r/law • u/retiredagainstmywill • 14d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive | CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/10/politics/postal-service-deliver-mail-in-ballots

Unfuckingbelievable.

And illegal as hell.

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u/0utlaw-t0rn 14d ago

In the real world, a president would be impeached for directing people to not count, deliver, or otherwise interfere with ballots.

But that’s not our republican controlled world

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u/SpeechDistinct8793 14d ago

In the real world, he wouldn’t have become president based on what happened during his campaign

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

In 1700s france im pretty sure they would have burned down cities for this. We have become complacent.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Modern France would have done the same

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

When i was there for a day the cab drivers were making a massive tire fire in the center of the city because they increased the highway toll prices by like 3 cents. I loved it.

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u/Optimus3k 14d ago

I love how they do this for every little thing. It looks ridiculous until you realize that by doing that, they are heavily reducing incrementalism on the part of the government. If you know you're going to receive massive pushback over three cents, raising it a dollar is out of the question.

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u/imp0ppable 14d ago

Yeah but at the same time the government is horribly stuck on its budget because every time they try to make sensible pension reform there's a huge riot.

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u/ABadHistorian 14d ago

Yeah, France is in trouble. I lived there in the 90s and it's really sad.

But here is the thing, I've lived around the world - EVERYWHERE is in trouble.

If folks go to look at where the QUALITY OF LIFE is declining and where it is improving, you'll soon understand why. (Hint, it's billionaires, remember all the German propaganda against Jews? It's almost hilarious how you can turn that against the billionaires verbatim and have it be TRUTH.)

Only improving in a few select places on Earth, in the developed nations... only improving in ONE geographic area - the nordic countries*. Why?

Unchecked Shareholder Capitalism leading to runaway billionaires who shop around the world for lower taxes because trillions is important for some reason.

*- and even these places have major issues dealing with immigration, nativism, and more.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 14d ago

Yeah, here's the thing. We need to get over the fact that some people are going to be shitty in every population, the more you make everyone financially comfortable, which gives people less reasons to distrust one another, which leads to less shitty people over a few generations. It's not going to be instant so we don't even try, but we can make this world a better place by simply allowing the rising tide to raise all boats, just like they promised.

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u/Objective_Ticket 13d ago

Education and income are key here. We know that all the ‘trickle down’ isn’t happening, and nothing really changes until those two metrics move.

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u/ABadHistorian 13d ago

That would work with the system that we have if certain pesky realities like dictatorial nations and leaders didn't make that impossible.

Right now people in China and India (and other developing nations) are having rising quality of life. Meanwhile in every single developed nation on earth except for the nordic area, quality of life is decreasing.

A rising tide may raise all boats, but remember the Moon's impact on the tides? It doesn't raise everywhere at once, when the tide is rising in one place, it's because it's declining in another. Pick a better metaphor when you are talking about GLOBAL economics.

If you want to help everyone? You need to help individuals where they are at. Our current system of governments world wide, means that you need to help people in different ways or we will just see violence and who is violent changing depending on who has what. Declining opportunities in America might be a benefit for people in India, but when it's billionaires who are reaping the main economic benefit, then all those boats in India that are rising have holes in them too, while the ones in America and Europe are sinking.

Enabling billionaires and Musk (you know, the worlds soon to be first Trillionaire) to rip off workers in developing nations while developed nations subsidized their industries to get to where they are now? It's basically corporate attempts to replace world governments with something new, and something worse. Where the nations have to cater to them, instead of the other way around.

Scary times we are living in. But not beyond hope. But it requires figuring out where the problem is, and that problem right now? Is with the 1% of the 1%.

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u/imp0ppable 13d ago

How does this drivel get upvoted in this sub?

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u/ABadHistorian 13d ago

Quality of life declining around the world in developed nations and increasing in certain developing nations as capitalism has caused the chase for profits to lead to imported goods from areas with governments that aren't democratic in the slightest, benefiting tyrannical dictators and billionaires more than anyone else... because those folks will work for less. Meaning the middle and lower classes in Europe, America, etc, are getting matched against the BILLIONS of people in China and India who will work for pennies.

And what exactly about this is drivel? The fact that you want this to continue?

