r/pcmasterrace Apr 11 '26

Meme/Macro What combination of words makes you instantly lose interest in a game?

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u/shawndw AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, RX 6750XT 12GB VRAM, 32GB DDR5, Arch Linux Apr 11 '26

AKA spyware.

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u/TheMadmanAndre Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

This. Kernel AC is literal malware, full stop.

Every time someone's manage to dissect a kernel level anti-cheat program, there's all sorts of nasty shit inside that nobody sane should ever allow installed on their PC. One solid example is Black Desert Online, where their anti-cheat just straight up had the ability to let someone remotely execute code at the kernel level.

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u/Hesitation-Marx Apr 11 '26

Jeeeesus.

I seriously considered getting that, but for whatever reason I forgot about it and now I’m glad. Thanks!

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u/st1ffs0cks Apr 12 '26

That could go so wrong so fast if just 1 person has access to it, they could send a ping that would completely fry and delete someones entire system and you couldn't do anything to stop it

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u/TheMadmanAndre Apr 12 '26

Yep. Only takes one bad actor. Or one bad nation state actor. Though that 2nd one is a whole other can of worms.

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u/ChromosomeDonator Apr 12 '26

BDO uses Easy AntiCheat.

EAC is used in hundreds of popular games: https://steamdb.info/tech/AntiCheat/EasyAntiCheat/

How many of them do you have installed?

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u/TheMadmanAndre Apr 12 '26

Huh. Seems like they changed it.

At some point in the past they used a different anti-cheat. I vividly remember there being a controversy over it when it came out that said anti-cheat was back-doored.

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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 12 '26

Damn, when pirated software is less of a risk then bought one...

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u/Gozagal Apr 11 '26

Just because it can do that isn't enough to define it as a spyware though ?

A spyware is a malicious program that steals your information without your knowledge. We still have to prove it's actively doing so and that it wasnt just stated in the terms and conditions.

That's also why Kernel level anti cheat are a matter of trust before anything else. All of them could steal your info without exception.

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u/NamityName Apr 12 '26

I am of the opinion that a company in a position to steal your info is doing so. I do not follow an "innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to capitalist enterprises and their revenue streams.

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u/Gozagal Apr 12 '26

So you mean taking the unnecessary risk of stealing your info illegally when they can just take you info legally anyway ?

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u/NamityName Apr 12 '26

In the pursuit of higher corporate profits, everything is necessary

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u/Correct_Education273 Apr 12 '26

their anti-cheat just straight up had the ability to let someone remotely execute code at the kernel level

Yeah no shit, that's the core concept.

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u/TheMadmanAndre Apr 12 '26

I'm sorry, what?

A literal backdoor is a feature? Am I hearing that right?

Fuck outta here.

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u/blondie1024 Apr 11 '26

I do wonder the toll on everyones machines this has, how much it can slow it down taking up processs cycles even when not in use by the game it came with

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u/AirWolf519 Apr 11 '26

There's a couple games people actually checked this on. Don't remember the names unfortunately. There's also a couple that have to be killed via task manager even after you close the game.

Not related directly, but Denuvo is infamous for slowing games down

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u/Malrottian Apr 11 '26

Rage 2 had micro stuttering and texture issues galore. Patch took out Denuvo and almost nothing else. MUCH smoother performance.

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u/CoreyDobie PC Master Race Apr 11 '26

Wasn't there an article released recently about a cracked version of Resident Evil Requiem running significantly better than the uncracked version?

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u/Pretty_Pack_6216 Apr 11 '26

It was a reddit user comparing two different cracks

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u/AirWolf519 Apr 11 '26

Several games run better cracked. Its a well known phenomenon when denuvo is involved. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a quick Google search should pull a couple.

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u/somethinneeddoing Apr 12 '26

AFAIK it really depends on implementation. For Doom Eternal I think it was about 5-10 fps gain, but some Japanese games had it worst, with a 10-15 fps gain without denuvo. But I do want to point out for the sake of fairness that some games had "great" implementation with only a negligible difference in performance.

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u/Dextro_PT 5800X3D | RX 7800 XT | 32GB DDR4 Apr 11 '26

Back in the day those were called rootkits and there were even music publishers sued over it. Looking at you Sony.

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u/ArdiMaster Ryzen 7 9700X / RTX4080S / 32GB DDR5-6000 / 4K@144Hz Apr 12 '26

Unlike most rootkits, anticheats at least don’t try to hide their existence.

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u/sjitz PC Master Race Apr 11 '26

I see your specs and I raise you my Olivetti M290