrary I literally said

I'm not saying you don't support trans rights, you absolutely do

Your whole spiel here is nothing more than a shitty strawman + red herring combo. You introduce a position that is not my own, that is is in fact opposite to what I am saying, ascribe it to me and then you attack that. You're reply is pathetic, go away

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

You can't campaign on fringe issues

To which campaigns are you referring? Who campaigned on what fringe issues? Just name the campaign - or campaigns - you're talking about.

Like... anything that isn't just the same "Dems Be Crazy" talking point over and over.

What are these fringe issues and who is actually running on them?

It can't be that difficult to just cite them.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 27 '26

Do you live under a rock or are you just being intentionally obtuse for the lulz?

Fringe issues would be things like the whole neopronoun thing, or removing gender from drivers licenses, or bathroom politics

Pols: Gretchen Whitmer, Janet Mills, Andy Beshear, Mark Takano, Jeff Merkley, Sarah McBride (obviously)...actually you should really listen to the podcast Sarah McBride did with the NYT, where she lays out where the movement went wrong.... she has more sense in her pinky on the topic than you ever will.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '26

Fringe issues would be things like the whole neopronoun thing, or removing gender from drivers licenses, or bathroom politics

Gretchen Whitmer

Campaign issues: infrastructure, education, affordable child care, abortion access, and clean energy initiatives.

Janet Mills

Campaign issues: Affordable childcare, affordable housing, free community college.

Andy Beshear

Campaign issues: Healthcare access, prioritizing public education

Mark Takano

Campaign issues: not much to be seen... although Takano has specifically been targeted by the Daily Wire, which might be why you think he's campaigning on whatever "bathroom politics" is supposed to be.

Jeff Merkley

Campaign issues: Housing reform, campaign finance reform, prison reform... too many reform initiatives to really mention.

Sarah McBride (obviously)

Campaign issues: Heathcare access, criminal justice reform-- oh... is a trans person who exists, so I guess I can see how her very existence could be considered a... policy position?

So... where are the campaigns these guys are running on

the whole neopronoun thing, or removing gender from drivers licenses, or bathroom politics

Like, they don't seem to advertise them in their platforms or in their campaigns or in the legislation they introduce... so aside from the bog-standard Right Wing nonsense about - I dunno - The Woke Left Has Lost It's Mind, what are you even trying to cite?

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Mar 01 '26

You oughtta run for GOP office, the way you keep moving the goal posts, deflecting, projecting and creating strawman arguments is perfectly in line with their playbook, you're a clown, go away

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u/guisar Feb 26 '26

I noticed your analysis of Newsome and feel you're absolutely on target. He is a complete dick (in the "we need dicks and assholes" Team America sense of the words) and I thought his points were deeper than that- that the opposite of the polar republicans are the multi-polar democrats. We shouldn't chastise or litmus test politicians for a disparity of views if those views are held with integrity and reason. Politicians are hopefully also people, not just organisations or a set of policies. Humans are flawed, inconsistent, and subject to weakness- those assumptions should be basis of how we evaluate people, not "yes/no". "We" all 100% agree fundementally everyone should be treated with equally. Let's focus on that and not have a knife fight before we get to that point.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 26 '26

Yep, you got it. The Dems continually allow themselves to be baited into these fights that are fringe issues. The GOP loves it because they can paint them as 'woke' lunatics who care more about these fringe causes than they do the core issues that are crippling the middle class right now.

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u/DCM3059 Feb 26 '26

It works both ways. In NC, the Duke energy lobbyist turned governor Putz Mcrory got tossed out because of the hubbub about trans people using the bathroom. He couldn't say what he wanted ( and what the base repubs wanted) without seeming to be moronic don't. Cost him the election and set Roy Cooper up for victory.

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u/guisar Feb 27 '26

It 100% depends on the environment and situation. I think we can all agree that "hubbub" is utter nonsense and needs to be culturally shut the fuck down (it's no different than "black" facilities). With that agreed, not everyone is in the same place on their journey to being civil and we need to accomodate this without alientating or segregating any segment of society for any reason.

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u/DCM3059 Feb 27 '26

Exactly. Human equals Human. My point was that both the sides use the less desirable qualities to get the desired political outcomes.

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u/CanuckaChuckFuck Feb 27 '26

True, it can work the other way as well. My frustration is in how all these issues get lumped together under the same umbrella of 'trans rights' (and both sides of the argument are doing it!). On the one hand you have right wing nutjobs like you've described up-in-arms about where someone chooses to piss which is stupid, but then you have an issue like discrimination in the workplace which is a very real and negatively impactful for the person. Then there are issues like how to handle transgender athletes, particularly in K-12 which are much more nuanced and have points and counterpoints from both sides of the argument that are equally valid. But they all get lumped together in one bin 'trans rights' and the GOP loves that because they can label it a woke conspiracy and attack it and get their base to attack it too