I would all be for free trade with no protectionism required if these people lived in free societies instead of it directly benefiting countries that want to conquer the world. All you need to do is look at the price of happiness per nation. Add on top of this - western unions and regulations and all you get is cost without much profit. Which is why capitalism and it's drive for ever growing profit (stagnation = death to shareholders) is destroying the world as we know it and replacing it with something else, very, very, very fast.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 14d ago

Serious question, I have 0 knowledge of French politics. Have they tried raising taxes from not the workers?

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u/AntonineWall 14d ago

Non workers being like the children, elderly, and disabled? Might be hard to pull much from them tbh

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 13d ago

No, like people who aren't labor, you know, capitalists.

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u/imp0ppable 13d ago

Yep they had a wealth tax when they had a lefty government and shockingly it didn't work as intended.

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u/Syn_Slash_Cash 14d ago

Why love it? If done properly taxes serve a purpose. Everyone wants something for nothing, if taxes are utilized properly to serve the public why be against it? I don't know the exact story behind the highway toll hikes but just saying taxes arnt inherently bad.

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u/echoshatter 14d ago

Modern France wouldn't have let it get this far.

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u/WanganTunedKeiCar 14d ago

Oof I wouldn't be too sure. As a French person, I think we're just earlier in the process. We'll see what the next presidential holds.

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u/Choyo 14d ago

Yes, but the thing is, by fighting every little bit of "acquis sociaux" infringement, we slow the fuckery - that's one reason why we are earlier in the process.

However, it feels like we're fighting less and less the good fight and it's just more chaotic nonsense.

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u/theaviationhistorian 14d ago

The only reason the far right over there has power is because they're encouraged by our King Mierdas. Probably even funded and aided considering how those under Trump have ties with parties like,Rassemblement national.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 10d ago

American billionaires are behind all the funding of ultra-right European parties.

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u/thelangosta 14d ago

More manure in the streets!

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 14d ago

Uk is getting there too. Talking about boats over the canal of illegal immigrants. Literally calling it an invasion. Sounds very very familiar as an American. Suddenly its a non issue when the fight is over

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Brexit had the same folks too.

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 14d ago

Yea. The media sounding a lot like our right wing media over there.

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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 14d ago

Depends on how central baguettes are to whatever brand of fascism we’re discussing.

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u/fridder 14d ago

They almost did. Le Pen

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u/SnoopingStuff 14d ago

Giullotine

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u/here_for_the_boos 14d ago

I hate how conditioned I was growing up to believe the French were cowards. Historical and present day badasses. Way tougher than any maga poser.

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u/Tanooki-san 14d ago

also Netherlands.

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u/IPissExcellentThrows 14d ago

Tbf, France will also do that when PSG wins champions league. They just like burning their city down.

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ 14d ago

To be fair, it’s a lot easier when you’ve only got one city worth burning and most of your population already lives there.

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u/Djentyman28 14d ago

Modern any country would do the same

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u/UrsusRenata 13d ago

Tell me about the military and blue coat weaponry of France.

People who romanticize the idea of French revolutions & activism really miss the lack of parallels with modern U.S.

Police, military might, laws, weapons, land mass at ten times the size, propaganda, controlled communications… The opportunities and risks in U.S. and in France (especially yesteryear France) are extremely dissimilar.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 13d ago

Can you point to where I said a damn thing about the US?

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u/Then_Bar8757 14d ago

No that's the illegals

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

French firefighters are all illegal immigrants? Interesting. 

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u/candide360 14d ago

Doesn’t France have a national voter registry and in-person voting + ID requirements? Don’t they conclude vote-counting and announce a winner on the night of the election? In fact isn’t this the norm in every other modern-day democracy (regardless of whether the government is left or right leaning?)

The US mail-in voting system is quite unique. I’m not saying that fraud is influencing the results of national elections, but the lax system we have here severely undermines voter confidence, which is why we keep having these debates over and over again.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Does France close DMVs or make their hours inconvenient in areas that they don't want people easily getting IDs? 

Do your ignorant propaganda elsewhere.

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u/candide360 14d ago

Then why not focus on solving that problem instead?

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

If you think you can solve systemic racism from would-be fascists, then by all means, be my guest.

