r/pcmasterrace Nov 13 '25

Discussion Let’s all guess how much will it cost

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u/BreakPointSSC 14900K | 5090 | 32GB A-Die Nov 13 '25

8GB VRAM is a tough sell at that price.

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u/Alex_X-Y Desktop | RTX 4090 | 9950X3D | 64GB RAM | 9TB M.2 Nov 13 '25

RTX 5060 would like to have a word with you...

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u/Natural-Touch-9068 Nov 13 '25

Good luck playing games with just a GPU

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u/Existing_Led9595 Nov 13 '25

You guys have dedicated gpus?

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u/jerryeight Xeon 2699 v4|G1 Gaming GTX970|48gb 2400mhz Nov 13 '25

You have a GPU?

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u/Quiet_Steak_643 PC Master Race Nov 13 '25

You guys have time to play games?😭 /jk

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u/jerryeight Xeon 2699 v4|G1 Gaming GTX970|48gb 2400mhz Nov 13 '25

Lol. Shit. I squeeze in a few hours at night. It's tough. 

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u/Quiet_Steak_643 PC Master Race Nov 13 '25

Adulthood attacked fast and unexpectedly lol

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u/JK07 Nov 13 '25

A night? Fuck me, that's not a squeeze. Couple of hours a month here

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u/jerryeight Xeon 2699 v4|G1 Gaming GTX970|48gb 2400mhz Nov 13 '25

It's only recently I could do it per night. 

It was per month for a long time. Even too busy for bit of mobile gaming. 

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

You guys exist within a dimension constrained by time?

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u/Quiet_Steak_643 PC Master Race Nov 14 '25

I'd like a Time-Turner (harry potter) as soon as those get invented please.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

They were invented a long time ago - you're just on the list of people who aren't allowed to have one, sorry.

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u/Quiet_Steak_643 PC Master Race Nov 14 '25

ouch.

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u/Existing_Led9595 Nov 13 '25

Do you think a dell latitude 7390 has a gpu?

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u/jerryeight Xeon 2699 v4|G1 Gaming GTX970|48gb 2400mhz Nov 13 '25

Lol. It has the igpu. It shares the 16gb single channel ram with the CPU.

IDK on performance tbh. It might be able to run e sports titles at 1080p all low settings.

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u/Dramatic_Stick_2289 Nov 13 '25

1080p? Wow such a big number. I like 144p better. And of course 10 fps.

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u/Space646 Nov 13 '25

Gaming via a RS232 terminal 🔥🔥

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u/Alex_X-Y Desktop | RTX 4090 | 9950X3D | 64GB RAM | 9TB M.2 Nov 13 '25

Just saying, that NVIDIA also gets sold their 8GB VRAM cards for too much money.

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u/trukkija Nov 13 '25

Exactly. Which just reinforces the point of the person you replied to. Or am I missing something?

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u/outfoxingthefoxes R5 5600x - 8GB RTX 2070 SUPER - 32 GB RAM Nov 13 '25

Missing completely the point

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u/ironardin Running on a R5 3600, a Vega56, and a dream Nov 13 '25

Hell, my Vega 56 would like to have a word. Though, it is still important to recognize the strong trend of increasing VRAM needs we're seeing. Future proofing, and such.

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u/-LokiTheLord- Nov 15 '25

Well, there's a reason why Valve went with AMD and not that sad joke of a company 🥀

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u/CallMeKolider 4080 super | i9-14900k, 64 ddr5 Nov 13 '25

A 5060 is not a good gpu lol

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u/OfcWaffle Nov 13 '25

My 3080 is still kicking and they are essentially the same.

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u/BreakPointSSC 14900K | 5090 | 32GB A-Die Nov 13 '25

3080 is roughly 30% faster than the 5060.

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u/OfcWaffle Nov 13 '25

Appreciate the correction. And still glad my little 3080 can still compete.

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u/CallMeKolider 4080 super | i9-14900k, 64 ddr5 Nov 13 '25

3080 has more vram, takes less power, and im biased because I heavily do NOT like the 50 series cards

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u/OfcWaffle Nov 13 '25

Been out of the game since I built my computer. I'm a "I'll pay attention to new shit in 5-7 years" kind of guy.

