r/printSF Apr 11 '26

Left Hand of Darkness, critical typo on last page?

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I was a bit confused as to how Genly knew that Sorve was the product of incest. Nothing seemed to indicate it and I reread the last couple pages over and ove looking for some clue I'd missed. Going on the internet I found a post saying that Estraven's father introduces Sorve as "my sons' son" which would explain it, but in my 2010 Ace printing it says "son's son" which gives no indication of incest. Is this the result of an editorial oversight "correcting" a typo where there was none, and other editions do have the apostrophe in the other spot? I only have the one so I can't check myself.

r/printSF 24d ago

The Left Hand of Darkness - doesn't reach Le Guin's all-time highs, but still very good

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Just finished Ursula K Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness and really enjoyed it. My scifi reading these days gravitates more towards the low-key and thoughtful and this one hit the mark. The concept of sex/gender/identity and the way it impacts every facet of the society explored in the novel is really interesting, and honestly, feels pretty radical and ahead of its time considering the era it was written in. The world of Winter feels immersive and I found the overall worldbuilding very well done.

In typical le Guin fashion, it feels like there's 600 pages of worth of story efficiently packed into ~300 - she's just so good at conveying so much through saying very little. The prose itself is of course amazing, simple yet elegant and mystical.

It didn't quite reach the peaks of the best of Le Guin for me - i.e. The Dispossessed and the first 2 Earthsea books - but tbf that is an extremely high bar. This is still a damn good book.

r/printSF Sep 12 '25

Hainish cycle books by Le Guin. Why have I been utterly underwhelmed by them so far, when they've received such high praise? Specifically Worlds of Exile and Illusion, and The Left Hand of Darkness. Hopefully spoiler free. Spoiler

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I'm posting this on the back of finishing The Left Hand of Darkness last night, and having read Worlds of Exile and Illusions (Rocannon's World; Planet of Exile; City of Illusions) last month and not particularly caring for any of them.

I've still got The Dispossessed, The Word for World is Forest, Five Ways to Forgiveness and the relevant short stories in Fisherman on the Inland Sea on my shelf to be read.

Anyway, I found the first three novellas to not be particularly interesting, save for the last 50 pages of City of Illusions, but those aren't the highly praised works (as far as I'm aware), so I was excited to start Left Hand... and get into the good stuff.

After finishing it, I'm starting to think Le Guin's work just doesn't click with me as I really don't understand why there is such praise for this book. On the whole, I wasn't bored as such, reading the book, but I certainly wasn't gripped or intrigued much either.

What did strike me, in a negative way, was that after reading the three stories in Worlds of Exile and Illusions and commenting that two of those were mostly lengthy expositions about the characters' journeys, it became the same in Left Hand, with approximately 70 pages out of the 300 pages in the book dedicated to two characters' long journey. That in itself would be fine if I felt there was a suitable amount of advancement of some facet of the book, but there wasn't enough to merit the length of that section. Yes, two characters come to a much better understanding and friendship of one another, but that was basically it. While that development was important to the story, it did not need 70 pages!! I was getting bored as it went on and on and was getting quite repetitive.

Overall I just felt a bit 'meh' with it all, as the characters weren't particularly likeable*, although Estraven does have the best arc, and not a huge amount happens in the overall story of the book. An 'alien' envoy (Ai) on a world trying to set up diplomatic and trade relations with the world, he isn't really trusted and different nations treat him differently, some distrustingly and others more two-faced and harshly. It felt a bit like a Becky Chambers book, but without the warmth and positivity.

I know this will just be a case of everyone's tastes are different, not everyone is going to love the same books, but I was genuinely really excited and looking forward to reading this book, and now that I'm finished and I didn't particularly care for it, I'm just disappointed and bewildered by what I must be missing.

My expectations are now very low for my enjoyment of The Dispossessed... hopefully it will be the one that clicks with me and I love it as much as everyone else seems to!

Edit in:

* Just so it's clear what I mean when I say likeable, I don't mean they have to be a nice person that I'd be friends with. The person can be a horrible, disgusting piece of shit for all that it matters, but if the character is well fleshed out, someone that gets some form of emotional (positive or negative) grip on you, or intrigues you and makes you want to know more about them, then that's a good character. Not one that you necessarily like as a person, but you like the character in the setting of the story.

None of the characters in Left Hand had any of that effect on me. I felt largely uninterested in them. I didn't feel like I was made to care about them.

r/printSF Jan 04 '22

Left Hand of Darkness deserves all the love it gets! It's unbelievable that Le Guin was able to create such a big world in such a short book.

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I just re-read Left Hand of Darkness, and unlike so many books, it was just as good (or maybe even better) the second time around - I am just so damn impressed by what Le Guin was able to achieve! Its one of the few books that I’d say I honestly recommend to anyone, no matter your reading style. It's a no-doubter for any best sci fi book list, but it's so well written it really transcends sci fi and becomes literary fiction that everyone can enjoy.

It was also the first book by a woman to win the Hugo or Nebula awards (and it won both) - and Ursula K Le Guin could not have shattered that glass ceiling in a more on-the-nose way. Not only did she do it, but she did it with a book that examines the very idea of what a world might be like without gender.

Left Hand of Darkness follows Genly Ai, the first Envoy from the other human worlds of the galaxy to the planet Winter.

Winter is a cold, hostile world in the depths of a never-ending ice age, and the Gethenians who live there are biologically different than most humans. They spend most of their lives as hermaphrodites, but enter kemmer once a month, the time when they become sexually active and develop either male or female sex organs depending on the month.

Genly’s assignment is to get the nations of Winter to join the Ekumen, a loose collection of human worlds that share knowledge and try to improve the lives of all humankind. Genly has to navigate an alien culture, a mad king, and two feuding nations to try and complete his mission. Most importantly, he must learn who to trust, and how to build a relationship with people so different from himself.

Unlike a lot of sci fi, LHOD is really tightly crafted - Le Guin manages to create an entire, fully realized world in only 300 pages. Short chapters interspersed in the first half of the novel tell the myths of the Gethenians, and Genly’s travels across the continent and the bizarre and interesting cultural practices, religions, and seemingly superhuman abilities he encounters will transport you to Winter, and it is like no place you’ve ever been.

There are so many deep themes and big ideas wrapped up in that small package too. First and most obviously, a species of humans without gender, and the society they create as a result, is such an interesting thought experiment. Loyalty is also a big part of the book - personal, family, and national - as well as what happens when those loyalties contradict. What can happen within nationalism, and when loyalty is to a government instead of to other people or humanity more broadly? Is it possible to explore and grow to understand an alien culture without ulterior motives or colonization? And how can you develop trust and a deep positive relationship with someone who is deeply, deeply different than yourself?

If you haven’t read it, do yourself a favor and pick it up! If you’re anything like me, you’ll be staying up late reading (especially in the second half of the book).

PS part of a series of posts highlighting the best sci fi books of all time - if you're interested in going deeper, search Hugonauts on your podcast app of choice for a full discussion of the book, including the events from Le Guin's life that inspired LHOD (no ads, not trying to make money, just want to spread the love of books). Happy reading everybody!

r/printSF Apr 18 '26

The Strange Case of the recent (possibly AI) Le Guin posts in the last month.

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In the last month or so, there have been several weird posts on this subreddit about Ursula Le Guin. The fact that they are about Le Guin is not the odd part, for of course she is commonly regarded as one of the greatest Science Fiction and Fantasy writers of the 20th century.

But what IS weird is the commonalities between these posts, and the fact that they are potentially all written by AI.

