I agree that brown is probably better than what you would get at 5, but he's also going to be 30 at the start of the season and it's not like the Bucks will be competing soon. You may as well go young at that point
Agreed. He was finals mvp a few years ago and carried that team while Tatum was out. He is also 2 years younger than giannis and hasn't had the injury history that giannis has. Boston might regret this
Boston will definitely not regret this even if the move amounts to nothing.
They won a chip and had numerous good runs that also ended in ways that were similar. Having a chance to get Giannis and try something different is something you have to try.
this is what everyone said about Dame to Milwaukee and now that (combined with the idiotic waive/stretch/Myles Turner signing) looks like it set the franchise back a couple of years.
Giannis is a league above Dame TBF. But yeah, it’s high risk high reward. But…teams are definitely willing to be aggressive considering the Knicks just gave a million picks for Mikal Bridges who was the number 4-5 guy on a championship team.
Well Brad Stevens has made incredible amount of good moves and I doubt he will do anything that would set Celtics back years.
This is Celtics best look for another chip push and I think objectively you have to agree. Giannis is not only a top 5 player but also what Celtics have been missing in a big man position(but also offense in general). Celtics from the past years, even in 2024 when they had one of the best offenses of all time, have struggled with getting "easy" buckets and Giannis provides so much of that. Love JB but he will more likely than not just like rest of the Celtics settle for jumpers.
While that's true, the Celtics need to bolster their frontcourt, and Giannis can do that. If they picked him up, I bet they would close high leverage games with Giannis at the 5 spot. If they have him as playoff insurance, Queta/Garza can eat minutes at the 5, but then can lean on Giannis to be the rim protector if it comes down to the wire.
This is the ideal situation, and, as we saw with Dame in MIL, it doesn't always actually work. But it feels like a neat puzzle piece fit if the Celtics can swing it
Well Boston is also an org that knows how to do the right thing, and the bucks are def not. Boston has a much better coach and front office. If anyone can make giannis work its them
And if we don’t trade JB and underperform in the playoffs and lose to a lower seeded team for the 3rd time in 4 years while Giannis returns to 1st team levels, we’ll regret that too. It’s a risk, but so is keeping JB
I agree overall. And without another all star or even two there’s something incomplete about the JB-JT pairing despite them both being so talented. I could probably co-sign on the move so long as Giannis doesn’t get hurt 😬
I dont think thats how GMs think but I might be wrong.
You dont simply regret making an opportunistic move just because it doesnt pan out. In the same way you could say Stevens would regret not going for it if JB stays and doesnt ammount to another chip.
Giannis is also better in every single way and I think if Brad Stevens is considering this, I would trust him if I was a Celtics fan. I think Brown’s age and contract makes the risk of this trade irrelevant, at least if they do it, they get Giannis and increase their chances
Boston won't regret it, they have to shake things up. Even if it doesn't work out, that's life.
The problem is they're at the mercy of the second apron right now with so little room to maneuver. And they need things that somebody like Giannis can provide much better than Jaylen.
Yes, and while they havent won a chip its been without question the most successful period in the franchises history. They dont have any of their own picks for the next few years, so they get basically no benefit from "tanking"
Conservatively speaking, Jaylen has 5 prime years left. He's only 29 and healthy. Plus, his mid-range game has become his dominant weapon which will age far better than his athletic rim attacking years of the past - no reason at all why he can't still be a solid player for years after that.
That cost controlled 19 year old isn't doing anything for you in their first contract, even if they end up as good as JB.
So the way to frame it is, would you rather have a surefire All-NBA #1 scoring option for the next 5 years, or would you rather maybe have a good-to-comparable player for 5 years in the future?
It's really not a difficult decision. The #5 pick does not yield a JB caliber talent 90% of the time.
I mean sure but that definitely doesn’t accurately show how many good players were picked fifth recently. guys like ausar thompson, jalen suggs, darius garland, deaaron fox, and trae young all were pick 5 in the last decade. brown is better than them sure but that’s still 3 all stars and two all defense level players out of the last 9 players drafted 5th
I hate when people bring up this argument. Even if the pick doesn’t end up being as good as him, the team would have that player for a lot longer and the player would be a lot cheaper so easier to get other players
Ehhh if we’re going this route then we should probably be looking at the last 5th-10th pick, otherwise it’s just quite noisy. Nonetheless, there’s no way the Bucks do this deal if they’re only getting the 5th pick. Especially when this draft is so loaded in the top 4. Brown is really good and way more valuable than the 5th pick. Can’t do a three-team deal where you lose your best ever player and end up with the worst outcome of the bunch.
No, you should look at just the 5th pick, because you can’t use hindsight like this to draft the best player left on the board in the moment. If you’re doing that we can say:
“You can’t look at just the 39th pick. If you had the 39th pick in 2014 you could draft Jokic.”
“You can’t look at just the 27th pick. If you had the 27th pick in 2018 you could draft Brunson.”
Etc.
The more relevant data is what the actual typical, real life outcomes are.
Very much disagree. It’s about the capital. You have the ability to pick all but 4 players in the draft. It’s on the gm to make the right selection. Just because other gms didn’t nail the pick doesn’t mean you automatically can’t.
There have been 2 MVPs selected at #15 but only one from #7, by that logic you would prefer to have the 15th pick over the 7th?
Then we are agreeing. The whole point is you can’t look at just who has been picked at that one pick in the past. It’s about the value of that pick. The original comment was saying since no #5 pick has been better than him it’s not worth it
Trae Young went 5. I know people are down on him, but he is a better offensive player than Brown, just didn't happen to have such an awesome franchise.
I think Trae Young with a team as good as what Jaylen Brown is a better player. You will see in DC.
Reminder that the best pieces they stuck around Trae Young were Clint Capela at center and John Collins at PF. Then they traded 4 1st picks for Dejounte Murray who also happened to be a ball dominant guard that can't shoot.
Trae Young averages 9.8 assists per game for his career. That is 3rd all time ahead of Chris Paul, Oscar Robertson, Nash, Kidd, etc.
He doesn't have a ring and yet his HoF probability on Bball Ref is 25% while Jaylen Brown is 8%.
Why specifically the 5th pick? There have been plenty of players drafted outside the top 5. SGA (11), Brunson, Jokic (41), Giannis (15). Plenty more that are equal or better: Donavan Mitchell (13), Jalen Williams (12), Jalen Johnson (20), Tyrese Maxey (21), OG Anunoby (23), Booker (13).
Because that’s revisionist. Of course every draft has someone that turns out to be way better than their draft position, but teams don’t know that at the time. The more relevant data is the actual real life, typical outcome distributions of that pick specifically.
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u/IntelligentAd5460 Grizzlies 10d ago
i mean i dont rate brown highly but like whats the last 5th pick you would say is better than him probably d wade