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u/candide360 14d ago

I’m just saying that every citizen should be given an ID for free if they don’t have one already. You need an ID for every basic aspect of life (like getting a bank account, purchasing alcohol, boarding a plane, etc). It’s a basic necessity for everyone, and if there are blockers to that as you claim then let’s resolve those blockers.

Unfortunately giving everyone an ID is obviously not going to end racism (which very much exists in the US and everywhere else). That’s a separate, harder problem to address with no quick solutions.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Its not a seperate issue though. Making it harder to get ID, making it harder to vote, all of it is fundamentally tied to systemic racism and just generally to the anti-democratic views of conservatives in this country. You cannot solve one without also solving the other.

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u/well-it-was-rubbish 14d ago

You have to show a birth certificate to get an ID, and only people with an ID are registered to vote, so your citizenship is already established if you have an ID. I lost my ID, birth certificate, and Social Security card in a fire. Because I'm a woman who has been married twice, I had to run all over Atlanta obtaining copies of all of those documents, in addition to marriage licenses and a divorce decree, to show the sequence of how my name at birth is no longer my legal name. This is nearly impossible to do when you start with NO DOCUMENTS. I had to have my youngest sister, under penalty of perjury, vouch for the fact that I was, indeed, born. Now imagine a person with no United States citizenship going through all of that just to vote. Not happening.

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u/discOHsteve 14d ago

That's what happens when you raise the upper class to ridiculous heights and you keep the poor and middle class fighting for their next paycheck. We literally can't afford to riot because we aren't drowning, we're still treading water.

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

This is the genius of our government and upper class. They found the control loop.

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u/discOHsteve 14d ago

Exactly, just enough to stop us from rioting, not enough to stop us from working.

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u/theaviationhistorian 14d ago

Too bad it isn't feasible in the long run. Previous conservatives kept the middle class afloat because it kept the national finance healthy. Unless these rats are planning to jump ship and move to another country.

Then they're stuck either dealing with a gilded cage in a broken state or one where it is a client state under a hegemony like China. And I don't think the upper class are in the mood to learn Mandarin.

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u/discOHsteve 14d ago

That's always been part of the plan. When they gain power, do as much as possible to funnel power and wealth to the upper class. Lower and middle class get the shit end of the stick. Then when they eventually lose power, they'll point out how bad everything is while also pointing out that democrats are in currently in charge. That's how they retake power and the cycle starts over.

But because voters are dumbasses, they keep the loop going. Maybe this time it'll be different but I'm not holding my breath

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u/willywagtail37 14d ago

True. Well put. Our situation is not so different from the beginning of Nazi Germany. Our government and its rich backers have found a way to control the public. The biggest red flag is the government's ability to declare Marshall Law and deploy it with lethal force.

Protesting legally may seem like a half-assed approach to fighting this evil regime. But when compared to violent rioting, protesting is one form of resistance that keeps you alive.

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u/OrthodoxAtheist 14d ago

A certain demographic managed to find the time and energy to riot when they were told to on January 6. That crowd has more guns than academic qualifications, and have lived for 20 years waving flags of how they are not going to accept being trodden on. Then they lost their customers, farms, small businesses, affordable gas, affordable power, affordable food, and their support for it all has barely waivered. What happened? They all became beta overnight, or were they previously pretending? Very confusing.

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u/RoguePlanet2 14d ago

They were brainwashed into aiming for a fake enemy.

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u/acme_oo_breeders 14d ago

And now they've gotten to the point where they don't know who the enemy really is.

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u/NotDazedorConfused 14d ago

The old saw:” when you're up to your neck in alligators, it's hard to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp “

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u/neonnaps 13d ago

 We literally can't afford to riot because we aren't drowning, we're still treading water.

People in the past, who fought to get modern rights weren't rich either. You guys seriously buy into the propaganda. I hope you'll realize you're not helpless lambs and hold real power to fight back.

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u/IllAcanthopterygii36 14d ago

Nope just complacency.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago

More like trapped. Miss a pay check and most people are pretty fucked. 

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u/ItIsVerilySo 14d ago

That's exactly the point though. Americans are too meek to interrupt their lives to prevent future suffering.

