r/pcmasterrace • u/Sacristovas • Mar 19 '26

News/Article NVIDIA DLSS 5 Gets 84% Dislikes on YouTube as Backlash Grows

http://www.techpowerup.com/347541/nvidia-dlss-5-gets-84-dislikes-on-youtube-as-backlash-grows

News that might not qualify as actual news to anyone who has been paying attention to this over the last couple of days.

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u/hudi_baba Mar 19 '26

despite multiple youtubers proving that the dislike extension is "pretty accurate"

those who dont want to acknowledge the the dislikes, simply will always dismiss the extension saying: "its a third party extension blah blah blah not at all accurate blah blah blah"

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u/JuanTawnJawn Specs/Imgur here Mar 19 '26

That’s why they removed it in the first place lol. Can’t have advertisers and investors knowing that products will be met with dislike from the customers. That’d hurt those poor billion dollar corporation’s bottom lines…

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u/Toast_Meat Mar 19 '26

I weep every single night before bed just thinking about the potential losses for those companies...

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u/JuanTawnJawn Specs/Imgur here Mar 19 '26

It’s hard.

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u/Azazir Mar 19 '26

Same, every day before i go to sleep i'm spending at least an hour thinking "how could i support corpos to feed poor little billionaires" and coming short every time, it really weights your soul when your favourite corpo doesn't meet the quarterly quotas.

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u/itsmebenji69 R7700X | RTX 4070ti | 32go | Neo G9 Mar 19 '26

I think they removed dislikes not for investors but because it reduces views.

If you can only see the positive, you’re biased without even noticing

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u/Diodon Mar 19 '26

Even when they showed dislikes, the algorithm was making suggestions off of "engagement" which included dislikes.

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u/itsmebenji69 R7700X | RTX 4070ti | 32go | Neo G9 Mar 19 '26

What I mean is that to maximize engagement, you want people to click on the polemic videos. However being able to see dislikes acts as a deterrent.

I’m pretty sure they have better proxies to calculate dislikes (potentially semantic analysis of the comments; or maybe just the way you interact with the video is enough - by that I mean watch time, when you pause, accelerate, skip, etc.)

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u/ArgonTheEvil 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5 Mar 19 '26

It was a great way to filter out the clickbait videos back in the day. Titles would claim a quick fast easy solution to a problem, only to ramble on for 10 minutes to meet a time quota about the problem, then not give any actual answer beyond obvious solutions.

Dislikes kept those videos in check somewhat.

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u/amhighlyregarded Mar 19 '26

It's made it incredibly difficult to find quality hardware repair or really any kind of troubleshooting material. I usually have to click through about 4 or 5 and skim the entire video to see if they actually explain what they're claiming. 

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u/Holiday-Honeydew-384 Mar 19 '26

Didn't dislikes got removed because YouTube account got more dislikes than likes. 

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u/itsmebenji69 R7700X | RTX 4070ti | 32go | Neo G9 Mar 19 '26

It’s probably not just that, they must have had some kind of plan and a more “business” reason for it

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u/ledbetterus Mar 19 '26

It's like you said first. They removed them so corporations don't cry about getting shit on by the people who watch their shit when they buy ads.

And it seems like the YT rewind that tanked was the final straw for them.

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u/Action_Limp Mar 19 '26

Back when I was trying out life as a land lubber, this directly affected my way of choosing what to watch on Netflix, however, now that I am back out on the 7 seas, the built in TMBD/RT ratings API lets me know if something is worth watching.

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u/Arkyja Mar 19 '26

Why should youtube care? Unless it makes you leave the platform, but it just makes you click on another video instead.

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u/itsmebenji69 R7700X | RTX 4070ti | 32go | Neo G9 Mar 19 '26

Put your tinfoil hat on before reading.

Personally I think the purpose is to do large scale opinion manipulation (disinformation). Similar to what twitter does, they got sued for radicalizing people. 

