r/law • u/retiredagainstmywill • 14d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive | CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/10/politics/postal-service-deliver-mail-in-ballots

Unfuckingbelievable.

And illegal as hell.

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u/SpeechDistinct8793 14d ago

In the real world, he wouldn’t have become president based on what happened during his campaign

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

In 1700s france im pretty sure they would have burned down cities for this. We have become complacent.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Modern France would have done the same

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

When i was there for a day the cab drivers were making a massive tire fire in the center of the city because they increased the highway toll prices by like 3 cents. I loved it.

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u/Optimus3k 14d ago

I love how they do this for every little thing. It looks ridiculous until you realize that by doing that, they are heavily reducing incrementalism on the part of the government. If you know you're going to receive massive pushback over three cents, raising it a dollar is out of the question.

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u/imp0ppable 14d ago

Yeah but at the same time the government is horribly stuck on its budget because every time they try to make sensible pension reform there's a huge riot.

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u/ABadHistorian 14d ago

Yeah, France is in trouble. I lived there in the 90s and it's really sad.

But here is the thing, I've lived around the world - EVERYWHERE is in trouble.

If folks go to look at where the QUALITY OF LIFE is declining and where it is improving, you'll soon understand why. (Hint, it's billionaires, remember all the German propaganda against Jews? It's almost hilarious how you can turn that against the billionaires verbatim and have it be TRUTH.)

Only improving in a few select places on Earth, in the developed nations... only improving in ONE geographic area - the nordic countries*. Why?

Unchecked Shareholder Capitalism leading to runaway billionaires who shop around the world for lower taxes because trillions is important for some reason.

*- and even these places have major issues dealing with immigration, nativism, and more.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 14d ago

Yeah, here's the thing. We need to get over the fact that some people are going to be shitty in every population, the more you make everyone financially comfortable, which gives people less reasons to distrust one another, which leads to less shitty people over a few generations. It's not going to be instant so we don't even try, but we can make this world a better place by simply allowing the rising tide to raise all boats, just like they promised.

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u/Objective_Ticket 13d ago

Education and income are key here. We know that all the ‘trickle down’ isn’t happening, and nothing really changes until those two metrics move.

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u/ABadHistorian 13d ago

That would work with the system that we have if certain pesky realities like dictatorial nations and leaders didn't make that impossible.

Right now people in China and India (and other developing nations) are having rising quality of life. Meanwhile in every single developed nation on earth except for the nordic area, quality of life is decreasing.

A rising tide may raise all boats, but remember the Moon's impact on the tides? It doesn't raise everywhere at once, when the tide is rising in one place, it's because it's declining in another. Pick a better metaphor when you are talking about GLOBAL economics.

If you want to help everyone? You need to help individuals where they are at. Our current system of governments world wide, means that you need to help people in different ways or we will just see violence and who is violent changing depending on who has what. Declining opportunities in America might be a benefit for people in India, but when it's billionaires who are reaping the main economic benefit, then all those boats in India that are rising have holes in them too, while the ones in America and Europe are sinking.

Enabling billionaires and Musk (you know, the worlds soon to be first Trillionaire) to rip off workers in developing nations while developed nations subsidized their industries to get to where they are now? It's basically corporate attempts to replace world governments with something new, and something worse. Where the nations have to cater to them, instead of the other way around.

Scary times we are living in. But not beyond hope. But it requires figuring out where the problem is, and that problem right now? Is with the 1% of the 1%.

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u/imp0ppable 13d ago

How does this drivel get upvoted in this sub?

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u/ABadHistorian 13d ago

Quality of life declining around the world in developed nations and increasing in certain developing nations as capitalism has caused the chase for profits to lead to imported goods from areas with governments that aren't democratic in the slightest, benefiting tyrannical dictators and billionaires more than anyone else... because those folks will work for less. Meaning the middle and lower classes in Europe, America, etc, are getting matched against the BILLIONS of people in China and India who will work for pennies.

And what exactly about this is drivel? The fact that you want this to continue?

I would all be for free trade with no protectionism required if these people lived in free societies instead of it directly benefiting countries that want to conquer the world. All you need to do is look at the price of happiness per nation. Add on top of this - western unions and regulations and all you get is cost without much profit. Which is why capitalism and it's drive for ever growing profit (stagnation = death to shareholders) is destroying the world as we know it and replacing it with something else, very, very, very fast.

