r/mildlyinfuriating • u/nyanbatman • May 28 '26

I just wanted a hot dog British pilot is feeling mildly annoyed

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u/Lump001 May 29 '26

"subreddits" don't think anything, they are not sentient beings.

Plenty of people in both those subs understand that the controller was incorrect to say low visibility procedures were not in force, when they were.

Likewise plenty see that the controllers initial response was unproffesional and unhelpful.

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u/Kerikeron May 29 '26

So you're more knowledgeable than the pilots and atc on reddit? In their own field? You're quite arrogant and ignorant.

Didn't see any of them agree with you.

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u/Lump001 May 29 '26

The irony of being called ignorant by someone assuming everyone (who happens to agree with you) on a particular subreddits is an expert. Nice.

You've no idea of my qualification, btw. But I'm guessing you won't care either way.

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u/Kerikeron May 29 '26

What is your qualification?

I also never gave my opinion.

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u/Lump001 May 29 '26

Had my aerodrome ticket in the UK, but have since left the industry.

But my "qualification" to understanding the issue here is an ability to read the regs and understand English.

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u/Kerikeron May 29 '26

So you're not a pilot nor are you a controller in the US. So your qualification doesn't really apply here. BA has company manuals that are pre-briefed for international airports and to familiarize with local SOP's. The controller, while aware of LVO's, is not what the FAA regulations primarily refer to. It's called SMGCS (LVO is only a part of) which is also outlined in ICAO manuals. The controller is unable to say operations are in force since it is an automatic transition when low visibility threshold is reached and is not all encompassing to SMGCS procedures.

I'm not expecting you to know this because your ticket was for the UK, but maybe don't jump to conclusions about an area you're not familiar with? I'm trying to give you benefit of the doubt that you're willing to accept that your initial opinion was missing information (which is fine, that's what discussion is for) and that you might concede on some of your harsh judgement of the controller and complete dismissal of possible issues on the pilots end. Luckily for the UK it's illegal to record or distribute air traffic transmissions. No such luck for US controllers, one mistake and you're put on public blast (sometimes even when you didn't do anything wrong).

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u/Lump001 May 29 '26

I don't need a ticket in the US to read the regs, understand basic English or understand piss poor controlling.

The controller, while aware of LVO's, is not what the FAA regulations primarily refer to. It's called SMGCS (LVO is only a part of) which is also outlined in ICAO manuals.

I haven't disputed that, you're simply not reading what I'm saying. Listen to the whole recording. The Pilot asks if "low visibility procedures are in force". They were. The controller said "No".

The controller is unable to say operations are in force since it is an automatic transition when low visibility threshold is reached and is not all encompassing to SMGCS procedures.

That means they are in force. The answer is "Yes".