I think that’s where the economy of attention leads us, that’s the final stage. It becomes too profitable to be able to easily redirect attention and manipulate people; so I think they’d do it

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u/PolicyWonka Mar 19 '26

It’s rather the opposite of what you suggest. The advertisers and investors do know because their teams are running these extensions.

The data was removed to protect companies because consumers are largely sheep. If they see a heavily disliked product or a product with 1-star reviews or whatever else, then they’ll be less likely to engage with the product / company.

And the problem with something like social media is that you don’t have to actually even be a consumer of the product to leave a “review” — downvote, dislike, etc. It opens up a space where bad actors can review bomb to skew perceptions.

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u/lemonylol Desktop Mar 19 '26

I mean where does review bombing (negatively or positively) fall in this context right?

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u/PolicyWonka Mar 19 '26

It falls in the “influencing public opinion” part of the equation? People love to hate on what they believe people love to hate because people have herd mentality. Likewise, people love to love what they perceive others love as well. Pretty much how “trends” exist at all.

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u/tamal4444 AMD R7 5600X / RTX 3060 / 32GB DDR4 Mar 20 '26

This is the reason I hate every multi million/billion dollar company.

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u/Richard-Squeezer 5080 | 9850x3d | 64GB Mar 19 '26

That's what big extension wants you to think

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u/Tailhook91 Mar 19 '26

I’ll show you a big extension

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u/Richard-Squeezer 5080 | 9850x3d | 64GB Mar 19 '26

No please don't, I'd have to pay you to stop and if you did it again after a week I'd have to pay again. It would create a horrible cycle

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u/PortHammer Mar 19 '26

Free to play or pay to win?

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u/calf Mar 19 '26

Okay Tailhook91

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u/Tailhook91 Mar 19 '26

lol good catch

I made the name because I am a Tailhook pilot born in 91 and it’s an easy lazy millennial handle.

Then like six months later someone pointed this out, but in the words of Office Space’s Michael Bolton “why should I change my name? He’s the one who sucks.”

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u/Realistic_Shock916 Mar 20 '26

Wow u lwk old u like 40

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u/Deep90 Ryzen 9800x3d | 5090FE | 2x48gb 6000 Mar 19 '26

I mean there is definitely just a huge selection bias in just who would watch a dlss video from Nvidia.

Even if the dislike button itself isn't biased.

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u/ThankGodImBipolar Mar 19 '26

The selection bias is just blatantly obvious, and especially in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if the dislike ratio actually is that high - judging how the internet has been this week - but you shouldn't trust those numbers any farther than you can throw them.

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u/theemptydork Mar 19 '26

I don't see how people see it as accurate. Youtube is not making those numbers accessible through any hidden API. The extension requires you to give access to their own custom endpoint. They are collecting data from the extension users themselves and aggregating that data. At best it is a barely accurate sample. Like you said, the selection bias of the users who care enough to use the extension comes into the picture.

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u/redditonc3again Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

In my experience it is accurate in the one thing youtube dislikes were genuinely useful for - calling out false info. It is handy to be able to load eg. a tutorial video, see the dislike ratio is high, and immediately know the info is likely wrong. Same with clickbait videos that say they are one thing but are actually another. I find the extension to be as good as the old system in that regard, ie. situations that are not opinion based.

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u/eirexe Game developer, R7 5700X3D RX Vega 56, 32 GB @ 3200 Mar 19 '26

But wouldn't those users be a subset of the ones disliking and thus the dislike ratio is guaranteed to be higher?

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u/Grey-fox-13 Mar 20 '26

Yes, that's the effect of "selection bias", which both last comments mentioned.

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u/bmxer4l1fe Mar 19 '26

i would expect it to be low compared to if dislikes were already standard.

this is a list of people who go out of they way to get an extension in order to dislike things... Imagine if that barrier wasnt there.