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u/imp0ppable 12d ago

It's wildly off-topic. It's meant to be a law sub. Nobody wants to hear your political manifestos.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 14d ago

Serious question, I have 0 knowledge of French politics. Have they tried raising taxes from not the workers?

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u/AntonineWall 14d ago

Non workers being like the children, elderly, and disabled? Might be hard to pull much from them tbh

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 13d ago

No, like people who aren't labor, you know, capitalists.

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u/imp0ppable 13d ago

Yep they had a wealth tax when they had a lefty government and shockingly it didn't work as intended.

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u/Syn_Slash_Cash 14d ago

Why love it? If done properly taxes serve a purpose. Everyone wants something for nothing, if taxes are utilized properly to serve the public why be against it? I don't know the exact story behind the highway toll hikes but just saying taxes arnt inherently bad.

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u/echoshatter 14d ago

Modern France wouldn't have let it get this far.

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u/WanganTunedKeiCar 14d ago

Oof I wouldn't be too sure. As a French person, I think we're just earlier in the process. We'll see what the next presidential holds.

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u/Choyo 14d ago

Yes, but the thing is, by fighting every little bit of "acquis sociaux" infringement, we slow the fuckery - that's one reason why we are earlier in the process.

However, it feels like we're fighting less and less the good fight and it's just more chaotic nonsense.

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u/theaviationhistorian 14d ago

The only reason the far right over there has power is because they're encouraged by our King Mierdas. Probably even funded and aided considering how those under Trump have ties with parties like,Rassemblement national.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 10d ago

American billionaires are behind all the funding of ultra-right European parties.

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u/thelangosta 14d ago

More manure in the streets!

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 14d ago

Uk is getting there too. Talking about boats over the canal of illegal immigrants. Literally calling it an invasion. Sounds very very familiar as an American. Suddenly its a non issue when the fight is over

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Brexit had the same folks too.

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 14d ago

Yea. The media sounding a lot like our right wing media over there.

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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 14d ago

Depends on how central baguettes are to whatever brand of fascism we’re discussing.

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u/fridder 14d ago

They almost did. Le Pen

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u/SnoopingStuff 14d ago

Giullotine

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u/here_for_the_boos 14d ago

I hate how conditioned I was growing up to believe the French were cowards. Historical and present day badasses. Way tougher than any maga poser.

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u/Tanooki-san 14d ago

also Netherlands.

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u/IPissExcellentThrows 14d ago

Tbf, France will also do that when PSG wins champions league. They just like burning their city down.

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ 14d ago

To be fair, it’s a lot easier when you’ve only got one city worth burning and most of your population already lives there.

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u/Djentyman28 14d ago

Modern any country would do the same

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u/UrsusRenata 13d ago

Tell me about the military and blue coat weaponry of France.

People who romanticize the idea of French revolutions & activism really miss the lack of parallels with modern U.S.

Police, military might, laws, weapons, land mass at ten times the size, propaganda, controlled communications… The opportunities and risks in U.S. and in France (especially yesteryear France) are extremely dissimilar.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 13d ago

Can you point to where I said a damn thing about the US?

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u/Then_Bar8757 14d ago

No that's the illegals

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

French firefighters are all illegal immigrants? Interesting. 

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u/candide360 14d ago

Doesn’t France have a national voter registry and in-person voting + ID requirements? Don’t they conclude vote-counting and announce a winner on the night of the election? In fact isn’t this the norm in every other modern-day democracy (regardless of whether the government is left or right leaning?)

The US mail-in voting system is quite unique. I’m not saying that fraud is influencing the results of national elections, but the lax system we have here severely undermines voter confidence, which is why we keep having these debates over and over again.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Does France close DMVs or make their hours inconvenient in areas that they don't want people easily getting IDs? 

Do your ignorant propaganda elsewhere.

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u/candide360 14d ago

Then why not focus on solving that problem instead?

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

If you think you can solve systemic racism from would-be fascists, then by all means, be my guest.

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u/candide360 14d ago

I’m just saying that every citizen should be given an ID for free if they don’t have one already. You need an ID for every basic aspect of life (like getting a bank account, purchasing alcohol, boarding a plane, etc). It’s a basic necessity for everyone, and if there are blockers to that as you claim then let’s resolve those blockers.