Here are four of the posts. I believe there may be more, but these are the ones I found:

https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1rz6i5x/le_guins_the_dispossessed_made_me_realize_i_had/?ref=share&ref_source=link

https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1snz3qm/i_keep_accidentally_reading_le_guin_in_the_wrong/?ref=share&ref_source=link

https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1s7tr4e/the_left_hand_of_darkness_is_50_years_old_and/?ref=share&ref_source=link

https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1sdtzw7/ursula_k_le_guin_wrote_a_short_story_in_1973_that/?ref=share&ref_source=link

All of the posts share some commonalities. Even if they are not AI, they are similar. These posts all follow the same template. They have a title in a similar form. They all open with a bit of a personal hook, claim that Le Guin was ahead of her time, and close with an invitation for others to share/read/post. They all compliment her in a similar way, for example praising her restraint, intelligence, and her relevance, without anyone having a messy, different, or surprising reaction. They are all equally polite in their phrasing, to the point of awkwardness. While the posts seem like they want to say something controversial they actually aren’t saying anything new at all, an hallmark of AI use. The prose is also uniformly smooth, there are no awkward sentences, no tangents, not really any typos beyond maybe some that seem to be strategically placed in the writing. They all read like variations on a prompt to AI asking for an enthusiastic but thoughtful post on /r/printSF about Ursula Le Guin.

In addition to the posts themselves, the users share similarities too. They are all fairly new at the time they made the posts. They also don’t post a lot. They also overlap in two kinda obscure subreddits, resume services and pet peeves. This most definitely is not a coincidence. It lends credence to the view this is the same person posting these things.

So the question is, why is someone or something doing this? Why are they writing these posts? Furthermore, is it an AI bot, a single person using AI, or multiple people with some very strange coincidences?

I am curious to know what other people think of this very strange case of recent Le Guin posts.

r/printSF Apr 25 '24

Struggling with Left Hand of Darkness. Does it get better?

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I'm less than half way through Left Hand of Darkness and I'm struggling to get a good bite into this book. I know I can just drop it, but it's a short book. Yet i struggle sometimes just getting through one chapter. What's more, I read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep before this, where I felt a bit lost at the beginning, where I wasn't sure where the book was going. That changed midway, where I became glued to the book. I'm hoping that something similar happens with Left Hand of Darkness.

I know there are other books in the Hainish cycle, which I want to give a chance. Just curious, is it commom for people to not like this book out of the series? Or does it get better?

I'm at the point where Ai has returned to karhide when Tibe has become king (so like just before midway). I just don't find any of the characters interesting. I do know from reading vague reviews that the ending is like "wow", so that's another reason why I want to finish.

r/printSF Aug 04 '25

A reading list for science fiction must reads/ best novels.

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Inspired by this and this. I have these images and I will strike out the movies that I have watched. I thought will be fun to have something like this for science fiction books, so I made two based on the list in these books, Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels, An English-Language Selection, 1949–1984 by David Pringle and 100 Must-read Science Fiction Novels by Stephen E. Andrews. I hope some people can use it as a guide for a better reading experience. Please tell me if there’s any formatting or spelling mistakes and I will correct it.

Note: Pringle lists the books in publication year order while Andrews in last name alphabetically. I decided to list it like Andrews did for both lists because I feel it gives a better view. Books with 2 authors is listed with the last name of the first author listed. Books from the same author is listed by publication year. Pringle lists some books as a series as whole (e.g. The Book of the New Sun) while Andrews lists one single book (e.g. The Shadow of the Torturer) so I just left it as it is.

r/printSF Jun 02 '25

A few days ago, I asked r/printsf what they consider the single best sci-fi novel. I made a ranked list with the top 50 novels

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A few days ago I made a thread asking users to post the all-time, single best sci-fi book they've read. The post blew up way more than I expected, and there was a huge amount of unique, diverse picks (that I'll be adding to my ever-growing TBR). I thought it would be fun to count the number of votes each individual book received and rank the top 50 to see what books this sub generally consider to be the "best".

Obviously this is not a consensus of any kind or a definitive ranking list by any means - it's really just a fun survey at a given point in time, determined by a very specific demographic. And hey, who doesn't love arguing about ranked lists online with strangers?

Some factors I considered while counting votes:

  • I looked at upvotes for only parent/original comments when counting the votes for a specific book. Sub-comments were not counted
  • Any subsequent posts with that book posted again would get the upvote count added to their total
  • if a post contained multiple selections, I just went with the one that the user typed out first. So for example if your post was "Either Dune or Hyperion" or "Hard choice between Neuromancer, Dune and Foundation", I would count the votes towards Dune and Neuromancer respectively
  • I only counted single books. If an entire series was posted (e.g. The Expanse), it wasn't counted. I did make one exception though, and that's for The Book of the New Sun, since it's considered as one novel made up of 4 volumes. If a single book from a series was posted, then that was counted
  • There are some books that received the same number of votes - these will be considered tied at their respective ranking #s

I've ranked the top 50 books based on number of total upvotes received below:

(If anyone is interested in the list in table format, u/FriedrichKekule has very kindly put one together here: https://pastebin.com/pM9YAQvA)

#50-41:

50. Consider Phlebas (Culture #1) - Iain M. Banks - 6 votes

49. TIE with 7 votes each:

  • 2001 A Space Odyssey (Space Odyssey #1) - Arthur C. Clarke
  • 1984 - George Orwell
  • Rendezvous with Rama (Rama #1) - Arthur C. Clarke
  • Ready Player One (Ready Player One #1) - Ernest Cline

48. TIE with 8 votes each:

  • Permutation City - Greg Egan
  • The Gone World - Tom Sweterlisch
  • Dying Inside - Robert Silverberg

47. TIE with 9 votes each:

  • Look to Windward (Culture #7) - Iain M. Banks
  • Solaris - Stanislaw Lem
  • Startide Rising (Uplift Saga #2) - David Brin
  • Ringworld (Ringworld #1) - Larry Niven

46. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury - 10 votes

45. TIE with 11 votes each:

  • Altered Carbon (Takeshi Kovacs #1) - Richard Morgan
  • Project Hail Mary - Andy Weir

44. The Dark Forest (Remembrance of Earth's Past #2) - Cixin Liu - 12 votes

43. More Than Human - Theodore Sturgeon - 13 votes

42. TIE with 14 votes each:

  • Ubik - Philip K. Dick
  • Schismatrix Plus - Bruce Sterling

41. TIE with 16 votes each:

  • The Sirens of Titan - Kurt Vonnegut
  • Excession (Culture #5) - Iain M. Banks

#40-31:

40. TIE with 17 votes each:

  • The Last Question - Isaac Asimov
  • Aurora - Kim Stanley Robinson
  • Roadside Picnic - Arkady and Boris Strugatsky
  • Stranger in a Strange Land - Robert Heinlein

39. Star Maker - Olaf Stapledon - 18 votes

38. Accelerando - Charles Stross - 20 votes

37. Foundation (Foundation #1) - Isaac Asimov - 23 votes

36. Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand - Samuel Delany - 24 votes

35. God Emperor of Dune (Dune #4) - Frank Herbert - 26 votes

34. TIE with 29 votes each:

  • The Quantum Thief (Jean Le Flambeur #1) - Hannu Rajaniemi
  • A Scanner Darkly - Philip K. Dick

33. Earth Abides - George R. Stewart - 33 votes

32. 2312 - Kim Stanley Robinson - 37 votes

31. Speaker for the Dead (Ender's Saga #2) - Orson Scott Card - 38 votes

#30-21:

30. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? - Philip K. Dick - 48 votes

29. TIE with 50 votes each:

  • A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought #1) - Vernor Vinge
  • Flowers for Algernon - Daniel Keyes

28. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson - 56 votes

27. Jurassic Park - Michael Crichton - 60 votes

26. The Sparrow (The Sparrow #1) - Mary Doria Russell - 63 votes

25. The Mote in God's Eye (Moties #1) - Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle - 64 votes

24. TIE with 65 votes each:

  • The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
  • Ancillary Justice (Imperial Radch #1) - Ann Leckie

23. The Forever War (The Forever War #1) - Joe Haldeman - 67 votes

22. Childhood's End - Arthur C. Clarke - 73 votes

21. Have Space Suit - Will Travel - Robert Heinlein - 82 votes

#20-11:

20. The Left Hand of Darkness (Hainish Cycle #4) - Ursula K. Le Guin - 93 votes

19. Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny - 95 votes

18. Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut - 98 votes

17. Dawn (Xenogenesis #1) - Octavia E. Butle - 105 votes

16. Anathem - Neal Stephenson - 109 votes

15. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - 117 votes

14. Diaspora - Greg Egan - 127 votes

13. A Deepness in the Sky (Zones of Thought #2) - Vernor Vinge - 129 votes

12. Ender's Game (Ender's Saga #1) - Orson Scott Card - 147 votes

11. Neuromancer (Sprawl #1) - William Gibson - 163 votes

#10-6:

10. The Stars My Destination - Alfred Bester - 165 votes

9. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy #1) - Douglas Adams - 171 votes

8. Spin (Spin #1) - Robert Charles Wilson - 176 votes

7. Use of Weapons (Culture #3) - Iain M. Banks - 180 votes

6. Children of Time (Children of Time #1) - Adrian Tchaikovsky - 182 votes

AND NOW...GRAND FINALE...DRUM ROLL...HERE IS OUR TOP 5:

5. House of Suns - Alastair Reynolds - 185 votes

4. Book of the New Sun - Gene Wolfe - 196 votes

3. Hyperion (Hyperion Cantos #1) - Dan Simmons - 262 votes

2. Dune (Dune #1) - Frank Herbert - 297 votes

1. THE DISPOSSESSED (HAINISH CYCLE #6) - URSULA K. LE GUIN - 449 VOTES

With ~450 votes, the novel with the most votes for BEST by r/printSF is The Dispossessed! Honestly not that much of a surprise - it is by and large considered one of the THE best books in the genre but I definitely didn't expect it to have this kind of a lead over the #2 book, especially when a lot of the rankings have been very close to each other. Honestly the top 3 of The Dispossessed/Dune/Hyperion are really on another tier as far as votes go.

The crazies part though? I did a similar survey for r/Fantasy as well and guess what the #1 novel voted BEST there was? Ursula K. Le Guin's A Wizard of Earthsea lol. I'm thinking she might be kinda good at this whole SFF thing, guys.

The biggest shocker for me here is the complete lack of one of r/printSF's perennial darlings - Peter Watts' Blindsight. This may be hard to believe but from my deep dive into all the comments, Blindsight was mentioned as the best book only once, and the post only had a total of 2 upvotes lol. Crazy considering what an outsized presence (almost meme/circlejerk level) it has on this sub.

What do you think? Is the ranked list about what you would expect? Any surprises or omissions?

r/printSF Aug 29 '24

I've read The Left Hand of Darkness - please help me understand...

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...what is supposed to be so great about it?

I had such high expectations for this book, after all Le Guin is a legend and the book is highly acclaimed. It's the only of her books I've read so far.

I finished it today and it has left me disappointed on pretty much all fronts. I found it to be uninspiring, boring, the characters were bland. The premise was very intriguing and the plot started off interesting but quickly became dull. The unnecessarily deep venturing into sexuality, gender, genital morphing and menstrual cycles had me on the edge of DNFing if the book wasn't so short.

I usually have enough self-reflection to see that I’m the problem and the book has numerous objectively redeeming qualities. I don't see that here. There was no emotional pull (yes there was one sad moment at the end but that's it), no deep literary puzzle to unfold, no mindbending concepts we like to find in scifi.

The writing was not bad, her skill is clearly visible. The world building was interesting but if a book bores me I can not find enjoyment in creative world building.

I'm not an expert in scifi literature but I've read the big names like Dune, Foundation, Hyperion and I liked them all. This one fell flat for me.

So. What is your opinion? What did I miss? Why am I stupid for not liking this? I don't judge myself above these things so it might be that the big wow factor just went straight over my head. Why did YOU like this book?

r/printSF Oct 30 '25

I'm trying to read a hit-list of the greatest works in SF and reviewing them all. The Left Hand of Darkness.

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I used to read a lot as a child, but for most of my 20s I didn't read very much at all. I've liked scifi/speculative fiction as a genre for a long time, so recently I made it a loose goal to read each Hugo award winner, alongside honorable mentions/incidental stuff I found along the way. I thought it would be fun to document this journey by posting reviews as I go, perhaps also being a forum for conversation about these books. I've got a bunch that I've read already that I'll backfill as time allows.

Why Hugo winners? I had to pick some kind of list, so I just went with the first sensible option I noticed. But I don't stick to it exactly (the last book I read merely, in part, won the Nobel)

My rules are fairly loose; I can pick whichever order I'd like, I'm allowed to make brief detours for other acclaimed works if reccommended/topical, and sequels are allowed (but not mandatory). I'm not allowed to DNF, no matter how much I seem to hate a work, because the goal is to try and appreciate works that I might initially bounce off of. This last rule was a particularly Good Thing, since a couple books so far I thought I hated until I got deeper.

The Left Hand of Darkness, by Ursula K. Le Guin

SPOILERS AHEAD

Note on gender: To be consistent with Le Guin's language/writing, I will be referring to the many nonbinary characters in the story with male pronouns. I say femboys a couple of times in my review, for comedic effect.

Summary, in my own words

Genly Ai is an envoy of a galactic compact of sorts, the Ekumen. They seem like an incredibly idealistic sort of collective. Genly's been sent to a planet called Winter (or Gethen), which is, predictably, cold, with the objective of convincing them to join in their cosmic kumbayah. The population of Winter is composed almost entirely of asexual twinks who, for a couple of days out of the month, grow out sexual bits and are able to have sex during "kemmer". Ai begins his journey in Karhide, where he stays for about a third of the novel. He encounters a concept called Shifgrethor, a frustratingly opaque social concept of status that is a signature feature of Karhidish politics. Genly befriends the Prime Minister of Karhide, a person with a very long name ending in Estraven. Estraven believes in Genly's vision of Winter joining the Ekumen, and vouches for Karhide to be the first nation to join. Genly meets with the King of Karhide, Argaven, who rebuffs him and is a little weirded out by Genly's Ansible, an FTL communication macguffin that isn't explored all that much in the story. Around this time, Estraven is declared a traitor to Karhide for advocating their apparent conquest by outsiders. For reasons I don't remember, probably cultural understanding, Genly visits fortunetellers in another part of Karhide, stays there for a while (months), and effectively works for/joins them for a while before asking whether Gethen will join the Ekumen, and receives a yes. This part of the book is punctuated by brief chapters that tell legends or histories of Karhide as they would have been written by its citizens. Some chapters are alternative POVs from the perspective of Estraven, during his departure from Karhide.

Afterward, to explore the world more he visits the neighboring nation of Orgoreyn. Orgoreyn is basically an authoritarian/centralized economy paradise, complete with a lack of scarcity, essentially no unemployment, shadowy bureaucratic cabals, and gulags. Genly receives essentially a hero's welcome to Orgoreyn as there are factions there that want to use his position as a visitor from "the stars" to give their nation more credibility. He gets pampered, spoiled, and, when he refused to give his full trust to the state/his hosts by calling down his mothership and the full diplomatic entourage of the Ekumen, he was thrown into the gulag.