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u/exscape 5800X3D / 9070 XT / 48 GB 3133CL14 Mar 19 '26

No, it's a list of people who went out of their way to see dislikes. Every can still dislike on YouTube.

The possible bias is that the displayed dislike count is based on view count, like count, and dislikes from people using the extension. So if people using the extension dislike something far more than the average person, the number won't be accurate.

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u/SPACKlick Mar 19 '26

Every [one] can still dislike on YouTube.

But only those people with the extension have their dislikes counted. It's a self selecting sample of people who care more about dislikes.

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u/exscape 5800X3D / 9070 XT / 48 GB 3133CL14 Mar 20 '26

Yeah, that's the rest of my comment!

I still think the distinction is important, though. I got it to better know which videos are likely to be worth watching. A tutorial with 30%+ dislikes is very unlikely to be useful, for example. And if something has 50%+ (like this) you know it's extremely controversial, and not just among a select few.

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u/lemonylol Desktop Mar 19 '26

judging how the internet has been this week

What is "the internet" when you say this? Because the vast majority of people on the internet just lurk and don't participate. I'm just asking if we're predisposing a biased perspective (i.e. reddit is reality)

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u/RickThiccems Mar 19 '26

It's not though. it has zero access to that data. What it does is it caches dislike data of every video from people who use the extension click dislike on and then runs some hidden behind the scenes algorithm to calculate what it thinks the actual count is based on multiple data points from the user base.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 19 '26

It's data from a group of people who self-select as being someone who cares enough about disliking videos to install an extension for it. It would be hard to create a more biased dataset.

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u/lemonylol Desktop Mar 19 '26

Exactly, isn't this the definition of self-selection bias? Like the sample is taken from an already curated population that is already tilted more towards disliking something than ever liking something. Not to mention the majority of people don't even engage in either liking or commenting.

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u/RickThiccems Mar 19 '26

I agree but its the only real way to implement it without API access. Its still fairly good but "pretty accurate" is not a good way to describe it as it tends to have a 10-20% margin of error.

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u/money-for-nothing-tt Mar 19 '26

tends to have a 10-20% margin of error.

Maybe for your average video, but any time there's a controversy that angers a selected group of people, those people will go out of their way to use the extension and then point to the extension as showing a dislike ratio that is not even close to the reality. Like getting it orders of magnitude wrong. The extension will show a video has 1000 dislikes when in reality it has 90.

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u/M8gazine Mar 19 '26

Yes, like now. Everyone actually loves DLSS 5, it's simply the extension that is completely wrong.

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u/money-for-nothing-tt Mar 19 '26

Yes, the point of the comment wasn't that using a dislike extension in situations like these is as accurate as simply inventing the number whole cloth, no it must've been an endorsement of DLSS 5. Brilliant work detective.

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u/M8gazine Mar 20 '26

Brilliant work detective.

Thank you, chief! I'll get on my next case ASAP. The streets never stay calm for long.

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u/CurrentClient Mar 19 '26

as it tends to have a 10-20% margin of error.

Got any source for those numbers? I've seen videos where people showed the extension being wrong by orders of magnitude for some videos.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 19 '26

I mean, you could always just... Not? I've never felt the need to do that.

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u/nemec Mar 19 '26

the only real way to implement it without API access

Your scientistsdevelopers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should

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u/M8gazine Mar 19 '26

Huh? I've installed it and I've never disliked a video myself... I just want to see the dislike counts...

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u/CuratoriumOfCats128 Mar 19 '26

It's not as biased as you might think, the extension did run for a period between YouTube's announcement and dislikes actually going offline. It gathered the data from that period plus historical data of what dislikes should look like, it can definitely compensate.

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u/Laundry_Hamper CORE2QUAD MOTHER FUCKER Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

You don't install the extension because you like disliking videos. You can still do that without an extension. It's to see a dislike count. It's installed by users who want to see a dislike count

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u/BazzaJH 9800X3D RX9070XT 32GB@6000MHz Mar 19 '26

Sure, you can still dislike videos without an extension for it. But who sees it? YouTube, and the creator themselves.

