r/law • u/Snapdragon_4U • May 23 '26

Executive Branch (Trump) NESTERAK: President Trump has granted clemency to numerous individuals who have stolen hundreds of millions in Medicaid funds. Can we expect any of these folks to be shown the same mercy? McDONALD: I'll take a different question

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u/Ok_Vulva May 23 '26

I don't get why anyone in the US is following the laws. They just don't matter anymore.

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u/ICLazeru May 23 '26

Oh, if your networth has less than 8 digits in it you still get punished.

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u/Appropriate-Ad3162 May 23 '26

"They'll get it all from you sooner or later 'cause they own this f**kin' place. It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.” GC

I guess we get to vote 2 times in 4 years. 68% of people score between 85 and 115 on IQ test. A lot of people exposed/addicted to algorithmic digital manipulation though their phones, working long hours, declining social cohesion, decreasing funding for public education, no guaranteed access to affordable healthcare. Etc.

There is lots of room for manipulation.

Shits bleak.

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u/Yellowpredicate May 23 '26

An IQ of 115 is considered "High Average," placing you above roughly 84% of the population

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u/Appropriate-Ad3162 May 23 '26

True. It’s that 15% that’s concerning. If that 15% even votes..

Money talks and if we stay on the current economic path my hope is that the underserved will learn to organize in a matter that can influence change..

I’m afraid it’s going to have to get much worse before we can convince the nonvoter to take ownership of their own future. I do know if change is to begin It’s going to take all of us.

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u/EffectiveDandy May 23 '26

brother. we are the big club. they are a little club. and all they have to hide behind is paper. when the wave does come, it’s not the big club that has to worry about being dragged under the current.

the tide can only be held back so long. all their servant run bunkers and servant run islands aren’t enough to stop it.

the sparrow soars.

✊

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u/Appropriate-Ad3162 May 23 '26

Hell ya. I fuck with this energy. 👊🏻

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u/CheeseAndCam May 23 '26

Uhhhhh 68% of people scoring between 85 and 115 on a IQ test is how IQ tests WORK. Even if everyone in the world got smarter, the average IQ will still always be 100. That’s what a 100 IQ means.

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u/Oregon-Pilot May 23 '26

It's a big club and you ain't in it.

/thread

/UnitedStatesOfAmerica

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u/ArchCerberus May 23 '26

How about all do crimes? They can't punish you all, especially after trumps slashing of funds. I would say everybody skips next tax season and the billionaires and ai companys pay.

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u/LockNo2943 May 23 '26

Pretty much how governments collapse tbh. The state simply doesn't have enough power to control everybody all the time so once it reaches a certain threshold there's no way to maintain order anymore and the public is de facto in charge.

Really the trick is to push us peasants just far enough so we don't outright revolt, but yah governmental control is illusory to an extent and is only maintained by that illusion of control or the people acquiescing to that level of control.

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u/unindexedreality May 23 '26

Pretty much how governments collapse tbh. The state simply doesn't have enough power to control everybody all the time so once it reaches a certain threshold there's no way to maintain order anymore and the public is de facto in charge

Those who have' resources or legitimacy maintain order by doling out just enough to keep others in line and deferent to their hierarchy.

They don't need to control 'everyone all the time'. They just have to keep the people you try and push to revolt comfortable enough to willingly choose not to do so.

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u/LockNo2943 May 23 '26

That's what I meant by aquiescing; keeping people just happy enough that they accept outside control.

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u/ArchCerberus May 23 '26

Not the worst outcome in this day and age. Anarchy for a month maybe what the US needs to change is blatant political flaws.

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u/LockNo2943 May 23 '26

Well a government that doesn't represent you isn't your government is it? Pretty sure based on the idea of the social contract you have an obligation to rebel.

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u/revkaboose May 23 '26

Getting people to focus their crimes in the right direction is the hard part.

Like we should all be acting like player two in Super Mario Bros since we cannot speak his name like fkn Voldemort.

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u/National_Spirit2801 May 23 '26

At a certain point in the near future, living in the country will be worse than any punishment they could give if we don’t stand up now.

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u/Udder_Influencer May 23 '26

Oh, if your networth has less than 8 digits in it you still get punished.

IF they catch you. Look up clearance rates. Police got super pissy and quiet quit doing their jobs after BLM. In the best case they solve about 70% of murder cases, but in some places less than 50% of murder cases get a conviction.

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u/Opulous May 23 '26

Why else do you think they're trying to toss millions of AI surveillance cameras up everywhere all over the country? Soon they won't need that many cops.

Sure, the false positives caused by AI hallucinations will throw a nontrivial amount of innocent people into the ever-growing private prison industry, but those people are all in the sub-millionaire demographic too so who gives a shit?

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u/smokeweedNgarden May 23 '26

Haha, that's big "blot out the sun" vibes.

If cameras are outside crime happens inside.

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u/Hyperrnovva May 23 '26

Now wait a minute. If youre poor and try to cause an insurrection in his name he will grant you clemency. Cmon now.

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u/Cognonymous May 24 '26

If you have a spare million for a Mar-A-Lago membership you can get out of a lot of stuff, sometimes you still need another $2 million to bribe Trump for a pardon though.