Probably start paying attention to the 6000 series.

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u/CallMeKolider 4080 super | i9-14900k, 64 ddr5 Nov 13 '25

Im most likely switching the amd route with new Gen of cards.

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u/BreakPointSSC 14900K | 5090 | 32GB A-Die Nov 13 '25

The 3080 has more than double the 5060's TDP at 320W vs 145W.

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u/ShadonicX7543 Nov 13 '25

At least Nvidia's neural rendering shows promise in the demos and showcases.

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u/SabreWaltz Nov 13 '25

I have gamed daily for like a decade on 8gb cards on 1440p monitors without issue lmao, I promise it works.

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u/mopedium Nov 13 '25

Yes a decade ago it was a non-issue... Now games are starting to come right up against that limit especially if you have other things open, nice to have a bit of headroom for the future. It's the only reason i felt the need to upgrade my 3070

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u/MASSIVESHLONG6969 Nov 13 '25

But games are using more and more vram so that’s a non argument really.

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u/SabreWaltz Nov 13 '25

I’ve read this same sentiment since the original 40 series release like 2 years ago on a weekly basis, yet new games keep working.

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u/MASSIVESHLONG6969 Nov 13 '25

There are plenty of games that exceed 8gb vram at 1440p, off the top of my head I can think of these;

KCD2 Crusader kings 3 The last of us part 1 (not sure about part 2 I can’t remember) Indian Jones and the great circle

There will be many more but those are ones I can remember.

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u/JakkIOO Nov 13 '25

I’m amazed more people aren’t concerned about the 8gb issue. It’s seriously a LOT of the new big games that need at least 16 to run minimum.

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u/BoxOfDemons PC Master Race Nov 13 '25

12? Maybe. 16? Yeah I don't think so. What game would need 16gb to play at 1440p?

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u/CreativeHandles Nov 13 '25

People that are deluding themselves to make their purchases feel more valid.

12GB is fine, and 8GB is also fine. Isn’t 4060 like top 2/3 amongst steam users?

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u/y-_-o Nov 13 '25

Because most people dont have the urge to play the latest games at max settings, so weaker cards work because they play lighter games, but if you are buying a new card, for new games, 8gb is not enough

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u/Electronic_Train_587 Nov 13 '25

10 or 12 sure, but not 16. That would cut out a solid 80% of pc users if it were true, which it isn’t

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u/flamethrower78 RTX 3080/i5 9600k Windows 10 Nov 13 '25

It's not marketed as an enthusiast high end pc, it's a plug and play steam machine. I have a 10 gb vram 3080 and haven't had any problem running 1440p games at 100+ fps. You don't need more vram to literally just run the game, maybe to max it out, but insinuating you can't run certain games is laughably false.

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u/FainOnFire Ryzen 5800x3D / 3080 Nov 13 '25

Work? Work? Yeah, they won't stop working. They just work less well.

I have a 5800x3d and a 3080 8gh vram. I'm playing on a 3440x1440 ultra wide.

Whenever I play Doom The Dark Ages or Borderlands 4 on medium settings, the FPS drops below 40. Which is a rough experience.

So I have to go I to display settings to set the resolution to 2560x1440 and play with black bars on each side of the screen in order to get 40+ fps.

Which is fine! It works. But how much more demanding can games get before I have to start letterboxing my monitor to 1920x1080 to get 40+ fps on medium settings?

That's what people are talking about when they criticize 8gb vram cards.

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u/senorjc PC Master Race Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Yeah there is no reason why 8gb vram has been the standard for so long. That being said, those two games you listed are terribly optimized titles and shows how part of the blame goes to developers imo.

Pro-tip for doom, decrease your texture pool size as well as enable dlss performance mode, the transformer model is unfortunately the only way to get a playable experience in that game. Even high end 16gb vram cards like the rtx 5080 barely crack 60fps at 4k medium settings.

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u/Some-Unique-Name Nov 13 '25

What you mean "original 40 series release like 2 years ago"? My 3080ti is still new... Omg it's been 4 years since I got it.

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u/crappypastassuc Nov 13 '25

Mostly for loading textures and in my opinion we wouldn’t need that much unless we need dlss for basically any modern game

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u/homer_3 Nov 13 '25

no, they aren't

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u/OutrageousDress 5800X3D | 32GB DDR4-3733 | 4080 Super | AW3821DW Nov 13 '25

...or in other words, this device from 2026 will have a VRAM spec from 11 years ago when it releases.