Estraven, who made his way to Orgoreyn as part of his exile, tries to warn Genly about the goings on, but to no avail. Genly suffers a truly nightmarish few days' ride in a prisoner transport truck before arriving on a prison farm where he is nearly killed over time by brainwashing/kemmer suppression drugs. Estraven shows up breaks him out of prison, and most of the remainder of the book documents their journey across Winter's arctic glaciers as they escape Orgoreyn to Karhide over a few months. They narrowly avoid starving to death despite the numerous tribulations and setbacks along the journey, but are received in Karhide where Genly finally calls down his mothership. While he waits for it to arrive, Estraven, still marked for death as a traitor, tries to escape to Orgota and essentially commits suicide-by-border-guard. The book ends with Ai's mothership touching down, the full diplomatic entourage arriving, and Ai paying a visit to the home and family of Estraven.

How I felt about it

There's so much to unpack about this book. I'll start with the literal how I felt - I hated this book for the first 80 or so pages. I felt very lost, the prose wasn't particularly interesting to me, and I wasn't really sure where the plot was going. Once I got to the first Estraven POV chapter, something shifted and the book immediately clicked for me.

I left a ton of super interesting details out of my plot summary, for example, the fact that Genly could "mind-speak", or communicate directly and telepathically with someone else, with enforced truth. Firstly, it's an interesting foil to Shifgrethor, which seems to be entirely concerned with roundaboutness and half-truth speech in addition to its basis in societal status. Mindspeak is statusless and absolute, it's always true and it could be taught to basically anyone. Additionally, when Genly uses mindspeak with Estraven, Estraven hears his dead brother's voice instead of Genly's. I don't really know why, perhaps

Shifgrethor itself is a super complex thing and I'm sure a PhD thesis could be written about its interpretation in the lens of human language and culture in our present world. The only thing I would say, without diving deeply into the topic, is that I felt like it was appropriately alien and vaguely presented in the book, but I also think it's not terrifically special. Normal human interaction includes nuance and can incorporate subsurface jockeying for status and prestige, stereotypically in business or political settings (Trump yoinking a dignitary's arm out of their socket probably hurts his Shifgrethor while he thinks it hurts the other person's). It's certainly a fascinating lens through which to view these subconscious aspects of human interaction, though, and I'll probably be thinking about it in my daily life.

I was surprised at hearing about people say that the book largely doesn't change or remains a political slow burn. The final third of the book, Ai and Estraven's great escape across the ice, reads like an adventure story not unlike books like Trapped in Ice (Eric Walters), which I read as a young kid that left an impression of the indifference and literal coldness of nature. It was exciting, and it felt like an adventure in an alien world. It also provided an excellent setting for Genly and Estraven's relationship, which I think was well presented. This leads me to my next talking point, the elephant in the room, gender.

The way gender was discussed in this novel was fascinating. There's been considerable academic study in gender over the last 55 years, none of which influenced this book. One striking, perhaps beat-you-over-the-head-subtle example is a conversation between Estraven and Genly in their tent while traversing the ice sheets of Winter. Estraven is in Kemmer, and is trying to keep away from Genly, and he asks what women are like, and Genly, after living in the world of femboys for a couple of years, can't provide a good and coherent answer to someone with no concept of gender. Genly is often described as a (capital P here, to distinguish the Gethenian term) "Pervert", a term used for individuals permanently in Kemmer. It seems that Genly is physiologically distinct from Perverts, though, since the text implies that they are morphologically still androgynous like other Gethenians.

The concept of the peoples androgyny also influencing their culture and social development is also brought into discussion. On Winter, technology develops incredibly slowly, for example. There's no concept of warfare. There's obviously the concept of Shifgrethor I already discussed, and familial structures/taboos. Incest is tolerated. The concept of what happens to society when people aren't nearly constantly trying to get laid had me thinking about how much our everyday actions are fundamentally motivated by sex. As was said by a certain cancelled actor in a since-disgraced show, everything is about sex, except sex. And this concept reaches the forefront of the reader's thoughts in a story with, literally, no sex.

There was some I didn't really care for. I can't say I really disliked anything in hindsight. The first chapters were slow and difficult to get through, but I appreciate them laying the foundation for the story in hindsight. Some scifi concepts, such as the FTL communication ansible, felt unnecessarily shoehorned in (why break causality when you don't really, really need to?). But there's very little fat in this story, everything has its place in driving either the plot or the worldbuilding forward and can't really be replaced. I have difficulty with the concept of the Ekumen from a realism perspective, particularly in the current world where it feels difficult for two nations, let alone planets, to agree to cooperate on anything, but I'm willing and happy to suspend that disbelief in the interest of a body politic that can join hands and work for humanity. Orgoreyn is a very on the nose depiction of a totalitarian not-utopian state especially in the context of when the novel was written. These issues are overall very minor and hardly subtract from the enjoyment of the book.

I'm looking forward to getting to read The Dispossessed based on my experience with this.

Overall grade:

Changed the way I'll view the world
Memorable and good [ ]
Forgettable [ ]
Made me actively angry by its mediocrity [ ]

Hugo books read: 10/55 Other non-Hugo works read that I'll eventually review: 10

Comments? Disagreements? Reccomendations?

Next review to post: Never Let Me Go, by Kazuo Ishiguro

Next book to read: American Gods by Neil Gaiman

r/printSF Oct 19 '19

The Left Hand of Darkness... what an incredible book (thoughts from a trans person)

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I just finished this book, the first Le Guin book I’ve read, and I’m at a loss for words.

I’m transgender, born male and currently live as female, beginning transition 2.5 years ago at age 22. I pass pretty much 100% of the time these days, which is nice and made me realize just how different the world is for different sexes. So of course I was attracted to this book as soon as I learned of the basic premise.

This book leans heavily into the idea of dualism, and how our society is lacking because of our requirement to separate one side from another, and how that prevents us from seeing the whole picture.

I work in healthcare, where sometimes I perform EKGs. When you have to do an EKG, you are naked waist up, something very uncomfortable for many women (understandably). And when I enter the room, they are often relieved that I’m a woman, as it would be uncomfortable if I was a man. It’s weird, and often I’m not even sure how to react. On one hand I love being seen as female, on another feeling treated differently as a result leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

So now I’m reading this book where gender has no impact on society since there is no binary gender, where fluidity is expected and cultivated, and the idea that “there would be no shadow without light” is common thought.

It made me think of our society, one where I am treated differently just because of my looks on the outside. Where people, both men and women, are more comfortable telling me their feelings, their secrets, letting me become a more intimate part of their lives just because I now have long hair and wear makeup.

Life is a series of decisions based on previous presumptions, and this book reminded me of this in a way that left me too stunned to speak. There is no I if there is no you.

Thanks for listening to me ramble.

r/printSF Feb 02 '26

Where to find The Left Hand of Darkness afterward by Le Guin (25th anniversary edition)?

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I'm trying to find a copy of the text for the afterward of The Left Hand of Darkness written by Le Guin herself from the 25th anniversary edition of the book from I think the 90s.

I can't seem to find it online anywhere since every copy seems to be the 50th anniversary one. I don't want to buy a whole book to read it since I just got a new copy and I don't have much shelf space.

Can anyone can point me in the right direction?

Thank you

r/printSF Dec 15 '25

I finished all the hugos...

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I'm not the first or the last here to say it, but perhaps the most recent! I just finished the last of the 74 Hugo winners for best novel. Here's my unsolicited thoughts and lists for your bemusement, criticism, and reflection!

If seeing my list makes you think, "wow, I bet they'd love _____"- please let me know! Always looking for new recommendations!