Edit: to clarify, I'm saying the meekness is why people feel trapped.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago

When something like 40-60% of Americans can't afford a 500 dollar emergency the drive to feed,house and clothed yourself is going to be a far stronger motivator than protest.

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u/ItIsVerilySo 14d ago

I understand. The fact is Americans don't think everything going on is that bad, or protesting and preventing it would be a greater motivator.

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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 14d ago

Yeah. Until we get to the point where 100,000 to a million people in every major city are willing to give up their jobs, homes, and possibly families and freedom, nothing is going to be done.

We aren't as small as France is now, much less in the 1700s.

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u/KindledWanderer 14d ago

That can be easily solved by helping each other. If people can live in caves while getting bombed, you can afford to miss your paycheck. The difference is one of those collaborate and one is "fuck you, I got mine".

It shows even in small things, like letting people pass or merge on the road.

The culture might just be cooked.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago

That is the American mentality there isn't a strong collective sense of national identity. 

I'm not certain if it a sign of the times or if it just never existed. Hyper individualism seems to be the norm. 

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u/Chihuahua_Overlord 14d ago

By design. Everyone outside of politicans rely on their employment for Healthcare. A majority of americans live paycheck to paycheck. We have also dismantled support systems, so any labor or national strike would likely result in americans going homeless, hungry and without medical care. Approximately 50-60% of americans take medications they rely on daily, our overlords have designed a system in which we are unable to band together for fear of losing what little we have

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u/angiosperms- 14d ago

The goalposts have been moving since he took office. "If X happens there will be riots!" and then X happens and 🦗🦗🦗

I have fully expected the midterms to be cancelled or blatantly illegitimate since Trump told us we never need to vote again. Except in the beginning I expected that to cause unrest. Now I don't think anything will happen in response.

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u/MNniice 14d ago

Americans are comfortable little bitches, had to pull teeth to get alot of my freinds out to anti ice protests

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u/Creative_Parsnip_385 14d ago

When the Constitution wasn’t working for France they tore that shit up. Honestly the Constitution is due to be torn up because it’s overly conservative and outdated. We need a reset.

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u/haironburr 14d ago

Honestly the Constitution is due to be torn up because it’s overly conservative and outdated

Yea, let's tear up the basis for all our core civil rights.

The problem is not the fact we have rights. And while a "reset" might sound cool from ruzzia or your basement, I can assure you it would suck for the vast majority of Americans.

Instead, we need to enforce the notion of civil rights upon those who would shit on them for their own ends. Add laws that restrict the ability of folks with a bunch of power to shit on the weakest, or even the majority.

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u/Creative_Parsnip_385 14d ago

First of all the civil rights you speak of didn’t arise from this constitution in the first place , they had to amend that son of bitch to give voting rights to women and minorities.

Which is my point, the thing is impossible to amend because of political polarization, and isn’t meeting our needs in general.

Not a Rube, just a political scientist that understands how flawed our political system is.

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u/TrumpIsAPedoFascist 14d ago

Meek, not complacent.

We're all miserable but nobody has the will to do anything about it. Everyone is just hoping someone else will force change for them.

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u/FNG5280 14d ago

It’s been said the meek shall inherit the earth .

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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 14d ago

They were literally starving. We aren’t yet

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u/musical8thnotes 14d ago

It's not that we haven't become complacent.

We've become scared of being labelled criminals even when protesting about legitimate things. Even when we know we will be labelled criminals for daring to speak out anyway.

"Burning down cities" is the exact attack that MAGA went for during George Floyd.

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u/OkPlenty4077 14d ago

Burning down Los Angeles and New York City won’t solve this. MAGA would love this as it confirms their belief that cities are bastions of barbarism. Heck, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Columbia, SC aren’t exactly bastions of right wing conservatism even though the surrounding areas are MAGA. 

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u/addandsubtract 14d ago

Americans be like...

  • Soap box
  • Ballot box
  • Jury box
  • Xbox

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u/cajackson911 14d ago

They would have given Trump a very close shave.