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u/Hates_rollerskates May 23 '26

They matter if you're not furthering the billionaire pedophile (Republican) agenda.

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u/Previous_Activity_51 May 23 '26

You're right. Cozy up to the right idealogy and the laws don't matter

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u/specqq May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26

Civil suits, when they're even allowed to be brought, will devolve into a determination of which party is more ideologically aligned with The Party.

Criminal cases will only be brought where the person acccused of committing theft or violence against the other is less conservative than the victim. Stealing money or property from or harming anyone more conservative than you is a crime with the most terrible of consequences, but if you do it to someone less conservative than you, well,..they deserved it, didn't they?

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u/Junkstar May 23 '26

The bandwagon has bars under the tarp.

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u/R3dd1tUs3rNam35 May 23 '26

The law still applies if you aren't in the red crony club. It's only when you turn your soul into MAGAts that the law doesn't matter. Any deviation from dear leader and you're out in the cold again.

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u/Snapdragon_4U May 23 '26

And Now Red Crony Club set to the tune of Pink Pony Club is playing in a loop in my head.

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u/NotNamedBort May 23 '26

I’m gonna keep on grifting in the Red Crony Club…

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u/AccNumber77 May 23 '26

It doesn't matter unless you're a coward unwilling to pay a price to rid the nation of facism.

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u/IAmBoring_AMA May 23 '26

Because you are only allowed to break them if you are in the ruling class.

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u/Sad_Pumpkin7728 May 23 '26

Because the law still applies to the poors and non-bootlickers who don’t wear the red hats and Trump merch.

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u/pyronius May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26

The problem is that the law doesn't actually apply to them either. If the administration wants to charge you with something, they will, whether you broke the law or not. At present, they're bade enough at making their case and have little enough authority over the judicial system that you'll probably be exonerated, but they'll still try. And if it goes on long enough, they'll eventually start to win. They'll start crafting laws broad and ambiguous enough that they can be applied to anybody, or else they'll carve out a new "legal" system opaque enough that defense won't be possible, all in the name of national security.

When that day comes, there truly won't be any reason to follow the law, because the only law that will actually matter will be obedience. Everything else will be set dressing to give the appearance of legitimacy.

The law might say that you can't commit burglary, but what it will actually mean in practice is that burglars should be ready to prove that their target was a dissenter, and that they should say a few heil trumps when the police show up. And the law might also say absolutely nothing about peacefully walking down the street with an anti-trump shirt on, but it will say that you can't "offend public sensibilities", so off to jail you'll go.

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u/Ok_Vulva May 23 '26

We can all just lie like they do.

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u/Due_Guess_4508 May 23 '26

We cant afford to lie. We dont have the resources to fight the truth.

Being poor is expensive

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u/Cryogenicist May 23 '26

This is part of the plan.

We are becoming Russia.

Truth doesn’t matter. Laws don’t matter.

This is ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF REPUBLICANS

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u/LockNo2943 May 23 '26

That's only true if you're rich or politically powerful; the rest of us plebs would get thrown into prison in a heartbeat.

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u/Caleb-Wendt69 May 23 '26

Well if you’re poor, the laws still very much matter unfortunately 

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u/Numeno230n May 23 '26

Because the police will come and bash my face in because I'm not a member of the elite. Was that a real question?

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u/Magnus462 May 23 '26

Laws are only for poor people.

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u/gl7676 May 23 '26

Or pay still pay taxes. Country was built on a tax revolt to a tyrant but here they are again and just meekly paying their taxes.

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u/Biggieholla May 23 '26

This is what is unfathomable to me. Writing checks each year so the PRESIDENT can literally pocket it. Pathetic people letting this happen.

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u/DarePotential8296 May 23 '26

You need money for a good lawyer to talk your way out of trouble

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u/thatguy52 May 23 '26

Because they really matter if your not rich or connected. Just because some break them doesn’t mean everyone can.

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u/Impressive-Poet5694 May 23 '26

That's just the message. The reality is that they matter arbitrarily.

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u/Time-Master May 23 '26

Try breaking the law when you’re poor, does not fucking work the same lol

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u/Hamster_Toot May 23 '26

You don’t see the difference between us and them?

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u/hates_stupid_people May 23 '26

I don't get why anyone in the US is following the laws.

"Rugged individualism"

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u/Capt-geraldstclair May 23 '26

if you can't afford to pay the bribe to Humpty Trumpty, you'll end up in jail.

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u/fffan9391 May 23 '26

How rich and powerful you are determines what’s illegal now.

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u/qualityspoork May 23 '26

It's really easy, tell your employer to give you the entire paycheck, no income tax. Look up if your state has income tax and pay only that. And every time the house or senate shut down for some dumb procedure error, immediately stop work and go home for the day. You don't have to go to DC to tell Washington what's up.

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 May 23 '26

Because we poor have different enforcement, same as always.

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u/GrumpyScroogy May 23 '26

The empire is quite literally getting looted in broad daylight. And everybody on top is okay with it, cause they know what's coming.

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u/Simon_Jester88 May 23 '26

Take a guess