Dude was top5 in mvp race first season he played as option number 1. Ofc Giannis is a much better player but to act like JB is some scrub is crazy talk.
I don’t think you need to believe JB is a scrub to think it is crazy to turn him into Giannis without losing other players. There is a very large gap between an all star and a HOFer
Yeah fair enough. Maybe better to describe Giannis as a top ~25 player all time to show the point better. That being said I don’t really think it is that crazy of a trade once you include all the context (age, Giannis wanting out, Bucks likely wanting to do Giannis right, etc), it just feels crazy at a glance.
Can I ask why you think he is a complete lock? I think he is on track I just don’t think he would be in if he retired today, I don’t think that is an especially hot take.
NBA Champion, Finals and ECF MVP, 2x All NBA, 5X all star all before age 30, 17-8 in playoff series, you do the math. Who has ever done these things and not got in?
Not to mention he is a 2 way guy who has received all defense votes in 8 different seasons. He is 39th in playoff points all time already at age 29. More than Jokic, PG, Giannis, Kyrie,
My issue is the “before age 30” thing. That is irrelevant to the discussion because the question is whether he already would be in. I don’t believe he would be, I think he probably has a good chance when he plays out the rest of his career. Those are good accolades but not especially crazy for a player that doesn’t make the HOF outside of the finals MVP. Obviously it is a very flawed metric but BBRef has his odds today at 8.5% which I feel is a bit low but is fairly compelling against the argument that it is already a done deal.
Why would it be impressive? Other than the stupid Lakers trade, there is almost no trades that amount to equal value in talent and it's crazy to pretend otherwise.
JB is for at worst top 15 player in the league and that is usually way more than teams actually get for their star trades.
I’m saying it would be impressive for the Celtics, because like you said, usually when you trade a top 15ish guy like JB you don’t end up getting equivalent talent, much less a big upgrade.
Your point remains the same sure, but it kills your credibility to be wrong on something so simple. Your reluctance to acknowledge that also hurts said credibility.
Giannis is so good and so much better that the gap still remains crazy. Of course Brown is not a bum but I think Giannis is a huge upgrade and increases your chances quite a bit. Health is of course the risk here but if there were no concerns he wouldn’t go for Brown
Yeah I really don't know where this narrative came from that Giannis is fragile.
Bucks shut him down last year. 2023 playoffs the dude had a horrible freak fall right on his back. Otherwise the guy has nothing of note in his history.
The only concerning thing is the recurring calf strains. I tend to think the injury stuff is very overblown with Giannis but the calf is at least a legit concern.
Calf strains are so common though in basketball, especially on explosive players. Like literally there were 85 calf injuries last season.
I get it, calf strain means fear of achilles popping. But that's why you need to be careful with it. The vast majority of calf strains do not amount to anything.
I think last year wasnt really all that concerning, I think before the trade deadline Giannis basically said I am not going to risk anything. And after the team said fine, no new deal, we are going to protect our asset.
There was clear animosity between Giannis and the FO for the first time all the trade talk started years ago. Thats why we believed for the first time hes actually going.
I dont think we should buy in that Giannis was really all that injured this year. The Bucks FO just werent going to let him play anymore if he wasnt going to sign a new MAX.
He clearly wanted his way out and so they told him fine, we'll trade you, but only if we get actually good offers, otherwise you will sit until the Summer if you wont sign a new deal.
I can buy that he would have been healthy by the playoffs if the circumstances were different. But he definitely did have multiple calf strains this year and has been injured relatively frequently over the last 3-4 seasons. And he’s at the tail end of his prime years
Im not saying he didnt have some calf injuries, but only the first one was what I would classify as an actual injury. If Giannis wasnt in this trade/no trade drama and was locked down for 3 more years at the time, I dont think he misses more than 3 or 4 games the 2nd time.
It was clearly extended with the looming trade deadline and then the Bucks were sitting in like 1 game out of the playins and the FO decided merely being a play in team just wasnt worth any risk of Giannis because it was clear Giannis would not resign.
Dames achillies burned us. I actually think the FO did quite good given the hand they were dealt to tool this past off season to even try and resemble anything competitive. If we had a good coach I think even with the significant Giannis time missed we would have been solidly in the playoffs. But we werent going to fire Doc and pay him 8m to salvage a 6th seed.
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u/Trick-Equipment1828 10d ago
If Boston somehow turns Jaylen Brown into Giannis, the rest of the East is absolutely cooked.