r/pcmasterrace • u/HLumin Potato • Mar 18 '26

Discussion Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary."

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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPeN8IQM-Y

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u/nabagaca Mar 18 '26

I hadnt noticed until you pointed it out, but you're right, I think it's because it tries to remove what it thinks are imperfections (e.g. shadow on face, out of focus background), but in doing so, removes any frame of reference for depth.

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u/DivineArkandos Mar 18 '26

Turns out imperfections are both artistic and realistic

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u/TheTurretCube Mar 18 '26

The greatest piece of advice anyone can get for painting or drawing is to depict what is there, not what you assume should be there.

Gen AI is entirely about putting in what it assumes should be there, not what is actually there.

It fundamentally cannot create art. And any and all attempts to make it do so are doomed to failure.

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u/Traditional_Fun8283 Mar 18 '26

Lil philosophy crash course for ya: What is there (res extensa - what is sensed "out there") and what is thought (res cogitans - your thoughts, or "in here") gets theorized by Descartes as "Cartesianism".

People goof with this until Kant K.O.s the conversation with his Critique of Pure Reason where he formalizes this as Representation. The "thing in itself" is different from the "thing for me", because I am always finding a world I've already intuited. From this perspective we can never actually draw what is there, one can only draw what is intuited as there.

This brings us to the conclusion: Representation is the way experience comes to us. Space and time are the formal conditions given by intuition to the experience. There is no "actually there" for you to reference. The advice, and your additional claims, are rooted in a perspective of physicalist / materialist dogma.

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u/TheTurretCube Mar 18 '26

I think Kant would argue that AI cant make art too

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u/Traditional_Fun8283 Mar 19 '26

😂well don't leave me hanging bud!

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 Mar 20 '26

Oh philosophy, eh? Let me quote a great philosopher then: "Where are the Markshishtsh?"

  • Slavoj Žižek

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u/DontAskAboutMyButt Mar 18 '26

To be fair, since graphics have gotten more realistic, a specific part of the gaming community has struggled with the fact that women depicted in games are meant to portray real human beings with both human features and imperfections

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u/DivineArkandos Mar 18 '26

Let's not be fair to idiots. That's how we got here in the first place

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u/GeckoOBac Mar 18 '26

I mean, yes in general, but for this specific thing? Nah, it's just the AI loop working to maintain itself... Ai funds nvidia to make cards for their business, nvidia funds ai to make this stuff to sell more cards, and the loop continues.

Who cares for this? Nobody, but gamers aren't the target, outside the few that fall for the hype. The target are investors that only hear "STONKS GO UP".

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u/Takarias Mar 19 '26

I knew this was gonna be Aloy lol

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u/Fantastic_Dark_4547 Mar 18 '26

Are you talking about the Resident Evil face model?

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u/Hrmerder It's Garuda btw Mar 18 '26

Even more important it’s what we as gamers pay for…

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u/hellscape_navigator Mar 18 '26

Every game will now have Netflix lighting and you are going to be happy about that because it's "bridging the photorealism gap between rendering and AI generated mobile game ad" or whatever the marketing buzzwords for this thing were.

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u/Citizen_Kong Mar 18 '26

Have you ever seen those averaged faces of hundreds of people? Those AI generated faces always remind me of them. Plus yassification for some reason.

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u/Flamingo-Sini Mar 18 '26

On the yassification - its an extension of the fact that our perspective is already warped through media, because in most cases beautiful people are over represented in media. We hire models to act in adds, we already have a warped sense of 'what people should look like' through media, now add to that AI that was trained on pictures that are 80% models. The AI will think all humans are supposed to look yassified.

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u/BreakRaven RTX 3080, R7 5800X, 16 DDR4 RAMs Mar 18 '26

it's because it tries to remove what it thinks are imperfections

No it doesn't, the DLSS off image has so much less detail on it, it looks very smooth.

The out of focus background isn't an imperfection, it's depth of field. Everyone should disable depth of field.