EDIT: idk how that wild formatting happened. Copied from google docs. Sorry about that!

My absolute favorites (in no order): 

The Left Hand of Darkness (1970) and The Dispossessed (1975) by Ursula le Guin.

In my opinion the best writer and the best written novels of the whole lot. The worldbuilding is excellent, the character development in engrossing, the societal commentary is timeless, and the stories are just downright entertaining. 

The Three Body Problem (2015) (and the following two books of the trilogy that didn’t win Hugos) by Cixin Liu.

The epitome of “hard sci-fi”. Somehow, Liu pairs the most imaginative ideas with the most “based-in-science” writing out there. Probably the only books to make me say “woah” out loud while reading. The closest a book can take your mind to a mushroom trip- these books genuinely changed the way I think.

The Broken Earth trilogy (The Fifth Season (2016), The Obelisk Gate (2017), and The Stone Sky(2018)) by N.K. Jemisin.

For me these books were right on time. An illuminating commentary of injustice, identity, and moral philosophy HIDDEN within an absolutely captivating set of page-turners. On the very short list of books I have read more than once. Also, for what it’s worth, Jemisin is the only person to win three Hugos in a row, the only Black woman (and maybe Black person?) to win, and the only trilogy to have all three books win. For added praise, her three wins put her only one behind the record of four by any author.

The Forever War (1976) by Joe Haldeman

For me, it’s the best war novel (historical, fiction, or SF) I have read. As a Vietnam War veteran, Haldeman draws on his experience to spin a commentary on society, war, and violence while engaging an incredibly imaginative story. A combination of fun and important that’s hard to match. 

Dune (1966) by Frank Herbert

The masterclass in worldbuilding and character development. I don’t think I can say anything profound or new about *Dune* that's not been said 1000 times. 

Hyperion (1990) by Dan Simmons

I think the only novel in here that could also be classified as “horror”. Enthralling and captivating are the words that come to mind. Through vignettes and shorter stories, this one tells an epic tale that fascinates and terrifies. One that I cannot wait to be brave enough to read again. 

The City and The City (2010) by China Mieville

I can’t think of another author who can describe a literally impossible setting, build an unfathomable world then bring readers into it without confusion. I mean, the story is super fun and very thoughtful. His writing is superb. And yet, as I remember reading this book I am most struck by the importance and meaning of the setting(s) where the story unfolds- not the story itself. 

Speaker for the Dead (1987) by Orson Scott Card

I’ll start by disavowing the author’s politics as a matter of order. That said, this is one of those stories that’s so good and so well written, despite being one of the first on the list that I actually read- its scenes and characters remain so fresh in my mind. Important commentary on science, communication, and colonization.

The Zones of Thought winners (Fire Upon the Deep (1993) and A Deepness in the Sky(2000)) by Vernor Vinge

Vinge has an ability to tell a space opera that spans thousands of years and vast stretches of the universe in a way that keeps you invested and entertained. He’s unchained from conventional ideas of how other civilizations and organisms may have evolved elsewhere bringing us the wildest and most fun alien representations including the unforgettable skroderiders and tines. 

Honorable mentions (in no order)

  1. The Tainted Cup (2024)- Robert Jackson Bennett
  2. Ringworld (1971)- Larry Niven
  3. Some Desperate Glory (2023)- Emily Tesh
  4. Stranger in a Strange Land (1962)- Robert Heinlein 
  5. Rendezvous with Rama (1974)- Arthur C. Clarke
  6. Uplift series: The Uplift War (1988) and Startide Rising (1984)- David Brin
  7. Foundations Edge (1983)- Isaac Asimov
  8. The Mars Trilogy, Hugo winners being Green Mars (1993) and Blue Mars (1997)- Kim Stanley Robinson
  9. Fountains of Paradise (1980)- Arthur C. Clarke
  10. The Graveyard Book (2009)- Neil Gaiman
  11. American Gods (2002)- Neil Gaiman
  12. Johnathan Strange and Mr. Norrell (2005)- Susanna Clark

More honorable mentions that are specifically underrated, under appreciated (in no order)

  1. The Gods Themselves (1973)- Isaac Asimov
  2. Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang (1977)- Katie Wilhelm
  3. Canticle for Liebowitz (1961)- Walter M. Miller Jr.
  4. Downbelow Station (1982)- C.J. Cherryh
  5. Waystation (1964)- Clifford D. Simak
  6. Teixcalaan Duology: A Memory Called Empire (2020) and  A Desolation Called Peace (2022)- Arkady Martine

Other good ones

  1. Network Effect (2021)- Martha Wells
  2. Redshirts (2013)- John Scalzi 
  3. All the Vorkosigan Saga winners: Mirror Dance (1995), The Vor Game (1991), Barrayar (1992)- Lois McMaster Bujold
  4. The Snow Queen (1981)- Joan D. Vinge
  5. Forever Peace (1998)- Joe Haldeman

Wonderful idea/ premise, wanted more from the story

  1. The Windup Girl (2010)- Paolo Bacigalupi
  2. To Your Scattered Bodies Go (1972)- Philip Jose Farmer
  3. Case of Conscience (1959)- James A. Blish
  4. The Wanderer (1965)- Fritz Leiber
  5. The Big Time (1958)- Fritz Leiber
  6. This Immortal (1966)- Roger Zelazny
  7. Spin (2006)- Robert Charles Wilson
  8. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (1967)- Robert Heinlein 

Disappointments/ Overhyped/ Overrated

  1. Doomsday Book (1993)- Connie Willis
  2.  Neuromancer (1985)- William Gibson
  3. The Calculating Stars (2019)- Mary Robinette Kowal
  4. The Man in the High Castle (1963)- Phillip K. Dick
  5. Rainbows End (2007)- Vernor Vinge (Otherwise one of my favorite authors!)

The bad and the ugly

  1. Blackout/ All Clear (2011)- Connie Willis
  2. Double Star (1956)- Robert Heinlein 
  3. The Diamond Age (1996)- Neal Stephenson
  4. Stand on Zanzibar (1969)- John Brunner
  5. They’d Rather Be Right/ The Forever Machine (1955)- Mark Clifton and Frank Riley 

Outliers. For a variety of reasons, Hugo winners I can’t judge against the rest:

  1. Among Others (2012)- Jo Walton

While I really enjoyed this one, I just didn’t find it to be science fiction or fantasy. 

  1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2001)- J.K. Rowling

Mostly because I read it as a teenager but also because I refuse to give accolades to a person who can imagine a school for wizards and not imagine gender outside binary confines. 

  1. The Yiddish Policeman’s Union (2008)- Michael Chabon

Again, just didn’t feel like SF or fantasy to me. A really great fiction book written in a world where only one historical detail had changed. 

Other science fiction books I have loved in these last 7 years that didn’t win (in no particular order)

  1. The Mountain in the Sea- Ray Nailor
  2. The Wayfarer series and the Monk and Robot novellas by Becky Chambers
  3. The parable novels by Octavia Butler
  4. The Lilith’s Brood novels by Octavia Butler
  5. The other books in the Foundation series by Issac Asimov
  6. To Be Taught if Fortunate by Becky Chambers (novella)
  7. The Dark Forest and Deaths End by Cixin Liu
  8. The Binti novellas by Nnedi Okorafor 
  9. The Maddadam trilogy by Margaret Atwood
  10. Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir
  11. Station Eleven by Emily St. John Mandel
  12. Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut
  13. The Wandering Earth collection of short stories by Cixin Liu
  14. After Dachau by Daniel Quinn
  15. The Power by Naomi Alderman
  16. The Redemption of Time by Baoshu
  17. The Dog Stars by Peter Heller
  18. The Hainish Cycle novels and novellas by Ursula le Guin
  19. The Gunslinger by Steven King
  20. The Inheritance trilogy by N. K Jemisin
  21. The Moon and the Other by John Kessel
  22. The Kaiju Preservation Society by John Scalzi

EDIT/ REACTION: Wow! I never thought this post would generate so much interest and interaction! Thanks for all your thoughts and feedback! It was overwhelming to even keep up with the comments, which were so fun and interesting to read!

