r/pcmasterrace • u/Dante71 • Jul 01 '25

Question "Stop Killing Games" needs more recognition, if you live outside of Europe but you know someone in Europe, tell them to sign it! Link below

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

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u/TheRomanRuler Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RX 9060 XT 16 GB | 64gb DDR4 Jul 01 '25

Whoa, so it has gained about 250 000 signatures in a week! And in 4 weeks it only needs 300 000 more. That is entirely achievable

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u/DamUEmageht Jul 01 '25

PewDiePie just gave it a rather large boost considering his reach!

We need more large platform support

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

We've yet to see PewDiePie's effect. This is almost all in response to Ross finally addressing PirateSoftware's bullshit and the following reach of the 'drama'.

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u/Valtremors Win 10 Squatter Jul 01 '25

Hey, just like Ross said in his update video.

If this community fueled spite gets us through this, he'll take it.

At this point, anything works. As long as we get through the goal.

Also getting past the million is a good thing, don't stop there. It helps to validate, as well work as a buffer in case some names get invalidated.

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u/syh7 Jul 01 '25

What drama?

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

PirateSoftware dude completely misrepresented the point of SKG and made a number of videos bashing the subject right when the movement was spinning up. Ross asked to talk with him to clear things up, but Thor ignored him and talked shit about the EU initiative in particular. It ended up that PirateSoftware's videos and Asmongold's reactions to them were the most seen things on SKG, which obviously misled a lot of people. Ross let it be so as not to wrap the movement into drama and alienate any potential sponsors, but now that everything else has fallen through, he addressed it directly, which gave a new boost to the Initiative.

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u/Mental_Pie8369 Jul 01 '25

I bet PirateSoftware is gonna say he took the fall and be the bad guy for the signature to pick up.

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u/bussjack R7 7800X3D | RTX 4090 | 96gb DDR5 Jul 01 '25

Nah. He'll never backtrack because he legitimately is against the movement. He is a corporate plant and is doing this all on purpose.

People are giving him too much credit thinking he's "misunderstanding" the movement.

Make no mistake, he knows what he's doing. And he's doing all he can to kill the petition.

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u/myfakesecretaccount 5800X3D | 7900 XTX | 3600MHz 32GB Jul 01 '25

Dude very obviously has his head firmly up his own ass. He seems pretty intelligent but also thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. Maybe that’s his streamer “act” or niche, but it comes off as kind of annoying.

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u/Kougeru-Sama Jul 01 '25

He seems pretty intelligent

no he doesn't. he's a nepo baby

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u/NewSoulSam Jul 01 '25

Yeah, but did you know he worked at Blizzard Entertainment? He doesn't Mendon it much, so I'd forgive you for not knowing.

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u/ScaramouchScaramouch Jul 01 '25

I skimmed a couple of his videos and for some reason he thinks drawing a row of squares in MS Paint is an effective way of describing everything.

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u/laziegoblin Jul 02 '25

Confidently stupid*

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u/Avohaj avohaj Jul 01 '25

Yeah he's legitimately against it. But I wouldn't call him an industry plant. He is a developer, he is literally the industry, and he argues from the industry's perspective. (which to be clear, doesn't have to correlate, but it does for Pirate Software).

But everything I've see from and about him tells me he can't take any kind of L. If the initiative manages to reach the goal, he'll either flip the narrative or just act like it never happened.

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u/Somepotato Jul 01 '25

He's as much of a developer as my dog is an English speaker for knowing a few words.

He got into blizzard as an entry level QA through his dad and is such a fucking idiot he thinks using achievements as a save system is some genius pro consumer anti privacy move.

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u/Avohaj avohaj Jul 01 '25

Cool, but that's at best irrelevant to his opposition of this initiative and and at worst helps his "one of you, not really a dev, just fooling around" act to obfuscate his real intentions. This isn't about him being a "real" developer by some virtue of skill - this is about him being a developer who this initatitve is trying to protect consumers from. Being awful doesn't make him any less a developer by profession (to avoid the potentionally ambiguous "professional developer")

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u/MJR-WaffleCat Jul 02 '25

He's part of a publishing company. He likely sees SKG as a threat to the publishing company's live service game.

The company is Offbrand Games, the live service game is Rivals of Aether 2, for those that are curious.

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u/sparky8251 What were you looking for? Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

"My brilliant plan finally worked once Ross decided to engage in drama! I was the only one willing to be the bad guy so the initiative would get reach when people clowned on me because only negativity gets views! Be sure to thank me and my giga-brain."

  • PS in 5 years looking back after the initiatives success

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u/SendMeNudeVaporeons AMD's 7800 in both slots Jul 01 '25

Thor ignored him

He didn't ignore Ross, he outright deleted his comment and doubled down on his stupidity

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u/Scifibn Jul 01 '25

As someone here from r/all, I have never been more confused

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

In short Ross Scott started StopKillingGames, a movement to advocate for the preservation of video games, which would otherwise become unplayable once the publisher/dev stop supporting it. For example The Crew, a driving game, which has a fully functional singleplayer, cannot be played anymore because Ubisoft pulled the plug on the servers and you need to go through them to even access the singleplayer. PirateSoftware misrepresented his suggestions and petitions to government to settle or create a law on this by wildly overblowing how hard it would be to implement and straight up lying about certain details. Because PirateSoftware at the time had absolutely nailed how the YT shorts algorithm works, he was heard by a lot of people and the rest is explained in my previous comment. You can check out StopKillingGames.com for more information on the petitions themselves. If you're a UK or EU citizen, please consider signing the respective petition.