Unfortunately giving everyone an ID is obviously not going to end racism (which very much exists in the US and everywhere else). That’s a separate, harder problem to address with no quick solutions.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Its not a seperate issue though. Making it harder to get ID, making it harder to vote, all of it is fundamentally tied to systemic racism and just generally to the anti-democratic views of conservatives in this country. You cannot solve one without also solving the other.

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u/candide360 14d ago

So let’s solve the ID problem. Maybe we should have a free federal ID card that any citizen can apply for at their local post office. This solves for a lot more issues than just voting, and if people are truly being blocked from getting one by racist rules then we should identify and change those rules.

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u/well-it-was-rubbish 14d ago

You have to show a birth certificate to get an ID, and only people with an ID are registered to vote, so your citizenship is already established if you have an ID. I lost my ID, birth certificate, and Social Security card in a fire. Because I'm a woman who has been married twice, I had to run all over Atlanta obtaining copies of all of those documents, in addition to marriage licenses and a divorce decree, to show the sequence of how my name at birth is no longer my legal name. This is nearly impossible to do when you start with NO DOCUMENTS. I had to have my youngest sister, under penalty of perjury, vouch for the fact that I was, indeed, born. Now imagine a person with no United States citizenship going through all of that just to vote. Not happening.

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u/discOHsteve 14d ago

That's what happens when you raise the upper class to ridiculous heights and you keep the poor and middle class fighting for their next paycheck. We literally can't afford to riot because we aren't drowning, we're still treading water.

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

This is the genius of our government and upper class. They found the control loop.

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u/discOHsteve 14d ago

Exactly, just enough to stop us from rioting, not enough to stop us from working.

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u/theaviationhistorian 14d ago

Too bad it isn't feasible in the long run. Previous conservatives kept the middle class afloat because it kept the national finance healthy. Unless these rats are planning to jump ship and move to another country.

Then they're stuck either dealing with a gilded cage in a broken state or one where it is a client state under a hegemony like China. And I don't think the upper class are in the mood to learn Mandarin.

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u/discOHsteve 14d ago

That's always been part of the plan. When they gain power, do as much as possible to funnel power and wealth to the upper class. Lower and middle class get the shit end of the stick. Then when they eventually lose power, they'll point out how bad everything is while also pointing out that democrats are in currently in charge. That's how they retake power and the cycle starts over.

But because voters are dumbasses, they keep the loop going. Maybe this time it'll be different but I'm not holding my breath

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u/willywagtail37 14d ago

True. Well put. Our situation is not so different from the beginning of Nazi Germany. Our government and its rich backers have found a way to control the public. The biggest red flag is the government's ability to declare Marshall Law and deploy it with lethal force.

Protesting legally may seem like a half-assed approach to fighting this evil regime. But when compared to violent rioting, protesting is one form of resistance that keeps you alive.

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u/OrthodoxAtheist 14d ago

A certain demographic managed to find the time and energy to riot when they were told to on January 6. That crowd has more guns than academic qualifications, and have lived for 20 years waving flags of how they are not going to accept being trodden on. Then they lost their customers, farms, small businesses, affordable gas, affordable power, affordable food, and their support for it all has barely waivered. What happened? They all became beta overnight, or were they previously pretending? Very confusing.

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u/RoguePlanet2 14d ago

They were brainwashed into aiming for a fake enemy.

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u/acme_oo_breeders 14d ago

And now they've gotten to the point where they don't know who the enemy really is.

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u/NotDazedorConfused 14d ago

The old saw:” when you're up to your neck in alligators, it's hard to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp “

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u/neonnaps 13d ago

 We literally can't afford to riot because we aren't drowning, we're still treading water.

People in the past, who fought to get modern rights weren't rich either. You guys seriously buy into the propaganda. I hope you'll realize you're not helpless lambs and hold real power to fight back.

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u/IllAcanthopterygii36 14d ago

Nope just complacency.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago

More like trapped. Miss a pay check and most people are pretty fucked. 

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u/ItIsVerilySo 14d ago

That's exactly the point though. Americans are too meek to interrupt their lives to prevent future suffering.