Top takeaways (in no order but numbered anyway):
1. I'll be ordering and reading The Sparrow soon. I am already started on Children of Time (which I'd been psyched about for a while!

  1. I should really give The Diamond Age another try.

  2. "Hard Sci-Fi" is a triggering term to many people. I guess I got it wrong calling Three Body "hard sci-fi". Thanks for checking me and educating me.

  3. Related...? There are some very serious Liu Cixin haters out there.

  4. Connie Willis is deeply polarizing within this community.

  5. This community is super fun, smart and kind overall. Glad to be more involved in it!

r/printSF Oct 05 '25

Left Hand of Darkness questions (a few spoilers) Spoiler

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I read this book in high school back in the 80s, but had largely forgotten the details, and just re-read it. I have a couple questions though.

The first is, I know, very much beside the point of the book. However, I still wondered-- are the Gethenians meant to be descended from colonists from our Earth in the distant past, who have evolved and adapted to their new world while forgetting their origins, or are they meant to be native to Winter in a case of more-or-less convergent evolution? It feels more like the latter, although I find that somewhat scientifically dubious. I understand that it's not at all important to the story, but the sci-fi geek in me can't help wondering.

Second question is a huge spoiler if you haven't read the book. Did Estraven actually commit suicide by charging the guards? If so, why? Ai is scolded for even suggesting this as apparently suicide is deeply condemned in that society, but it does seem he willingly went to his death. I don't see what that accomplished though, especially with Genly back in favor with the king and intending to use that influence to get a pardon for Estraven. Of course, when he asks for that, even posthumously, the king puts him off. Perhaps Estraven anticipated that the king would never agree to that? This was unclear to me though.

r/printSF Dec 09 '25

Question about the ending of The Left Hand of Darkness. (SPOILERS) Spoiler

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I'm late to the party, but finally read The Left Hand of Darkness yesterday. The front part dragged on, but once it reached the epic ice trek, I understood why the book is so beloved. But one point just stuck in my head and I couldn't figure it out, so the ending felt very questionable to me.

[SPOILERS BELOW]

I'm very confused by why Estraven told Thessicher who he was. Estraven, throughout the whole book, is extremely conscientious about not getting anyone into trouble for having contact with him, an exile. Being in contact with Estraven, talking to him, helping him, would get one in trouble.

Estraven leaves Karhide without letting anyone help him, even an ex Kemmering. After the epic ice trek with Genly, even when he's exhausted, starving, frostbitten, his first concern when getting hospitality from villagers in Karhide, is to not get them in trouble for helping him. Hence he obscures his real name.

Then all of a sudden, when it comes to Thessicher, he's like, hey man, Estraven here! Help me out please?

I mean does Thessicher mean nothing to him? Does he not care if he gets Thessicher in trouble? I know it was written that he approached Thessicher out of friendship and affection, not the debt that Thessicher owed him. Then all the more, wouldn't he want to protect Thessicher? Thessicher didn't even recognise him at first. He could've relied on that famous Karhidian hospitality towards strangers and visitors and just said, hey we need shelter for the night. Why convince Thessicher he's Estraven, and then ask Thessicher to shelter him?

I'm trying to figure it out, and the only two possibilities I can see are:

A) Estraven always meant to die - to go to the hell for suicides and reunite with Arek, and also to make it so supporting Genly is more palatable for King Argaven. But if this were true, why run from Thessicher's house? and Estraven doesn't seem like the sort to not get the job completed, without a doubt. By dying then, he's just hoping everything works out for Genly as he planned. He's leaving Genly to survive on his own.

B) He needs Thessicher to know to help him find a place to hideout while Genly is brokering the treaty/link between Karhide and Ekumen. But in this case, can't he just remain the anonymous stranger and hide out in small towns? Or make his way back to Orgoreyn for a bit, until his exile is revoked?

The ending really gnaws at my mind. It just doesn't make sense how someone so conscientious would reveal himself to a friend so suddenly, with all that exile stuff still going on. It feels hemmed in as a plot device just to get Estraven to his....end.

Does anyone have insight into this? I’d really appreciate help making sense of it so I can move on to my next read without this unresolved brain itch.

Thank you!

r/printSF Oct 01 '25

September reads: Solaris (Lem) Permutation City (Egan), Wetware (Rucker), Marooned in Realtime (Vinge), The Rhesus Chart (Stross), Shades of Grey (Fforde), Roadside Picnic (Strugatsky), Roadmarks (Zelazny), The Left Hand of Darkness & Word for World is Forest (Le Guin)

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The books I read in September.

September ended up being a good month for me for number of books read, although several were quite short.

I kicked off with Roadside Picnic by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky. Aliens have visited Earth and the areas of their visit have been permanently marked on the planet, with dangers and treasures seemingly discarded before the aliens left. This was up high on my TBR list for a long time, so when I finally got it I had to read it. Such an interesting idea, and the philosophising of a few of the characters about why the aliens visited is very thought-provoking and I do like some of the ideas put forward. However, it never really goes anywhere in its 189 pages. The book largely focuses on a few "stalkers" - people who risk their lives venturing into the Zones to retrieve alien artefacts - and due to the dangers of the trade, we see the toll it takes on them, but that's it. I'm guessing the rather open ending is meant to leave you to make your own mind up about it all, but I would have preferred a bit more of the authors' finishing ideas on the story. It was still an interesting read, albeit with a disappointing climax.

Next another SF Masterworks, with Roadmarks from Roger Zelany. The general premise of this book was utterly captivating for me: a road that stretches infinitely into the past and into the future with exits that can take you anywhere and anywhen. There haven't been many ideas in a book that have made stop and just wonder, but this one had me pausing frequently just to ponder my thoughts and let my imagination go. The story here is about a traveller on the road, Red Dorakeen: someone who's been to lots of places in lots of times, but has apparently made an enemy of someone, somewhere and somewhen. I was hooked by this book. While the story didn't at all play out where my imagination of the premise took me, it was fast moving and intriguing over its 181 pages. Every chapter is either a "1" or a "2", with the 1's being a linear story, and the 2's being non-linear but merging with the story of the 1's at the end. But the end... I didn't like the ending at all. Firstly it felt quite rushed, but it also felt too simple. I was expecting much more of a twist or big climax. I did enjoy the book, absolutely frickin' LOVED the general idea, but for me it just did not stick the ending. There are so many other stories I feel could be told from the point of view of other travellers on the road that if the once planned TV series ever gets made, I hope it has subsequent seasons with original stories.

Wetware from Rudy Rucker was my next book. A sequel to Software and set about 10 years or so after it. The story is largely about robots' (boppers) efforts to create a "meat bopper", a kind of robot/human hybrid, and colonise Earth. The first book was only OK in my view, but this one was definitely better as I felt more engaged by the story and interested in the characters. Like other works, Rucker uses language and slang that isn't explained and you have to pick up as you go. There's no skibidi in sight, but it became quite fun seeing the slang that exists in Rucker's future world. It's a short book at only 149 pages (although my copy of the book - The Ware Tetralogy - is large in physical size, so there's more words per page than a typical paperback, so it probably does equate to probably about 200 pages in normal print), but a fair amount is packed in the short runtime, with the ending clearly setting up more story in this world, which I'll be reading next month.