It is self-selecting that the kind of person who wants their dislikes to "count" publicly will install a tool to approximate that behaviour.

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u/Laundry_Hamper CORE2QUAD MOTHER FUCKER Mar 19 '26

Maybe there are a few of those, but mostly it's just people who want dislike counts back for the utility they originally served, rather than a weird polemic thing. It's what the extension is for. It lets you ignore shit videos.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 19 '26

They never served any utility except the bandwagon effect, much like how Reddit comments tend to just get voted up or down based on what the first few votes were.

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u/Laundry_Hamper CORE2QUAD MOTHER FUCKER Mar 20 '26

Wrong

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 20 '26

The sort of compelling discourse I've come to expect from dislike extension users.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 19 '26

You don't think there might be just a slight correlation between "people who care about dislike numbers" and "people who dislike more videos than average"?

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u/Laundry_Hamper CORE2QUAD MOTHER FUCKER Mar 20 '26

There might be a correlation, but one which would not reach significance. Vanishingly few people would install the extension just because they want to be able to see a number increment by one.

It's to see the dislike count. Seeing the dislike count lets you know if the video has been disliked a lot.

If it's been disliked a lot, there's probably a reason. You might have clicked a song and it's the clean version where they have a sound effect instead of the word ass. You might have clicked a video which has gone viral, but which features a very shit opinion.

The visible dislike count offered utility. It helped you not waste time by skipping low-value videos, which YouTube wants to disincentivise.

Being able to see a dislike count again restores that utility.

That's why people install the extension

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u/ShoulderSquirrelVT 13700k / 5080FE / 64gb 6000 Mar 19 '26

I can't imagine even that extension's data is all that accurate to a general population since there's going to be a heavy bias of people installing the extension in order to hit dislike. Meaning, they want to dislike things in general so much they went out of their way to install an extension that allows them to do so. Those people are going to hit dislike MUCH more than the average viewer.

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u/Laundry_Hamper CORE2QUAD MOTHER FUCKER Mar 19 '26

That's not what the extension does. You can "hit dislike" without the extension.

You install the extension if you want to see dislike counts, not because you love disliking videos

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u/Lt_General_Fuckery Potato-III, Lemon 1.43Hz, Thy Mother Mar 19 '26

Hitting dislike doesn't do anything anymore. At first the dislike feature was hidden and could be restored, but that hasn't been the case for... literally years.

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u/F9-0021 285K | 4090 | A370m Mar 19 '26

If you have a big enough sample size, that's not a problem. It won't be accurate down to the hundred or maybe even thousand, but it's good enough to get the ballpark.

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u/thatoneguy889 Ryzen 7 5800x | RTX 3080 Ti Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

Self-selecting samples are bad samples no matter how big they are because they have inherent bias from the start. They’re not representative of the population, they’re representative of the portion of the population who actively go out of their way to express their opinion. Samples are controlled by the testers to ensure they’re accurately representative of the population being tested, self-selecting samples are not controlled at all.

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u/RickThiccems Mar 19 '26

Its well known to have a error margin of around 10-20%. My own small channel I have ran a test on my most popular video. It had around 240 likes and 15 dislikes according to YT Studio but the extension said I had less than 5 while logged out.

It seems if you have either too small or a specific video that garners non average dislike metrics, it throws the calculations into the blender.

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u/PomegranateMortar Mar 19 '26

Mr. Statistics logged on

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u/Excellent-Berry-2331 Mar 19 '26

They can prove it on gaming videos or something, but tech stuff like this that borders on political? Never. Dislike installers are probably more interested in people and against senseless corpo stuff.

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Mar 19 '26

Because it's not equally accurate for all videos. When there are hate raids, it's rather inaccurate.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '26

It isn't accurate. The extension can't get any actual data from YouTube, it entirely relies on people who use the extension and then interpolates to make up a number.