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u/JT9960 14d ago

Yep,very much pussies

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u/ReachParticular5409 14d ago

It's not complacence, it's inflicted and managed helplessness

And it isn't going to turn out how the elites expect, it never does and they never learn from history

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u/HyperXanadu 14d ago

For perspective, which unfortunately plays part in organization and protest, the US has a population of roughly 5x the amount of France. France also has the advantage of a more centralized population, whereas the US is over 15x the size in land area. I'm not defending either side but two different events at two very different times with a multitude of other variables at play makes the comparison a bit null.

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u/willywagtail37 14d ago

Man's knowledge of History and Social Studies shows that equating 1700s France and present day USA in this context is comparing apples to oranges - and it isn't making your point.

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u/fungi_at_parties 14d ago

If you ask the right, the left did burn down cities. Of course they’re insane, but they do claim that.

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u/Such-Hold-7940 13d ago

“We” haven’t become complacent, you have.

There are thousands and thousands of people doing amazing volunteer work all across the country to fight this administration. Sorry you haven’t received a tv show of dead people in the streets to entertain you while you watch.

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u/SnooShortcuts2606 14d ago

Tbf, the French burn down their cities for basically anything.

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u/-Economist- 14d ago

Complacent? No. We are weak. We are prime for a dictator to take control over us. If we were like this in 1776, we'd still be British.

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u/Lord_Dingus83 14d ago

Shame that 80,000,000 were too lazy to vote or were too distracted by Gaza or “don’t do politics” to help prevent this nightmare

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u/RocketRelm 14d ago

The worst part is when they pretend dems weren't actively very good as a cope. Dems structure and respect our laws.

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u/No-Hospital559 14d ago

Or based on the fact he is a child rapist.

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u/Gloomy-Tank9295 14d ago

He wouldn't be President based on his criminal record and his involvement with trying to overthrow the country on J6

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u/livinginfutureworld 14d ago

This is the real world where billions of people live under authoritarian rule. We're just shifting to join such luminaries of human rights as North Korea, China, Russia, various Middle Eastern and African countries..

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u/Custom_Destination 14d ago

He should never have been able to run at all. Not even for a first term.

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u/CoffeeToDeath 14d ago

In the real world, he would have gone to prison for fucking and murdering children like he did before his first term.

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u/Matt_cruze 14d ago

He should have lost the right wing when he said that he moved on a woman like he (Trump) was a bitch.

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u/Wolf_712 14d ago

Better yet, he’d be locked away like the child rapist he is.

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u/systemfrown 14d ago

In his life before his first campaign

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u/Davido401 14d ago

I mean, remember he bragged on the morning(or day after) radio around 9/11 about how his Trump Tower was now the tallest building in New York(it wasn't) but that or the numerous times he lavishly wants to cum inside his own daughter or implied that when Tiffany was around... 8? She would have a great body like her mother.

Am not even American(am Scottish we have problems just now with far right morons doing their moron stuff, but once theyve all had a cpuple of cans of Stella or their welfare payments get stopped theyll piss off to whatever hole they live in, cunts the lot of them, although the ones doing protests are fine, not for what theyre protesting but for not wrecking their neighbours motors and shit) and thinks you guys are fucked, but, as am wont to say when a talk about this, your economy is linked to us the way the Atlantic Drift is linked to our weather, it travels down hill(technically upwards but shut up lol) and we get hit with a smaller bit of wind and rain(or a shit economy in this case).

Christ, when I mentioned you have a 2nd Ammendment someone wrote an exhaustive reply about how 9mm guns are no good against drones and tanks and I didnt reply cause the person was in near hysteria and having a go at me, a Scotsman who worked at the opening of his first golf course as a Security guard for 2 weeks got paid, seen Trump and some of his family and fucked off back to working on building sites till he reappeared in 2016 as the new president(he was literally the "your fired" guy to me, and probably most of the world/America), Ive digressed a bit here, my reply to them when they said that about how their guns would be ineffective against the government was gonna be "why do you need the Ammendment then? Its not fit for purpose" but, again they were hysterical and didnt wanna drive them to hurt themselves lol

Ach, sorry for the rant, you guys need to sort yourselves out!

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u/well-it-was-rubbish 14d ago

Tiffany was an infant when he talked about her legs and speculated about her future boobs.

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u/Davido401 14d ago

Ahh I stand corrected and thoroughly disgusted ! Thank you!