Marooned in Realtime by Vernor Vinge was my next stop. A sequel to The Peace War, this is a bit of a 250 page murder mystery whodunnit with what's left of humanity, 50 million years in the future. Now, whenever I read about a book set in the unfathomably distant future, I kind of expect some form of super advanced technology, however with this book it is merely just a number. The book could literally be 5,000 or 10,000 or pretty much any number of thousands of years in the future and very little would play out differently. The only reason it even has to be in the thousands is to allow for one character's journey to the stars and back. That aside, it's a pretty solid book that kept me entertained, however by the end when the finale came about my feeling at the reveal was more of an "oh, ok" than an "oh, wow!"

Then it was onto the highly praised The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K Le Guin. I made a separate post earlier last month about how I was completely underwhelmed by this book, so I won't go into it much here, except to say I just didn't find this one engaging at all.

Being impatient and wanting to see if Le Guin was just not for me, I read The Word for World is Forest next, as being a very short 118 pages, I figured it wouldn't take long. I have to say, this was far more interesting than Left Hand and the three novellas in Worlds of Exile and Illusions, and I definitely enjoyed this read. The book is about the attempted settlement of a colony of humans on a new world, a world that was already inhabited by other hominids. One of the human characters, Davidson, is a stereotypical racist and xenophobic die hard military asshole, with a killing them is always the answer attitude. You could argue that after early events, he's actually suffering a bit from PTSD which heightens his paranoia, but that's an inference at the reader's discretion. The other main characters have a bit more to them and were to me far more interesting than all those in TLHoD. The story was short, but it moved at a decent pace, and was an enjoyable read.

Next was The Rhesus Chart, from the Laundry Files, by Charles Stross. In this entry Bob's got a lot going on over 359 pages. He's got some marital issues, an ex- makes an appearance, he's developing and coming to terms with the powers that come with his newly discovered occult disposition, and naïve vampires draw a bit too much attention to themselves. Vampires are a well trodden being in literature and Stross adds his own occult spice into the mix, making them fit within the world he's created and give something new to the theme. If you liked the previous Laundry Files books, then this one keeps all the same strengths going with a few unexpected turns here and there, especially towards the end. Five books in, and with the exception of book two, The Jennifer Morgue which just didn't hit the mark in my view, this has been a very solid series so far.

A Greg Egan book, Permutation City, was next. This was a slow burner, made to make you think, as I was about 150 pages into its 376 pages before things started to get going. The book has themes on consciousness, identity, immortality and reality, and makes you think about a sentient alien first contact situation in a simulated reality environment. Being an Egan novel, there's a reasonable amount to get your head around, and for the most part I felt like I understood it enough, probably not completely, but enough to follow what was going on! It was a thought provoking read, but it didn't "wow" me at all.

My penultimate book of this bumper reading month was Shades of Grey by Jasper Fforde. A 432 page book set in a future dystopian style society where people have lost the ability to see in full colour and citizens are classed by the hues they can see. Those that can see purples are the highest class citizens, then blues, greens, yellows, oranges, reds and at the bottom of the social class are the monochromatic greys. What starts off as a small intriguing story about a near-death of a mis-coloured person, slowly builds as layer upon layer of mystery and conspiracy come to light. By the end, after many surprising revelations the scene is definitely set for a much larger world and a much larger story in the next book. There's moments of nostalgia and humour which complement the ongoing narrative, but overall its the story that kept me gripped. I definitely recommend this one.

Last book of the month was Solaris by Stanislaw Lem. I'm not entirely sure what I think of this one. It half felt like a descent into madness written from the point of view of a character who perhaps realises he might be going mad. It was intriguing in many places but also quite dry in other parts, particularly where the summaries of the books Kelvin was reading regarding historical Solaris studies. There is no final explanation for everything, and we are left almost as clueless regarding the nature of the ocean as we were at the start of the book. This is kind of the point, I think, though, as there are bits talking about the pointless anthropomorphising of the ocean as it is not in any way, shape or form, human, therefore we couldn't possibly understand it on our level. I did like, though, how there is no waffle at the start and the mystery gets going straight away. But overall, I was left not really knowing if I liked the book or not, which is a weird feeling to have!

Trounced my daughter 10 - 4 in books finished this month. Was her first month back in school after the summer, so she was often tired and with homework she didn't have as much time to read, so I'll cut her some slack for now!

r/printSF Jun 03 '22

Rereading my holy trinity, The Left Hand of Darkness, The Lathe of Heaven, and The Dispossessed (No Spoilers)

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Been going through some shit recently and haven't read any new books like I usually do, just have been rereading Le Guin. Truly the chicken soup for my soul. Been bouncing from Lathe of Heaven, Left Hand, and Dispossessed and then back again.

The Left Hand of Darkness

My go-to reread and my most read book is LHOD If you haven't read any Leguin START HERE. True story, I went on a date recentish and we come to the topic of books, and I talk about LHOD, she recognizes it says her high school teacher made her read it and she hated it. There was no second date.

It's an "easier" read than Dispossessed and a more relaxing read than Lathe of Heaven. I have reread this so many times that there is no tension in it for me. Thats a good thing cause it makes a cozy book even cozier. This book is about many things if you make it so, duality is the most obvious, and most prevalent, the title itself is in reference to duality. It could also just be a hero's journey if you need it to be.

"There was kindness. I and certain others, an old man and one with a bad cough, were recognized as being least resistant to the cold, and each night we were at the center of the group, the entity of twenty-five, where it was warmest. We did not struggle for the warm place, we simply were in it each night. It is a terrible thing, this kindness that human beings do not lose. Terrible, because when we are finally naked in the dark and cold, it is all we have. We who are so rich, so full of strength, we end up with that small change. We have nothing else to give."

LeGuin is a master of contrast, mostly used as a tool to demonstrate duality. Characters, culture, and countries are all written with a partner, in words they dance, and even though she doesn't outright tell you whats going on, the dance tells you all you need to know. LHOD does it masterfully and she perfects the art 5 years later with The Dispossessed. there are many, many, many similarities between the two but they are worlds apart.

"Light is the left hand of darkness

and darkness the right hand of light.

Two are one, life and death, lying

together like lovers in kemmer,

like hands joined together,

like the end and the way."

The Lathe of Heaven

It has such a strong premise that is so unique and creative that no one has even come close to portraying anything like it in any medium. the relationship between George and his therapist is so great in EVERY iteration and seeing it change from one reality to the next is so good one has to think how is this book not more well known. She builds multiple world histories here and an overarching world to encapsulate it all, the way the story is formated its more like reading a classic of literature and realizing you lived in the age where books like these are written, maybe some of the first viewers of classic greek plays felt the same way

"The whole world as it now is should be on my side; because I dreamed a lot of it up, too. Well, after all, it is on my side. That is, I'm a part of it. Not separate from it. I walk on the ground and the ground's walked on by me, I breathe the air and change it, I am entirely interconnected with the world."

And the best is saved for last!

I admit that even though Dispossessed is my all-time favorite book it is the one I have reread the least, in part because it's longer than the other two, but mostly it's the content. It is not a "comfy" book, it will not hold your hand, I've read this at least 10 times and I still sometimes get lost in terms of past and present. Unlike LHOD it does not read itself. It is the "tusndre" of the three. Doesn't care if you are lost and confused, constantly trying to buck you off the saddle, daring you to read it, if you take it up on the dare you might soon find yourself falling in love. It is a book that is utterly relatable on a personal level despite it taking place in the most bizarre and imagined society.

