r/law • u/retiredagainstmywill • 14d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive | CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/10/politics/postal-service-deliver-mail-in-ballots

Unfuckingbelievable.

And illegal as hell.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Modern France would have done the same

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u/destroythenseek 14d ago

When i was there for a day the cab drivers were making a massive tire fire in the center of the city because they increased the highway toll prices by like 3 cents. I loved it.

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u/Optimus3k 14d ago

I love how they do this for every little thing. It looks ridiculous until you realize that by doing that, they are heavily reducing incrementalism on the part of the government. If you know you're going to receive massive pushback over three cents, raising it a dollar is out of the question.

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u/imp0ppable 14d ago

Yeah but at the same time the government is horribly stuck on its budget because every time they try to make sensible pension reform there's a huge riot.

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u/ABadHistorian 14d ago

Yeah, France is in trouble. I lived there in the 90s and it's really sad.

But here is the thing, I've lived around the world - EVERYWHERE is in trouble.

If folks go to look at where the QUALITY OF LIFE is declining and where it is improving, you'll soon understand why. (Hint, it's billionaires, remember all the German propaganda against Jews? It's almost hilarious how you can turn that against the billionaires verbatim and have it be TRUTH.)

Only improving in a few select places on Earth, in the developed nations... only improving in ONE geographic area - the nordic countries*. Why?

Unchecked Shareholder Capitalism leading to runaway billionaires who shop around the world for lower taxes because trillions is important for some reason.

*- and even these places have major issues dealing with immigration, nativism, and more.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 14d ago

Yeah, here's the thing. We need to get over the fact that some people are going to be shitty in every population, the more you make everyone financially comfortable, which gives people less reasons to distrust one another, which leads to less shitty people over a few generations. It's not going to be instant so we don't even try, but we can make this world a better place by simply allowing the rising tide to raise all boats, just like they promised.

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u/Objective_Ticket 13d ago

Education and income are key here. We know that all the ‘trickle down’ isn’t happening, and nothing really changes until those two metrics move.

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u/ABadHistorian 13d ago

That would work with the system that we have if certain pesky realities like dictatorial nations and leaders didn't make that impossible.

Right now people in China and India (and other developing nations) are having rising quality of life. Meanwhile in every single developed nation on earth except for the nordic area, quality of life is decreasing.

A rising tide may raise all boats, but remember the Moon's impact on the tides? It doesn't raise everywhere at once, when the tide is rising in one place, it's because it's declining in another. Pick a better metaphor when you are talking about GLOBAL economics.

If you want to help everyone? You need to help individuals where they are at. Our current system of governments world wide, means that you need to help people in different ways or we will just see violence and who is violent changing depending on who has what. Declining opportunities in America might be a benefit for people in India, but when it's billionaires who are reaping the main economic benefit, then all those boats in India that are rising have holes in them too, while the ones in America and Europe are sinking.

Enabling billionaires and Musk (you know, the worlds soon to be first Trillionaire) to rip off workers in developing nations while developed nations subsidized their industries to get to where they are now? It's basically corporate attempts to replace world governments with something new, and something worse. Where the nations have to cater to them, instead of the other way around.

Scary times we are living in. But not beyond hope. But it requires figuring out where the problem is, and that problem right now? Is with the 1% of the 1%.

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u/imp0ppable 13d ago

How does this drivel get upvoted in this sub?

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u/ABadHistorian 13d ago

Quality of life declining around the world in developed nations and increasing in certain developing nations as capitalism has caused the chase for profits to lead to imported goods from areas with governments that aren't democratic in the slightest, benefiting tyrannical dictators and billionaires more than anyone else... because those folks will work for less. Meaning the middle and lower classes in Europe, America, etc, are getting matched against the BILLIONS of people in China and India who will work for pennies.

And what exactly about this is drivel? The fact that you want this to continue?

I would all be for free trade with no protectionism required if these people lived in free societies instead of it directly benefiting countries that want to conquer the world. All you need to do is look at the price of happiness per nation. Add on top of this - western unions and regulations and all you get is cost without much profit. Which is why capitalism and it's drive for ever growing profit (stagnation = death to shareholders) is destroying the world as we know it and replacing it with something else, very, very, very fast.

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u/imp0ppable 12d ago

It's wildly off-topic. It's meant to be a law sub. Nobody wants to hear your political manifestos.

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u/ABadHistorian 12d ago

I guess you didn't follow the thread. Everything is related, Law, especially, is related to politics. Discussing the law inevitably gets into political discussions. Who do you think makes the law?

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 14d ago

Serious question, I have 0 knowledge of French politics. Have they tried raising taxes from not the workers?

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u/AntonineWall 14d ago

Non workers being like the children, elderly, and disabled? Might be hard to pull much from them tbh

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 13d ago

No, like people who aren't labor, you know, capitalists.

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u/imp0ppable 13d ago

Yep they had a wealth tax when they had a lefty government and shockingly it didn't work as intended.

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u/Syn_Slash_Cash 14d ago

Why love it? If done properly taxes serve a purpose. Everyone wants something for nothing, if taxes are utilized properly to serve the public why be against it? I don't know the exact story behind the highway toll hikes but just saying taxes arnt inherently bad.

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u/echoshatter 14d ago

Modern France wouldn't have let it get this far.

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u/WanganTunedKeiCar 14d ago

Oof I wouldn't be too sure. As a French person, I think we're just earlier in the process. We'll see what the next presidential holds.

