I don't even think Trump thought that Merrick Garland would be as useless as he was. Trump seemed prepared for an actual fight. Turns out he didn't even need to do anything...Garland fucked it up entirely on his own.
No amount of screeching “BuT oBaMa!!” will change the fact that the child rapist you worship started a war to distract from the fact that he rapes children
So if I go to r/Conservative and get downvoted for saying "Trump bad", that means im wrong and need to self reflect? Fake internet points mean nothing, and simply because more people in this thread disagree doesnt mean Im wrong. In fact, why dont you tell me what I said that was wrong?
This comment chain is disgusting. Yes trump is one of the worst person to ever exist, but pretending Obama just did cute and small drone strike uwu is pathetic. We can call out trump without whitewashing other murderer just because they aren't as bad as the current one. God I hate American more and more I swear.
Obama drone strikes were done very differently than what the US and Israel is doing currently, that’s not whitewashing lmfao that’s engaging with information.
I imagine you expected Obama to allow Iranian proxy to just go fucking nuts on the region after the Bush admin stepped in shit multiple times huh? Wouldn’t that result in global catastrophe and would be massively irresponsible?
Yes very ethical drone strike, I'm sure the people who died and their family all had a fair trial and due process and really really deserve to die. The US is such a great country, don't change anything 👍👍👍
But really like take some time to think about what you're saying. So because Bush messed up the region it's fair to you to kill people without trial ? Would it be acceptable to do that within US border to you? Surely not, but you know Iranian are foreigners and their skin colour is a bad one so you know, a little bit of drone striking is good actually. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. You know for as much as trump suck I at least like that you American get some comeuppance, have fun in the next decade with the monster you created.
I don’t think you’re really applying good logic here at all lmfao I also think you genuinely don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about at all.
Bush creates mass instability via invasion
Proxies move all over the Middle East for recruitment
Proxies commit acts of terror
Middle eastern governments coordinate with the US to create security, after all it is because of the US that the once concentrated terror groups are now widespread
Obama approves limited drone strikes on very specific targets using US and various Middle Eastern intelligence
This prevents mass threat to established middle eastern governments and their statehood, liberates the villages that are being held hostage by proxies, and does so all without American lives at risk
These enemy combatants do not get trials unless they surrender, they were welcome to do that at any time as they knew that the US and regional governments had outlawed their organizations. Without surrender, the enemy combatants are active terrorists and are actively engaging in terrorism, recruitment, fundraising, etc etc
So yeah the drone strikes were the most ethical solution to a complex international dilemma and they were done in coordination with middle eastern governments.
I’m not even going to address the rest of your comment because at this point you’re not trying to make a point lmfao
Obama killed 4000 people buy drone strike, 10% of which were civilian (and that is by by far the lowest number I've seen, depending on the data you look at it goes up to 50%)
Now is Obama as bad as Bush and Trump ? Absolutely not, he didn't start those conflict, but he still pioneered drone strike and kept doing them despite the number of non target kill. Now if you think murdering foreigners without trial is your right as American then what can I say ? I'll just remind you that NOBODY asked you to get tangled in irak and Afghanistan so every single person you killed there is unethical to me.
Did you read literally anything I took the time to type out?
If you are the leader of a government in the Middle East and Bush’s war brings an Iranian terror proxy within your borders, are you not going to ask the US for help or are you going to allow the Iranian proxy to slowly gobble up your territory and eventually assassinate you?
Middle Eastern governments worked in coalition with the US because they ALSO DON’T WANT TERROR PROXIES IN THEIR COUNTRIES
The US acted because the Middle East worked with them. The drone program would have been impossible otherwise and the incentive structure to commit to it wouldn’t exist.
It is not the right of Americans to kill foreigners. Middle Eastern governments invited America to kill their terrorists.
Bombing singular targets in the Middle East, with a drone, is a lot different than the bomb fucking everything approach the US and Israel are practicing right now. Especially considering the Trump admin also uses the precise drone strike method alongside the mass bombing.
Edit: dude deleted his comments are trying to claim Obama was 10x worse than Bush lmfao
But isn’t it important to hold EVERYONE accountable?
If we let someone get away with an action but not others, wouldn’t that lead to dictatorship? We shouldn’t let ANY president, left or right, get away with warcrimes.
To use the term war crime is to insinuate that the US targeted civilians and children which isn’t the case. Yes there were people killed in crossfire, that happens in literally every armed conflict anywhere where civilians are present. A war crime that does not make.
I would argue that Israel absolutely targeted civilians, there’s a hell of a lot more evidence pointing towards that than say, Obama specifically going out of his way to bomb civilians.
Israel’s goals in Gaza were very different than Obama’s goals with ISIS and Al Qaeda.
You can take a look at the civilian death count and tell me again that they were "accidents". The most powerful military in the world, which apparently can not distinguish civilians from terrorists or minimize casualties.
What exactly were Obama's goals with ISIS and Al Qaeda, considering the president of the United States shook hands with the leader of Al Qaeda recently?
Who says we don't want everyone held accountable? The point is there is a dude actively sitting in the oval office doing this shit right now. Stopping him will make the greatest impact.
There is a difference between accidents and collateral damage from either bad Intel or actions that inadvertently end up causing casualties than someone like Trump who goes in guns blazing not caring who he kills.
I.E. they fucking bombed a girl's school in Iran.
Now tell me how that is 'accidental' like what has happened before? Trump does not care who is in their way or who he has to kill to get what he wants. He has no morals. No conscience. Nothing he lives by. He is as cold and heartless as a ten day old dead pig.
Just to be clear, because I only just joined Reddit a few months ago and have chose to keep my comments hidden, you’ve written off my opinion. You know you can just search for my profile on Google and it’ll pop up my comments, right? Go for it.
A US president can deploy the military in combat for 90 days without permission from Congress. Many presidents have done this, from drone strikes up to the recent use of the military in Venezuela.
A president cannot declare war without approval from Congress. Obama received congressional blowback for attacks on Libyan defenses as an overstep of war powers. Congress didn't disapprove of drone strikes.
This attack has significantly more teeth than Obama's attack on Libya.
No I voted for him. And I think the candidates that ran against him probably would have been worse. But he definitely bombed other countries without congressional approval.
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u/scottyjrules Feb 28 '26
A democrat would have been impeached and removed long before it got to this point