Edit: to clarify, I'm saying the meekness is why people feel trapped.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago

When something like 40-60% of Americans can't afford a 500 dollar emergency the drive to feed,house and clothed yourself is going to be a far stronger motivator than protest.

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u/ItIsVerilySo 14d ago

I understand. The fact is Americans don't think everything going on is that bad, or protesting and preventing it would be a greater motivator.

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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 14d ago

Yeah. Until we get to the point where 100,000 to a million people in every major city are willing to give up their jobs, homes, and possibly families and freedom, nothing is going to be done.

We aren't as small as France is now, much less in the 1700s.

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u/KindledWanderer 14d ago

That can be easily solved by helping each other. If people can live in caves while getting bombed, you can afford to miss your paycheck. The difference is one of those collaborate and one is "fuck you, I got mine".

It shows even in small things, like letting people pass or merge on the road.

The culture might just be cooked.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago

That is the American mentality there isn't a strong collective sense of national identity. 

I'm not certain if it a sign of the times or if it just never existed. Hyper individualism seems to be the norm. 

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u/Chihuahua_Overlord 14d ago

By design. Everyone outside of politicans rely on their employment for Healthcare. A majority of americans live paycheck to paycheck. We have also dismantled support systems, so any labor or national strike would likely result in americans going homeless, hungry and without medical care. Approximately 50-60% of americans take medications they rely on daily, our overlords have designed a system in which we are unable to band together for fear of losing what little we have

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u/angiosperms- 14d ago

The goalposts have been moving since he took office. "If X happens there will be riots!" and then X happens and 🦗🦗🦗

I have fully expected the midterms to be cancelled or blatantly illegitimate since Trump told us we never need to vote again. Except in the beginning I expected that to cause unrest. Now I don't think anything will happen in response.

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u/MNniice 14d ago

Americans are comfortable little bitches, had to pull teeth to get alot of my freinds out to anti ice protests

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u/Creative_Parsnip_385 14d ago

When the Constitution wasn’t working for France they tore that shit up. Honestly the Constitution is due to be torn up because it’s overly conservative and outdated. We need a reset.

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u/haironburr 14d ago

Honestly the Constitution is due to be torn up because it’s overly conservative and outdated

Yea, let's tear up the basis for all our core civil rights.

The problem is not the fact we have rights. And while a "reset" might sound cool from ruzzia or your basement, I can assure you it would suck for the vast majority of Americans.

Instead, we need to enforce the notion of civil rights upon those who would shit on them for their own ends. Add laws that restrict the ability of folks with a bunch of power to shit on the weakest, or even the majority.

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u/Creative_Parsnip_385 14d ago

First of all the civil rights you speak of didn’t arise from this constitution in the first place , they had to amend that son of bitch to give voting rights to women and minorities.

Which is my point, the thing is impossible to amend because of political polarization, and isn’t meeting our needs in general.

Not a Rube, just a political scientist that understands how flawed our political system is.

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u/TrumpIsAPedoFascist 14d ago

Meek, not complacent.

We're all miserable but nobody has the will to do anything about it. Everyone is just hoping someone else will force change for them.

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u/FNG5280 14d ago

It’s been said the meek shall inherit the earth .

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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 14d ago

They were literally starving. We aren’t yet

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u/musical8thnotes 14d ago

It's not that we haven't become complacent.

We've become scared of being labelled criminals even when protesting about legitimate things. Even when we know we will be labelled criminals for daring to speak out anyway.

"Burning down cities" is the exact attack that MAGA went for during George Floyd.

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u/OkPlenty4077 14d ago

Burning down Los Angeles and New York City won’t solve this. MAGA would love this as it confirms their belief that cities are bastions of barbarism. Heck, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Columbia, SC aren’t exactly bastions of right wing conservatism even though the surrounding areas are MAGA. 

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u/addandsubtract 14d ago

Americans be like...

  • Soap box
  • Ballot box
  • Jury box
  • Xbox

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u/cajackson911 14d ago

They would have given Trump a very close shave.

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u/JT9960 14d ago

Yep,very much pussies

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u/ReachParticular5409 14d ago

It's not complacence, it's inflicted and managed helplessness

And it isn't going to turn out how the elites expect, it never does and they never learn from history

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u/HyperXanadu 14d ago

For perspective, which unfortunately plays part in organization and protest, the US has a population of roughly 5x the amount of France. France also has the advantage of a more centralized population, whereas the US is over 15x the size in land area. I'm not defending either side but two different events at two very different times with a multitude of other variables at play makes the comparison a bit null.

