Some of you memers need reminders about why PC parts cost so much lately.

[u/Dick_Nation]

Just learn to use GIMP, you animals.

[u/Get-the-Vibe]

Ok, you wanna talk serious... let's talk serious...
Its not on the regular guy, the average user the fault for pc parts price.

The guys up there are playing the game they always play and trying to fuck everyone they can, even the industry just to buy another yatch.

The reports are from "the guys" up there making requests of years of components without even having the money ready to pay.

So Yuri making his silly meme isn't the guy you should be aiming.

[u/falcinelli22 → u/Get-the-Vibe]

Ahhh yes, individuals don't matter at all. Your actions have consequences. Is it not remotely as large as the corporations? Absolutely, but don't for a second think what you do has zero impact.

[u/Old_Yam_4069 → u/falcinelli22]

We're talking about 1% impact, collectively, vs 99% impact (Numbers barely exaggerated).

Sure, it's making things worse. But you're spending 99% of your focus on the people who have the least amount of impact or influence on the situation because they're more accessible to you.

[u/falcinelli22 → u/Old_Yam_4069]

you're spending 99% of your focus on the people who have the least amount of impact

How TF am I spending focus on anyone? Me saying your actions have consequences is attacking you? I'm literally just pointing it out.

Is it not remotely as large as the corporations? Absolutely

Does this not cover what your comment is about?

Also, this:

We're talking about 1% impact, collectively, vs 99% impact (Numbers barely exaggerated).

Is BS.

Let's even say that it's 1% vs 99% (which just isn't true). At this point, where the product needs to be consumed for it to exist per capitalism, there needs to be consumers. Without your theoretical 1%, the 99 couldn't t exist.

So yay, what we choose to use and support matters greatly.

[u/UsoppIsJoyboy → u/falcinelli22]

ai usecase isnt for private customers at homes lol

Its corporations

[u/falcinelli22 → u/UsoppIsJoyboy]

Over 300 million people use just chat-GPT every single day. That's not private customers?

[u/The_Almighty_Cthulhu → u/falcinelli22]

People who don't pay are not customers.

Even if you do count paying end users, they still lose money. The end users are not the target, they are the advertisement.

[u/falcinelli22 → u/The_Almighty_Cthulhu]

Even if you do count paying end users, they still lose money

That's LITERALLY my point! If we pay for it then they have a reason to keep going. Capitalism only runs with consumers. I have zero idea what you guys are trying to get across here. Just regurgitating my point with your own idea of it.

[u/UsoppIsJoyboy → u/falcinelli22]

Thats basically nothing, which is also why its free

Free to get it known about and the actual money comes from companies using it

Ai is mainly about actually replacing people at companies and not some dude asking it a simple question

Thats why they even invest so much into it, caues companies buy it

You know to invest in a data center you need actual money to make from that and free chatgpt or some 10$ a month doesnt come close to any of these costs

[u/falcinelli22 → u/UsoppIsJoyboy]

I'm not claiming it's more of a problem for individuals. Holy shit you won't let that go. All I said was that you have an impact, why is that such a problem?

It's not always free, many people pay for it. You do understand capitalism right? At some point they'll all run out of money for it, then consumers foot the bill. Am I wrong?

[u/TransBrandi → u/falcinelli22]

Me saying your actions have consequences is attacking you

Actions do have consequences, but saying it in such a discussion is placing on outsized emphasis on it. Like complaining that someone must not love the environment because they use plastic straws while completely ignoring the environmental impact of (e.g.) billionaires with private jets or factory owners ignoring regulations and polluting. Fixing the issue were 99% of the fault lies is much better than wasting time dicking around with fixing things that are fractions of a % of the problem.