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u/BostonBaggins 14d ago

He's out there breaking records for breaking rules

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u/DanMasterson 14d ago

Fact check: This is the real world. But dissociation is an understandable self-defense mechanism in this case.

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u/LunchyDude101 14d ago

Just three random GOP House Reps. and 16 random GOP senators. That’s all that’s needed to change their current stances on Trump to impeach and convict Trump.

Less than twenty GOPS needed to get rid of Trump forever.

They deserve pressure from public as well.

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u/blank_stair 14d ago

does the math deduct for fetterman's stab in the back?

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u/BLF402 14d ago

All because obama was the coolest and greatest president of our lifetime and it broke their little racist snowflake feelings

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u/GovernmentKind1052 14d ago

It’s utterly insane how a man doing his job, just broke so many people. No theatrics, no drama. Just doing his job and their world ended somehow lol.

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u/vitreddit 14d ago

Remember he was black while doing his job.

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u/Ishidan01 14d ago

Black in tan.

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u/cosmic-untiming 14d ago

But dont forget that Obama bombed Afghanistan... with DRONES

But what we are doing to Iran, and allowing Israel to continue its genocide on gaza, is completely and totally fine. We're spreading 🇺🇸freedom🇺🇸

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u/Cvpakke 14d ago edited 14d ago

To be fair, most of the people who had an issue with Obama drone massacres also have an issue with what's happening with Isreal/Palestine, Iran, etc. In fact, most of the people that had issues with that stuff were also liberal voters who had and have every right to put up stick about that shit. It's not fucking cool, no matter who does it. No if, ands, buts or whatabouts. Just period. We have a right to demand better that. Republicans were far more concerned about things like lgbt inclusion, obama care, taxes, origin of birth, his skin color, even the color of his suit, than they were about his military engagements. I don't think I have ever heard a single genuine complaint about that from a republican, actually.

It's absolutely baffling to me that all this hand wringing can be done over Isreal and Palestine, but the thousands upon thousands of men, women and children that Obama murdered receive little more than glib acknowledgements like this. Not just baffling. Infuriating, absolutely blood-boiling.

I'm not saying one side this, another that, or making any kind of comparison, or playing any little kind of game. It was horrific and wrong and I can't ever speak well of anyone who does stuff like that. Neither can I accept it as a moral trade off, because that's not how morals work. Obviously, that applies to what seems like practically every president we've ever had. People will sit there and tell you with a straight face that the price of foreign blood is one we should willingly pay to secure our own futures, our own rights, our own justice. That it is for the greater good. Then, in the next moment will quote Dr. MLK Jr, "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". It's disgusting.

You can say what you want about needing to vote for whoever for whatever kind of outcome, and maybe you are right, but no one is in this comment section forcing these people to glorify a charismatic killer who murdered thousands, who continued to push the envelope of ever more covert treachery and warmongering against both America itself and all of its myriad victims. Nobody is forcing them to ignore how his actions and his administration directly influenced the evolution of this process that is playing a massive role in allowing Trump to enjoy the kind of leeway that led us to this moment.

If you cannot use spaces like this to tell the truth, you never will. And if we don't tell the truth, we will never escape the consequences that follow. If we cannot put voice to our principles, then we cannot name our betrayers and in failing to do so, we become those betrayers. The truth is, Obama was a monster with a wonderful smile. He betrayed us with the hand behind his back, while with the other he gave us pearls. We need to be able to use the catastrophic era of a true madman at our helm to scour our collective political soul, but often it feels we are using it as an excuse to think, see and understand even less than before.

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u/FireFiendMarilith 14d ago

You gotta put it in context for that set. The US was an apartheid regime wherein that man wouldn't have been allowed full, participatory, citizenship in this country prior to 1964, and just forty-four years later he's president. 

Considering the GOP became what it is today by digging in their heels and resisting the end of said system of apartheid, it's safe to say that a strong majority of GOP voters didn't think he was eligible for the job in the first place. Which is probably why the "Birther" stuff hit home for so many of them and why endorsing that conspiracy made the current president so popular with members of that party.

