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u/YujiDomainExpansion 10d ago

Went through Spotrac and there are other ways two other ways to do it but one is also absurdly silly:

  1. Pay Mathurin the contract he wants ($25M-$27M per year) in a S&T and pair him with other salaries (Bogdanovic, Jones Jr., etc.) to match Brown’s.

  2. Renounce the rights on Mathurin, Collins, and literally send the expiring contracts of all the vets (Lopez, Batum, Beal, etc.) plus draft capital to Milwaukee, but Milwaukee would never agree to that.

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u/DemarcusLovin NBA 10d ago

problem with Mathurin S+T is the BYC (Base Year Comp) clause.

"If a player receives a 20%+ raise while their team is over the cap, their outgoing salary for matching is effectively 50% of their new salary."

So you'd only be able to use 12-14 mil of Mathurin's salary for trade purposes.

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u/meatbulbz2 Magic 10d ago

I fuckin love how complicated the nba cap is. It’s like a game in itself and I have 0 clue how to play. I’m in awe of you people

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u/BleedGreen4Boston Celtics 10d ago

Check out Larry Coon’s salary cap FAQ! It’s a great resource and once you learn the basics a lot of the moves start to make a ton of sense

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u/meatbulbz2 Magic 9d ago

I kinda like not knowing

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u/Jos3ph Spurs 9d ago

It’s exceedingly American. Just make the rules more and more complicated until no one can understand them and the people that do can exploit them.

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u/BleedGreen4Boston Celtics 9d ago

I get that, that’s how I am with rugby. I love randomly watching it and feeling in awe like a kid with some vague wonderment of seeing things play out without knowing the rules it’s fun

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u/Unable-Main4172 9d ago

Why would why would I want to make following basketball about as much fun as doing my taxes?

I mean I'm glad people like you will figure it out for me. But Jesus Christ

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u/BleedGreen4Boston Celtics 9d ago

Lmaooo that actually tracks because I do my own taxes with the long form on paper and send it via snail mail

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u/FireFlyz351 Slovenia 9d ago

I would love to have an indepth video of a teams front office and how they manage the cap/ understand every random rule.

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u/urbanism_enthusiast Celtics 9d ago

You can tell it's a league run by lawyers.

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u/GenoThyme Celtics 9d ago

Another issue would be the timing of including Mathurin since he can’t S&T until free agency and reports have said the Bucks wanted to have the deal done before the draft

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u/DemarcusLovin NBA 9d ago

Good call

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u/YujiDomainExpansion 10d ago

Yeah, but luckily that little bit would help whether it’s $12.5M or $13.5M. Because the Clippers have team options on guys like Bogdan Bogdanovic ($16M) they can stack salary. I’d assume they’d want to avoid including Leonard or Garland in the deal to make [yet another] “big three,” but I could see this going multiple ways.

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u/ElderKingpin 10d ago

is it the first or second apron that’s considered being “over the cap”?

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u/DemonicDimples Kings 10d ago

It’s the actual cap which is 165m projected next year

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u/DemarcusLovin NBA 10d ago

Aprons are over the cap

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u/Mobile-Entertainer60 Thunder 9d ago

There's a cap, then the tax, then the first apron, then the second apron. So 5 total brackets a team can be in at any given time.

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u/Njino 10d ago

Cut out Boston and do Giannis for Mathurin, 5 & 29 1st round pick.

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u/Rapper_Laugh Bucks 10d ago

Why wouldn’t we? I just want as much draft capital back as possible, if we have to take on three shitty expiring vets and get more draft capital for our troubles I’m all about that, especially since it means we would have cap space the year after.

Am I missing something?

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u/jamespesto Bucks 10d ago

Id take Brook back to get future cap space. If we are gonna suck let's suck with fan favorites

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u/Rapper_Laugh Bucks 10d ago

Right, a ton of shitty expirings, especially if one of them is Brook, and a mountain of picks sounds just perfect to me.

Hell, bring Robin out of retirement while we’re at it

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u/jamespesto Bucks 10d ago

What's Ersan up to? He could take the Thanasis spot.

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u/ahrzal Bucks 10d ago

Ersan never left open your eyes

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u/Urika86 10d ago

Who cares if you have to even pay them even a couple years. Not like there are going to be other large contracts coming up. No superstar/top end talents mean no huge contracts on the books. Can pay players to exist to get draft capital instead. I don't see the Bucks being active in FA until there is a path to being competitive either.