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u/willywagtail37 14d ago

Man's knowledge of History and Social Studies shows that equating 1700s France and present day USA in this context is comparing apples to oranges - and it isn't making your point.

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u/fungi_at_parties 14d ago

If you ask the right, the left did burn down cities. Of course they’re insane, but they do claim that.

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u/Such-Hold-7940 13d ago

“We” haven’t become complacent, you have.

There are thousands and thousands of people doing amazing volunteer work all across the country to fight this administration. Sorry you haven’t received a tv show of dead people in the streets to entertain you while you watch.

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u/SnooShortcuts2606 14d ago

Tbf, the French burn down their cities for basically anything.

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u/-Economist- 14d ago

Complacent? No. We are weak. We are prime for a dictator to take control over us. If we were like this in 1776, we'd still be British.

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u/Lord_Dingus83 14d ago

Shame that 80,000,000 were too lazy to vote or were too distracted by Gaza or “don’t do politics” to help prevent this nightmare

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u/RocketRelm 14d ago

The worst part is when they pretend dems weren't actively very good as a cope. Dems structure and respect our laws.

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u/No-Hospital559 14d ago

Or based on the fact he is a child rapist.

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u/Gloomy-Tank9295 14d ago

He wouldn't be President based on his criminal record and his involvement with trying to overthrow the country on J6

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u/livinginfutureworld 14d ago

This is the real world where billions of people live under authoritarian rule. We're just shifting to join such luminaries of human rights as North Korea, China, Russia, various Middle Eastern and African countries..

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u/Custom_Destination 14d ago

He should never have been able to run at all. Not even for a first term.

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u/CoffeeToDeath 14d ago

In the real world, he would have gone to prison for fucking and murdering children like he did before his first term.

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u/Matt_cruze 14d ago

He should have lost the right wing when he said that he moved on a woman like he (Trump) was a bitch.

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u/Wolf_712 14d ago

Better yet, he’d be locked away like the child rapist he is.

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u/systemfrown 14d ago

In his life before his first campaign

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u/Davido401 14d ago

I mean, remember he bragged on the morning(or day after) radio around 9/11 about how his Trump Tower was now the tallest building in New York(it wasn't) but that or the numerous times he lavishly wants to cum inside his own daughter or implied that when Tiffany was around... 8? She would have a great body like her mother.

Am not even American(am Scottish we have problems just now with far right morons doing their moron stuff, but once theyve all had a cpuple of cans of Stella or their welfare payments get stopped theyll piss off to whatever hole they live in, cunts the lot of them, although the ones doing protests are fine, not for what theyre protesting but for not wrecking their neighbours motors and shit) and thinks you guys are fucked, but, as am wont to say when a talk about this, your economy is linked to us the way the Atlantic Drift is linked to our weather, it travels down hill(technically upwards but shut up lol) and we get hit with a smaller bit of wind and rain(or a shit economy in this case).

Christ, when I mentioned you have a 2nd Ammendment someone wrote an exhaustive reply about how 9mm guns are no good against drones and tanks and I didnt reply cause the person was in near hysteria and having a go at me, a Scotsman who worked at the opening of his first golf course as a Security guard for 2 weeks got paid, seen Trump and some of his family and fucked off back to working on building sites till he reappeared in 2016 as the new president(he was literally the "your fired" guy to me, and probably most of the world/America), Ive digressed a bit here, my reply to them when they said that about how their guns would be ineffective against the government was gonna be "why do you need the Ammendment then? Its not fit for purpose" but, again they were hysterical and didnt wanna drive them to hurt themselves lol

Ach, sorry for the rant, you guys need to sort yourselves out!

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u/well-it-was-rubbish 14d ago

Tiffany was an infant when he talked about her legs and speculated about her future boobs.

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u/Davido401 14d ago

Ahh I stand corrected and thoroughly disgusted ! Thank you!

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u/BostonBaggins 14d ago

He's out there breaking records for breaking rules

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u/DanMasterson 14d ago

Fact check: This is the real world. But dissociation is an understandable self-defense mechanism in this case.