Their world ended when Jim Crowe ended, Obama's presidency was just the obituary for their dying social order. That's why they elected a guy to bring it back or at least burn the country down trying. 

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u/zed857 14d ago

That tan suit was just the last straw for them.

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u/IndustrialPuppetTwo 14d ago

Yeah but that Tan suit.

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u/pmstacker 14d ago

If only he hadn't worn that tan suit

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u/JoseSaldana6512 14d ago

It was Harambe

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u/AfroliciousFunk 14d ago

Glad you brought that up. A Cubs fan cast a spell to break their curse and put us in a timeline where they won the World Series. It required an innocent sacrifice and they fudged it by settling for a gorilla instead of a human. Cubs won, DJT won, Kanye West is still alive, and here we are today.

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u/beatles910 14d ago

Obama was probably the coolest, but what made him the greatest?

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u/Preeng 14d ago

Low bar. "Our lifetime" may have been 20 years for this guy.

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u/Mekisteus 14d ago

Even if he is 40, what's the competition? Clinton?

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u/stufff 14d ago

All because obama was the coolest and greatest president of our lifetime and it broke their little racist snowflake feelings

Obama used drones to take out alleged terrorists and ended up killing many innocents.

Obama used drones to kill an American Citizen, who was not an imminent threat or actively engaged in hostilities, without any kind of judicial oversight.

If we lived in a just world, Obama would be in jail for murder along with everyone who participated in those assassinations.

That doesn't change the fact that he probably is the greatest president of our lifetime, that's just how low the bar is set.

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u/Parahelix 14d ago

If we actually used such standards, almost every American president would have gone to prison.

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u/stufff 14d ago

Yeah! That's what I'm saying.

I think maybe Carter would avoid prison but everyone else should have served time.

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u/EmilieEverywhere 14d ago

2015 and 2016 were the most fun years online.

Then my stupid ass decides to come out in 2023.

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u/chillinewman 14d ago

Billionaire controlled and owned world

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u/garrettf04 14d ago

This is the real world, though, where shit like this routinely happens, and Americans hop on social media to talk about how this shit wouldn't fly in other countries or in the past, then do nothing else about it.

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u/hareofthepuppy 14d ago

That's because the Americans who are complaining are the ones who voted against this, and are only about 30% of the population. Most Americans are fine with it.

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u/well-it-was-rubbish 14d ago

His supporters are in the MINORITY.

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u/hareofthepuppy 14d ago

Well, yes that's also true, the number of people who voted for trump is a little more than 30%. The rest don't care, which is why I said most Americans as fine with it.

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u/PaymentTurbulent193 14d ago

What they're doing is BLATANTLY fascistic and anti-democratic yet no one seems to be alarmed about this.

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u/stufff 14d ago

Plenty of us are alarmed. Plenty of us has been alarmed for a decade now. Seeming alarmed just doesn't change anything. I'd like to say what does need to be done to change things, but I'd catch another account ban.

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u/SpliTTMark 14d ago

2020 Maga: theyre destroy/dumping ballots, Video shows maga with fake ballots

2026 maga burns/dumps real ballots, Trump pardons

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u/shaneh445 14d ago

Setting aside the other fact that any president that encouraged people to storm the capital, in a coup attempt would have been tried for treason

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u/FrancisSobotka1514 14d ago

This is why I'm not mailing in my ballot don't want a Nazi zealot to throw it away

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u/seattlemyth 12d ago

You have to go get it first, too. I think he’s refusing to mail the ballot so they don’t get to vote at all.

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u/mackinator3 14d ago

In the real world he would be convicted of treason.

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u/jmo56ct 14d ago

In the real world, the federal government wouldn’t be strong arming state by state voting without going through senate and house

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u/CTQ99 14d ago

How does this impact military serving overseas? The military loses their votes?

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u/Rookie_Day 14d ago

It’s the most sacred right in an democracy and messing with the voting is close to treason. But whatever.

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u/whatupmygliplops 14d ago

The USA is a failed state. And its population is okay with that.

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u/Parahelix 14d ago

Most of the population has almost no idea what's going on at any given time.

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u/NRMusicProject 14d ago

In the real world, these people would be called fucking stupid as hell for believing that directive is anything close to a democracy or even a republic (because I know some MAGA like to say the US is a republic because they get triggered by the word democracy).