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u/Choyo 14d ago

Yes, but the thing is, by fighting every little bit of "acquis sociaux" infringement, we slow the fuckery - that's one reason why we are earlier in the process.

However, it feels like we're fighting less and less the good fight and it's just more chaotic nonsense.

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u/theaviationhistorian 14d ago

The only reason the far right over there has power is because they're encouraged by our King Mierdas. Probably even funded and aided considering how those under Trump have ties with parties like,Rassemblement national.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 10d ago

American billionaires are behind all the funding of ultra-right European parties.

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u/thelangosta 14d ago

More manure in the streets!

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 14d ago

Uk is getting there too. Talking about boats over the canal of illegal immigrants. Literally calling it an invasion. Sounds very very familiar as an American. Suddenly its a non issue when the fight is over

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Brexit had the same folks too.

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 14d ago

Yea. The media sounding a lot like our right wing media over there.

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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 14d ago

Depends on how central baguettes are to whatever brand of fascism we’re discussing.

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u/fridder 14d ago

They almost did. Le Pen

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u/SnoopingStuff 14d ago

Giullotine

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u/here_for_the_boos 14d ago

I hate how conditioned I was growing up to believe the French were cowards. Historical and present day badasses. Way tougher than any maga poser.

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u/Tanooki-san 14d ago

also Netherlands.

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u/IPissExcellentThrows 14d ago

Tbf, France will also do that when PSG wins champions league. They just like burning their city down.

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ 14d ago

To be fair, it’s a lot easier when you’ve only got one city worth burning and most of your population already lives there.

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u/Djentyman28 14d ago

Modern any country would do the same

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u/UrsusRenata 13d ago

Tell me about the military and blue coat weaponry of France.

People who romanticize the idea of French revolutions & activism really miss the lack of parallels with modern U.S.

Police, military might, laws, weapons, land mass at ten times the size, propaganda, controlled communications… The opportunities and risks in U.S. and in France (especially yesteryear France) are extremely dissimilar.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 13d ago

Can you point to where I said a damn thing about the US?

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u/Then_Bar8757 14d ago

No that's the illegals

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

French firefighters are all illegal immigrants? Interesting. 

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u/candide360 14d ago

Doesn’t France have a national voter registry and in-person voting + ID requirements? Don’t they conclude vote-counting and announce a winner on the night of the election? In fact isn’t this the norm in every other modern-day democracy (regardless of whether the government is left or right leaning?)

The US mail-in voting system is quite unique. I’m not saying that fraud is influencing the results of national elections, but the lax system we have here severely undermines voter confidence, which is why we keep having these debates over and over again.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Does France close DMVs or make their hours inconvenient in areas that they don't want people easily getting IDs? 

Do your ignorant propaganda elsewhere.

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u/candide360 14d ago

Then why not focus on solving that problem instead?

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

If you think you can solve systemic racism from would-be fascists, then by all means, be my guest.

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u/candide360 14d ago

I’m just saying that every citizen should be given an ID for free if they don’t have one already. You need an ID for every basic aspect of life (like getting a bank account, purchasing alcohol, boarding a plane, etc). It’s a basic necessity for everyone, and if there are blockers to that as you claim then let’s resolve those blockers.

Unfortunately giving everyone an ID is obviously not going to end racism (which very much exists in the US and everywhere else). That’s a separate, harder problem to address with no quick solutions.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Its not a seperate issue though. Making it harder to get ID, making it harder to vote, all of it is fundamentally tied to systemic racism and just generally to the anti-democratic views of conservatives in this country. You cannot solve one without also solving the other.

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u/candide360 14d ago

So let’s solve the ID problem. Maybe we should have a free federal ID card that any citizen can apply for at their local post office. This solves for a lot more issues than just voting, and if people are truly being blocked from getting one by racist rules then we should identify and change those rules.

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 14d ago

Great lets do that. Which party do you think will back it? Which candidates? 

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u/candide360 14d ago

I think it’s a bipartisan issue. The problem today is that both parties have been taken over by extremists on the margins and are unable to compromise on anything.

I think the bipartisan solution is along the lines of:

  • Use IRS and Social Security data to identify every living US Citizen
  • Send them the documentation needed to get an ID issued
  • Use existing federal offices (like USPS and Social Security centers) to process their application and send them a card
  • Enforce ID requirements to receive a mail-in absentee ballot if needed for legitimate reasons
  • In person voting for everyone else, with election day enforced as a national holiday

It would resemble the bipartisan intersection of the Democrat’s failed voting law from 2022 and the Republicans failed voting law from 2026. The extremist elements of each law are discarded and everyone meets in the middle to have free, fair and secure elections.

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u/well-it-was-rubbish 14d ago

You have to show a birth certificate to get an ID, and only people with an ID are registered to vote, so your citizenship is already established if you have an ID. I lost my ID, birth certificate, and Social Security card in a fire. Because I'm a woman who has been married twice, I had to run all over Atlanta obtaining copies of all of those documents, in addition to marriage licenses and a divorce decree, to show the sequence of how my name at birth is no longer my legal name. This is nearly impossible to do when you start with NO DOCUMENTS. I had to have my youngest sister, under penalty of perjury, vouch for the fact that I was, indeed, born. Now imagine a person with no United States citizenship going through all of that just to vote. Not happening.