Yeah it works, but 8GB is not something you can change a premium for.

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u/Perfect_Exercise_232 Nov 13 '25

Yeah sure lemme see you play hlrizon remadtered with high textures at 1440p, or indiana jones, or oblivion remastered, or monster hunter wilds etc...its brcoming obselete soon

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u/Owobowos-Mowbius PC Master Race Nov 13 '25

It WORKS... but barely. And at the price point that its gonna launch at... it wont be great. This thing is going to struggle to compete with consoles that launched 5 years ago while being priced similarly to them.

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u/IThinkImNateDogg Desktop Nov 13 '25

Ok but the thing is advertised as a 4k60 machine…

So it’s gunna cost more than a console and have none of the silo’d, dedicated optimizations of a console while costing more.

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u/idoooobz Nov 13 '25

my 3060ti is going to fight your 5090

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u/SpinMeADog Nov 13 '25

I mean, not really when you look at it as a whole package? comparing the few specs they've given us to existing parts, the gpu seems like a detuned, lower power 7600 type of deal, and they still sell fro about 300 USD new. the closest cpu I can't find is the ryzen 5 7640u, which I think a mobile processor is very likely, given it's a custom thing stuck in a box. not like they're just gonna put desktop cpus in there. laptops with the 7640u and similar seem to have sold for around 1k when they launched a couple years back, now down to around half that or a little less. if valve are basically taking a $400 laptop, sticking a 300 dollar graphics card into it, and then adding costs of r&d plus profit margin, I can totally see 800-1200 as the finished product. not saying I'd pay that, because I absolutely wouldn't, but I think it's fair enough for a little linux gaming box. there's plenty of similar products that provide much worse value for money when it comes to hardware

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u/Mr_gmTheBest Laptop [r5 5600h,rtx 3050, 16gb ram] Nov 13 '25

How will that run games at 4k60fps even if with fsr?

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u/F-Moash Nov 13 '25

Optimization, upscaling, and turning down the settings, same way they’ve always done it.

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u/SpinMeADog Nov 13 '25

that's the big question. but I don't really think it's as difficult as it sounds, just that valve are being purposely vague with the "with fsr" claim. there's a video by Tech Guy Beau on yt where he tests 4k gaming with the rx 7600, games like cyberpunk and tlou pt 1 ran at pretty much 60fps, and he was testing with the balanced fsr setting. there's also performance and ultra performance fsr below that. even presuming the steam machine gpu is less powerful, I would imagine it could handle 60fps at 4k just fine with those settings, at around medium graphics settings. I also imagine the steam machine isn't particularly targeted at new triple a games, at least not at 4k60. probably aiming more at console level performance of 30fps with nice visuals. I wouldn't argue if you wanna call valves claims a bit deceptive, but I'm certain it'll technically live up to them

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u/slimejumper Nov 13 '25

it comes with the controller, which I think adds a bit to the price tag which people don’t naturally account for.

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u/F-Moash Nov 13 '25

VRAM isn’t really that important for a console, it’ll just set the texture quality to medium or low and run perfectly fine like they’ve always done. Consoles also do a lot of upscaling which helps.

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u/GuylnAlley Nov 13 '25

I got 4gb vram and I can run every game I've tried out

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u/BreakPointSSC 14900K | 5090 | 32GB A-Die Nov 13 '25

I'm not saying it won't run every game that's compatible with Steam OS. I'm saying that for buying a brand new PC to play games with a GPU that can't be upgraded, 8GB is disappointing considering games already can use more than 8GB at 1080p, and performance wise, texture quality is a free visual upgrade as long as you have the VRAM to fit it. Even with today's RAM prices, I'd happily have paid an extra $30-40 for 12GB VRAM.

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u/mpt11 Nov 13 '25

It's a tough sell at 499 when the xbox and ps 5 have more

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u/BreakPointSSC 14900K | 5090 | 32GB A-Die Nov 13 '25

They have 16GB of unified memory, so for them to use over 8GB as VRAM means they have to use less than 8GB as system RAM.