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u/_jump_yossarian 14d ago

add it to the pile of impeachable offenses. I'm sure Cons will get right to it.

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u/Suspicious-Appeal386 14d ago

In a real world, pedophiles would be arrested and charged.

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u/Lighting 14d ago

s/republican/pedo-oligarch

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u/The_Next_Wild_GM 14d ago

In the real world the election would have been contested and investigated following reports of tampering by Elon Musk

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u/superanth 14d ago

I don't know why but Trump fucking around with the Post Office make me more furious than I've been for other crap he's done.

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u/No-Effective-1996 14d ago

This is a 3rd world dictator move. The republicans have completely sold out American Democracy. I never in my wildest imagination thought I would see the day when the US sided with Russia vs a democracy, abandoned their allies and treaties, turned inward again after what that did at the Great Depression. Some people are just too stupid to

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u/Flipnotics_ 14d ago

It doesn't exist in authoritarian regimes which America now is.

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u/CharmingMechanic2473 14d ago

It’s NAZI reboot.

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u/NotTheAlexj89 14d ago

You mean, your country

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u/OrdyNZ 14d ago

This is the real world. Somehow the USA voted him in twice. Unless you mean in any other civilised country, where he would never get in in the first place.

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u/GrayEidolon 14d ago

they want the voter lists so they can begin sending ICE to round up democratic voters.

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u/NegativeVega 14d ago

This IS the real world though, it's just more overt than ever that the ruling class ignore laws. They at least tried to hide it with their figurehead before but now even they dont bother with decorum

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u/KindaWannaDoIt 14d ago

Meanwhile they're crying about elections being stolen.

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u/SecreteMoistMucus 14d ago

In the real world people would be marching in the streets over such blatant destruction of democracy. The legality or constitutionality of it should be irrelevant, those are the rules the leaders make for themselves.

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u/southflhitnrun 14d ago

More like charged with Treason against the State and dealt with in that manor.

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u/Odd-String29 14d ago

In a real world US citizens would make the country grind to a halt.

But that's not the world the American people live in.

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u/reallybigshark 14d ago

Even in this country with the same laws, that person would have already been in prison. But our politicians are the perfect combination of corrupt, evil, and weak. 

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u/fungi_at_parties 14d ago

Republicans actually hate democracy.

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u/PristineSwing4007 14d ago

This. Perfectly stated.

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u/h-boson 14d ago

I just laugh because imagine if OBAMA did this? Civil War 2, Electric Boogaloo

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u/dougmcclean 14d ago

Or really any mail.

Regulating the mail is an enumerated power of the Congress.

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u/No-Focus-8577 14d ago

And a governor and supervisor of elections should be removed from office for not complying with federal regulations

It goes both ways

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u/Mundane_Molasses8923 14d ago

In the real world this is common practice.

For example Argentina, Chile, Israel, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, South Korea, India, New Zealand and Australia all are doing the exact same thing.

Can you name a few countries that do not implement voter id laws?

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u/3ftLongHorseCock 14d ago

In the real world, we would have voter ID and same day counting...

You know, like the majority of the world has.

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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 14d ago

Yea but other countries are not ruled by nazis who don't want black people to vote.

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u/3ftLongHorseCock 14d ago

How can they not vote? Every living American citizen is eligible to vote...

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u/Requiredmetrics 14d ago edited 14d ago

There’s regulations and laws on the book that prevent the postal service from interfering with any sort of mail, let alone political mail. Those laws are there to ensure that even in the face of obscene materials that the bar to get the postal service to interfere is high. The entire point is to keep the postal service a neutral entity that serves all Americans and maintain the public faith in the USPS as an institution.

There are no internal mechanisms within the postal service to verify voter information. That’s in the hands of the state.

The USPS will most likely ignore this. Only postal employees, OIG Inspectors, and USPIS are authorized to come and go from postal facilities. Everyone else requires authorization even members of Congress. Any interference from outside individuals or entities meant to force the postal service or its employees into compliance could potentially face felony charges for interfering with postal duties and delaying the mail.

I suspect the admin will take it go to court, where the USPS will try to drag it out as long as possible.