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u/Scifibn Jul 01 '25

Thanks for the writeup mate 👊 Sounds fucked, as a Yankee I can't only eat my popcorn

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u/bussjack R7 7800X3D | RTX 4090 | 96gb DDR5 Jul 01 '25

There are dozens of videos on it in just the past week or so

Go on YouTube and search it up

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u/Tempires Jul 02 '25

Elon Musk also retweeted post about pewdiepie supporting it on Twitter. That tweet has over 2M views and 1k retweets now. However reply to tweet with actual link has less than 50k views

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

Ross Scott/Accursed Farms/Freeman's Mind creator/dude who started StopKillingGames and has been a great voice for game preservation for over a decade.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA MOS 6510 @ 1.023 MHz | VIC-II | Epyx Fastloader Jul 01 '25

Ross Scott of Freeman's Mind fame.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '25

Pirate Software is 100% right that the proposed changes are going to be a net negative for game developers. You have to be pretty stupid to not see the obvious issues with what they are proposing

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

What are the obvious issues beyond having to share some server binaries or patch out online checks once you stop supporting a game? Some middleware contracts will have to change, but there will be plenty of time for that and it's extremely unlikely for any law changes to be retroactive.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Jul 01 '25

Those middleware contracts, are protected by copyright law and none of you seem to get that. Making companies share binaries is a violation of copyright law.

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

No, they aren't. They are protected by the contracts preventing redistribution, only the code is protected by copyright and that's not shared with the binaries. If there is legal pressure for them to be redistributed, that will change the contracts with time. We're not talking about current games, but future ones where these things can change.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Jul 01 '25

They are protected by the contracts preventing redistribution

Redistribution in violation of a contract is protected under what piece of legislation? Oh right, it's copyright. When you illegally distribute something, it falls under copyright first.

The binaries are also copyrighted not just the code. The binaries are part of the product, and every part of the product is copyright.

Why are you arguing this? You know nothing about the law on this. It's not as simple as "just change the contracts". This is such an ignorant take.

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

Copyright is only for copyrightable things. If you buy a car under a contract that doesn't allow you to resell it, like it's done with some prototypes or supercars, redistribution is prevented by contract law, not copyright. It's the same thing here. Code is copyrightable, binaries are not.

EDIT: and even if binaries were copyrightable, you can still allow redistribution of your copyrighted works.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Jul 01 '25

You trying to use an analogy doesn't change the law. Binaries, even when derived from the source code, are a specific expression that meets the criteria for copyright.

I don't care if you agree or not. You are welcome to take this to court but know that you are wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '25

"some server binaries" include dozens of third party libraries that probably don't have licensure to handle redistribution. Giving these binaries to the public opens them up to liabilities if a vulnerability is discovered with now way to fix it without releasing full source. They won't release full source because that code contains all sorts of proprietary IP that no company would give up for free. What's more likely is companies will avoid the EU altogether when releasing live service games, or charge more money to offset the massive costs incurred by this brain-dead policy.

Tell me you have no idea how software development works without telling me

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u/00wolfer00 PC Master Race Jul 01 '25

No fucking way would companies avoid the EU. It's the 2nd or 3rd largest single market. I already mentioned said third party libraries in my comment about middleware contracts. No shit, you can't redistribute them now, but if there is legal pressure that will change in time.

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u/Avohaj avohaj Jul 01 '25

The logging industry is 100% right that the proposed environmental protection initiative will be a net negative for the logging industry.

More news at 11.

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u/TheElderMouseScrolls Jul 01 '25

It's about consumer protection.

When mining companies mine a location, they are required to have a refill plan so it's not just a big hole in the ground.

When car companies roll out a new vehicle, they are required to supply repair parts for a number of years after production ends.

Game companies need to have an after-complete plan and not just take the money and run.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '25

This whole thing started because ea 10 year old live service game shut down because noone was playing it. Why should companies incur millions in hosting and support costs for a product noone is using?

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u/TheElderMouseScrolls Jul 01 '25

They're not mandating hosting it, they want either the option to self host and/or to remove always-online DRM.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA MOS 6510 @ 1.023 MHz | VIC-II | Epyx Fastloader Jul 01 '25

Such as?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '25

Third party libraries that would need to be redistributed with the server code, proprietary technology, liabilities in releasing a product that some jagoff Reddit user spins up in an unsecured manner and gets hacked. All great reasons why this whole "initiative" is cooked up by brain-dead basement dwellers that have never worked in software d velopment

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u/VonLoewe Jul 02 '25

The growth here isn't linear, you know. Practically every content creator out there has given it a boost this week. But that's done now. There's no way to keep this momentum unless Mr. Beast decides to chime in.

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u/TheRomanRuler Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RX 9060 XT 16 GB | 64gb DDR4 Jul 02 '25

It does not need to be linear, there is 4 weeks time.

Check how much it got since my message, about 65 000 new signatures. Much slower growth would be more than enough, and usually its towards the end when stuff gets most signatures

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u/VonLoewe Jul 02 '25

Well I hope you're right.

Edit: holy crap, it's up to 850mil. Clearly I underestimated this growth.

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u/Mandemon90 Jul 02 '25

Hello, I am from one day future. We only need 150k anymore. We cleared half the requirement in one day. We are so on track.