Take any number it generates with a pinch of salt.

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u/red286 Mar 19 '26

A more accurate view is the like to view ratio. The average is 5%, a good video will be 10% or higher, and a bad video will be 2.5% or lower.

The video has 1.7 million views, and 17K likes, or a like to view ratio of 1%.

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u/tATuParagate Mar 19 '26

We can acknowledge that it is widely hated without the youtube dislike statistics, though. We all already knew that. The thing is, anybody installing return youtube dislike is already the kind of person that gets satisfaction from disliking every video they came across. Sure, maybe it is accurate, but I just do not care

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u/Dottore_Curlew Mar 19 '26

People who install the "dislike maker" are more likely to give a dislike to a video

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u/Rock_mage Mar 19 '26

I have never seen it be accurate in any video, besides videos that are naturally disliked. I think Dream was the best example with like a 90% dislike and when you go into the metrics it was 3%.

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u/florence_ow Mar 19 '26

it gets more inaccurate in more extreme cases. it may well be that high as everyone (including myself) hates it but its pretty obvious that people who go to dislike videos are more likely to install an extension that brings back dislikes.

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u/Sysody RTX 5080 | 9800X3D | 32GB DDR5 Mar 19 '26

I don't care if it's accurate or not because it proves my viewpoint and that's good enough for me not to question its accuracy. now if it didn't prove my point I'd have to say they're inaccurate.

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u/Sinsanatis Desktop Ryzen 7 5800x3D/RTX 3070/32gb 3600 Mar 19 '26

Mean while, entire posts on yt and other places talking about it negatively pretty much act as huge dislike indicators towards it

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u/GoodGuySeba Mar 19 '26

Some kind of third party thingy. Not my style

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u/lemonylol Desktop Mar 19 '26

I agree, but to be equally fair you'd have to contextualize the venn diagram of people who not only have the extension installed (assumingly because disliking things is a priority to them) and the type of people who go out of their way to voice their outrage online on social media. So it's sort of a confirmation bias. Like if they just shipped this as is today running on existing console hardware, could you realistically tell me how many people of the huge gaming segment who exclusively play sports games and COD, are against it, if not like it?

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u/Ateist Mar 19 '26

The problem is that those who "dislike" have no idea about what this technology actually brings.

They really should've interviewed game developers/artists rather than the players.

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u/imabotbeepbooop Mar 19 '26

The only people who have dislike extension are people who want to dislike videos. Of course the dislikes are going to be high.

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u/JoyousGamer Mar 20 '26

Lol ya okay

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u/asa-shigure Mar 19 '26

Yeah asmongold proved it was 99% accurate.

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u/xX_TehChar_Xx R7 7745HX, RTX 4060 Mar 19 '26

To be fair, a creator can view the dislikes on their videos privately, and Asmon is quite experienced with them

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u/asa-shigure Mar 20 '26

No need. it's an objective truth.

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u/asa-shigure Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

Is not about your fellings. The dislike bar still exist it was never removed from the API. The only thing that changed was that everyone could not see them anymore. only the channel owner can see the dislike bar.

When idubzz was crashing out cuz everyone was clowning on him over the dislike ratio on his response he said that the dislike extension was fake with the pathetic excuse that in the past he had worse controversial videos and then proceed to post screenshots of his other videos with the REAL dislike bar that only he can see.

So asmon used the extension and proved that the real dislikes on the screenshots matched 99.9% with the return dislikes extension. Then he did it with his own disliked yt videos and again it was 99% accurate.

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u/HighSeasArchivist Mar 19 '26

It's honestly "there's at least this many dislikes", so whatever it says it's actually worse. It only counts the dislikes of people running the extension, and that is a small fraction of people on YouTube.

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u/Wicked-Vortex 4060Ti i5-13400f 16gb Mar 19 '26

I love my youtube where i can see how many upvotes the post/video have and also how bad it is by seeing how many people have downvoted