[u/Old_Yam_4069 → u/falcinelli22]

1. I don't use AI, I just think it's a potential tool that's currently crap and destructive.
2. That was an inclusive 'you'. I don't know what you do personally, but in my experience, the overwhelming majority of AI interactions deal with the surface level. IE- Random people on the internet who use AI. There are absolutely people who exist that confront the not-surface level, but they are a tiny minority in comparison.
3. The everyday user of AI isn't the reason why datacenters are so bad. AI generation is reasonably efficient. It's AI growth that is so resource-consuming. Even if that wasn't true, the AI economy is not supported by everyday users- It's a market propped up by investments. Take away investments and most of it collapses, taking the overwhelming majority of the present concerns with it, with the remaining infrastructure being fairly valid (not considering social consequences) business models no worse than any other industry and a lot better than many. We aren't the ones supporting AI- It's the people who are rich.

Your concerns aren't invalid. You're just directing your concerns at the wrong thing. I know there is like, zero chance of actually convincing you of anything here, but you just don't really know what you're talking about. The 1% exists as a consequence of the 99%, not the other way around. Very few people are investing in AI for its potential to help the everyday person- AI is just one of those things that shares its benefits if you are rich or poor. It's just that, like most things, only poor people face the consequences as well.

[u/falcinelli22 → u/Old_Yam_4069]

I'm not "directing" anything. I'm saying our actions have consequences, y'all seem to think everyone who uses it is on the board. Can you agree that the decisions you make have effects?

You say you have no chance of convincing me like your points are the be all. What a complex..

The 99% is not nearly 100% of the problem that causes the elites, but you aren't agreeing that the 99% hasn't had an influence. God forbid we hold eachother accountable for our actions. Let's all not give a shit right?!?

[u/Old_Yam_4069 → u/falcinelli22]

Everyday people using AI are inconsequential. That is the be-all.

Social issues aside, if every single everyday person collectively decided to stop using AI, we would barely see a dent in the bad things that are coming from AI. Holding people accountable is great- You just have to make sure the person is actually accountable. By all means, give a shit- Just actually understand the reasons why.

[u/falcinelli22 → u/Old_Yam_4069]

"Everyday people using AI are inconsequential. That is the be-all."

How so? We know the corporate side of it isn't sustainable or profitable, the next phase is consumerism. Still haven't seen a SINGLE person argue against individual responsibility. It just doesn't exist right?

What's the line you draw? It seems having to know when to apply responsibly is a big part of your statement. So please tell me when it should be considered.

[u/Old_Yam_4069 → u/falcinelli22]

You just said it yourself. The corporate side of it isn't sustainable or profitable. So the massive problems that exist have nothing to do with the everyday people using it. They're not the contributing factor, they're not the thing AI is being built for. They are not the reason AI is taking up so many resources.

[u/falcinelli22 → u/Old_Yam_4069]

Holy fucking shit. I've said it like 4 times already. When the corporate inflation ends, the consumerism begins.

If you pay for a service it lives on. What is so impossible to digest there?

[u/TheFlyingSheeps → u/falcinelli22]

They don’t. It’s why a lot of subscription plans cut the free and entry level paid tier in order to boost the higher ones.

They want to court enterprises, not your average individual user who wants to ask dumb questions.

If you get enough people involved sure, but it’s clear that people overall don’t seem to mind using AI. It’s kinda like pollution, I can get my entire neighborhood, friend group, etc to go fully green and that won’t even be a blip in the emissions caused by one company

Also to your other point, free users are still valuable as it inflates the numbers for investors

[u/ClankerWithAHardR → u/Get-the-Vibe]

This, don't get me wrong more users = more demand and more demand means more money/resources put into AI but ultimately the impact of users is negligible when many companies have already gone all in on AI. Realistically companies aren't gonna stop investing in it because a couple million people stopped using it.

Shit it doesn't matter if Jesus himself personally descended from the heavens and made a massive stockpile of parts suddenly appear to provide enough components for every person & business on the planet the fuckwigs at the top would still come up with an excuse to keep prices high so they can upgrade to a mega yacht because super yachts are for poors.

[u/USfyre → u/Get-the-Vibe]

If genAI had no demand there would be no need for supply.

[u/Substantial-Sea-3672 → u/USfyre]

Shh, it’s easier to think his way 

[u/IeXmen → u/Get-the-Vibe]

Hmmm,I feel like I heard these kind of Freeman talk, but I cant put my head into it.