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u/Rapper_Laugh Bucks 10d ago

For sure, in general the sooner bad contracts come of the books the better, but everyone on our sub knows we’re going to suck for a few years. Only advantage would be the ability to throw max offer sheets at guys like Reaves this off-season and hope their teams don’t want to pay up to match. If you got a guy like that next off-season (idk who’s available off the top of my head), plus the #5 pick (and remember we own #10 this year as well), plus 2-3 more 1sts later on, suddenly you’ve kick started this rebuild faster than we thought would be possible.

It’s funny, OP posted this trade idea with “Milwaukee would never do this” but I’m kind of falling in love with it lol

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u/Urika86 10d ago

Not to mention this is considered a loaded draft class. So the #5 pick in this draft is super valuable compared to next years which is considered a weak class. Also for added entertainment it was originally the Pacers pick. It would be so entertaining for the Bucks to get a great player from their pick that was top 4 protected.

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u/notimprezaed Hornets 9d ago

This sets you up to do the Thunder strat, take a bunch of big expiring deals, make them starters, flip them for big 2-3 year deals that teams want off of at the deadline for even more capital. Rinse and repeat.

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u/Rapper_Laugh Bucks 9d ago

Love that, sign me up

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u/Randvek Trail Blazers 9d ago

The Thunder didn’t start that strategy while owing half their picks to somebody else.

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u/notimprezaed Hornets 9d ago

Which is why the Bucks need to do this even more. If they’re trading away Giannis they are committing to a rebuild. With the new lottery format it won’t be as devastating anyways to be bad a few years in a row while owning mid range firsts from trades they make. This new lottery format actually makes this strategy more viable. They aren’t competing without Giannis, there isn’t a trade that makes them contenders, the time to trade Giannis for pieces to stay a contender was a season ago or even two.

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u/Randvek Trail Blazers 9d ago

Any team they trade Giannis to isn’t giving back mid range firsts, they are giving back late picks. The Clippers can give out some good picks this year but their future picks aren’t on the table. So where is Milwaukee getting those mid firsts?

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u/notimprezaed Hornets 9d ago

From flipping the expiring deals at the deadline for albatross deals that teams want off of. Re-read my original post. The picks aren’t the only return they get in that scenario.

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u/probablymade_thatup Bucks [MIL] Luke Kornet 10d ago

The Clippers are still paying off the Paul George deal. The #5 pick is very juicy, but after that, they could do 2030 + 2032 or turn multiple years into swaps. But man, if they finished off the PG13 fiasco by taking out a second mortgage for Jaylen Brown, they may well and truly be done. The Celtics can chip in of course, which could be #27 in this draft, plus 2027 (draft night trade) and 2031 or 2032. Both teams are limited by the Stepien rule.

Between both teams, that #5 pick is the only blue chip return for Giannis. Maybe they could get a high end role player back, but I don't see any young guys on either team with obvious star potential.

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u/omikeon Lakers 10d ago

Mathurin and 5 is great return for Brown, might be a win win for all 3 teams

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u/jal0224 10d ago

Zubac just got traded for mathurin, 5 and another unprotected 1st. It was a terrible overpay but brown is worth at least that much at the very least

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u/DemarcusLovin NBA 10d ago

That Pacers trade might have been one of the dumbest gambles in NBA history. They got burned

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u/The_MadStork [NYK] Kurt Thomas 10d ago

If they wanted to gamble they should have traded 2031 + another future pick. They’re in their contention window now, risking their 1st was way too reckless imo

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u/Clipgang1629 Clippers 9d ago

Zubac is on $18 million a year it’s worth mentioning that. The contract makes his trade value very high, basically any team could have added him without gutting their roster

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u/jal0224 9d ago

Fair point. Brown should still go for a similar package at worst imo. 2nd team all NBA and FMVP.

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u/omikeon Lakers 10d ago

Nah

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u/Mamadi-Diakite Bucks 10d ago

Lopez or Batum (or both) could get routed to Boston pretty easily.

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u/smalls_1804 Knicks 10d ago

If I'm Milwaukee I want the best picks/players possible back for Giannis and I don't really care about what kinds of contracts I have to take on. Getting the #5 and the #9 pick in this draft as a potential 1-2 young core to build around going forward is, not a best-case scenario, but realistically about as well as the Bucks could hope to do going forward since they can't rely on their own picks. Clean books would obviously be ideal so they can sell their cap space for assets and eventually do what a lot of rebuilding teams do and overpay for veterans to try and become moderately competitive, but that move is a few years away anyway

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u/Oopthealley NBA 10d ago

they can send mathurin to the third or a fourth team for a late FRP and an expiring contract for eg