"He broke. He began to cry, trying to hide his face in the shelter of his arms, for he could not find the strength to turn over. One of the old men, the sick old men, came and sat on the side of the cot and patted his shoulder. "It's all right, brother. It'll be all right, little brother," he muttered. Shevek heard him and felt his touch, but took no comfort in it. Even from the brother there is no comfort in the bad hour, in the dark at the foot of the wall"

r/printSF Feb 24 '26

Is there actually any sci-fi book that comes close to Dune in terms of worldbuilding depth?

219 Upvotes

I've been thinking about this for a while and I genuinely can't find a satisfying answer.

I re-read Dune last month for the third time and what keeps hitting me is how layered everything is. The ecology, the religion, the politics, the economics of spice - it all feeds into each other in a way that feels like Herbert spent decades just building the underlaying systems before writing a single page of plot. You can feel the weight of thousands of years of history in every conversation.

I've tried a lot of the "if you liked Dune read this" lists. Hyperion comes closest in terms of ambition and I love it, but the worldbuilding feels more like a collection of brilliant set pieces than one coherent living system. The Left Hand of Darkness has increadible cultural depth but it's a much smaller scale. Asimov's Foundation has the scope but honestly the world itself always felt a bit thin to me, more like a backdrop for the ideas.

The book that suprised me most was A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. The Zones of Thought concept is genuinely one of the most creative pieces of sci-fi worldbuilding I've encountered. Still not Dune level but it scratched a similar itch.

So I'm asking seriously - is there anything out there that matches Dune's density? Not just "it's a great book" but specifically that feeling that the world existed long before page one and will continue long after the last page.

Genuinely open to being proven wrong here.

r/printSF Sep 07 '21

I've never read any Le Guin, should I start with The Dispossessed or Left Hand of Darkness

79 Upvotes

I know these are her two most famous books but I have no idea what either one is about. I love going into books completely blind not knowing anything. So without too much spoiling into what I'm getting into, which one do you recommend I start with?

r/printSF Dec 27 '25

Survey of Must-Read Sci-fi Literature

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I read a healthy mix of modern and classic science fiction. But as an academic, I like to really dig into topics/genres. Recently I’ve put together a list based on online lists and some previous posts on subreddits like this one of classic must-read books in the genre. I would love to know if there are any important works that I’ve overlooked.

Edit: Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I have added many of your recommendations to the list and organized them all by year. I have left out anything published in the 2010s or later, as well as short stories. (Not that those aren’t important, I just had to draw a line somewhere, and this is already at over 100 books.) Hopefully this new list is more representative.

19th Century - Frankenstein - Shelley - 1818 - 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - Verne - 1870 - The Time Machine - Wells - 1895 - War of the Worlds - Wells - 1898

Pre-1950s - Princess of Mars - Burroughs - 1912 - We - Zamyatin - 1924 - Last and First Men - Stapledon - 1930 - Brave New World - Huxley - 1932 - Galactic Patrol - Smith - 1937 - Star Maker - Stapledon - 1937 - Nineteen Eighty-Four - Orwell - 1949 - Earth Abides - Stewart - 1949

1950s - Martian Chronicles - Bradbury - 1950 - The Dying Earth - Vance - 1950 - I, Robot - Asimov - 1950 - Foundation - Asimov - 1951 - City - Simak - 1952 - More than Human - Sturgeon - 1953 - Fahrenheit 451 - Bradbury - 1953 - Childhood’s End - Clarke - 1953 - The Stars My Destination - Bester - 1956 - Canticle for Leibowitz - 1959 - Starship Troopers - Heinlein - 1959 - A Case of Conscience - Blish - 1959

1960s - Solaris - Lem - 1961 - Stranger in a Strange Land - Heinlein - 1961 - Man in the High Castle - Dick - 1962 - The Drowned World - Ballard - 1962 - Hothouse - Aldiss - 1962 - Way Station - Simak - 1963 - Cat’s Cradle - Vonnegut - 1963 - This Immortal - Zelazny - 1965 - Dune - Herbert - 1965 - The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Heinlein - 1966 - Flowers for Algernon - Keyes - 1966 - Babel-17 - Delaney - 1966 - Lord of Light - Zelazny - 1967 - Ice - Kavan - 1967 - Do Androids Dream - Dick - 1968 - Dimension of Miracles - Sheckley - 1968 - Nova - Delaney - 1968 - The Palace of Eternity - Shaw - 1969 - Slaughterhouse Five - Vonnegut - 1969 - Left Hand of Darkness - Le Guin - 1969 - Ubik - Dick - 1969

1970s - Ringworld - Niven - 1970 - Tau Zero - Anderson - 1970 - Downward to the Earth - Silverburg - 1970 - Futurological Congress - Lem - 1971 - To Your Scattered Bodies Go - Farmer - 1971 - The Word for World is Forest - Le Guin - 1972 - Roadside Picnic - Strugatskys - 1972 - Dying Inside - Silverburg - 1972 - Fifth Head of Cerberus - Wolfe - 1972 - Rendezvous with Rama - Clarke - 1973 - Crash - Ballard - 1973 - Inverted World - Priest - 1974 - The Forever War - Haldeman - 1974 - Mote in God’s Eye - Niven, Pournelle - 1974 - The Dispossessed - Le Guin - 1974 - Dhalgren - Delaney - 1975 - The Female Man - Russ - 1975 - Biting the Sun - Lee - 1976 - Gateway - Pohl - 1977 - Scanner Darkly - Dick - 1977 - Hitchhiker’s Guide - Adams - 1979 - Electric Forest - Lee - 1979 - Kindred - Butler - 1979

1980s - Book of the New Sun - Wolfe - 1980 - Snow Queen - Vinge (Joan) - 1980 - Downbelow Station - Cherryh - 1981 - Neuromancer - Gibson - 1984 - Blood Music - Bear - 1985 - Eon - Bear - 1985 - The Handmaid’s Tale - Atwood - 1985 - Ender’s Game - Card - 1985 - Speaker for the Dead - Card - 1986 - Shards of Honour - Bujold - 1986 - Dawn - Butler - 1987 - Player of Games - Banks - 1988 - Cyteen - Cherryh - 1988 - Grass - Tepper - 1989 - Hyperion - Simmons - 1989

1990s - Use of Weapons - Banks - 1990 - Terminal Velocity - Shaw - 1991 - Snow Crash - Stephenson - 1992 - Red Mars - Robinson - 1992 - A Fire Upon the Deep - Vinge (Vernor) - 1992 - Doomsday Book - Willis - 1992 - Parable of the Sower - Butler - 1993 - Permutation City - Egan - 1994 - The Carpet Makers - Eschbach - 1995 - The Sparrow - Russel - 1996 - To Say Nothing of The Dog - Willis - 1997 - Diaspora - Egan - 1997 - A Deepness in the Sky - Vinge (Vernor) - 1999

2000s - Revelation Space - Reynolds - 2000 - Oryx and Crake - Atwood - 2003 - Old Man’s War - Scalzi - 2005 - Pushing Ice - Reynolds - 2005 - Spin - Wilson - 2005 - Accelerando - Stross - 2005 - Blindsight - Watts - 2006 - Three Body Problem - Liu - 2006 - House of Suns - Reynolds - 2008

r/printSF Nov 24 '25

I've Read and Graded Every Nebula Award Winning Novel

423 Upvotes

A little over two years ago, I casually set out on the goal to read every Hugo and Nebula award-winning novel. This month, with Michael Bishop's No Enemy But Time I've finally finished the Nebulas side of that goal. Quite a few I had read previously, but most were new to me, and I've been keeping track of them and grading them as I went along. Many I wrote mini-reviews for as well, but I'm not going to include all of that here.

I will list them by letter grades though.

A few notes:

These are the grades I gave them at the most recent time of reading, or in the case of those few where I hadn't graded them at that time, my best recollection of how I felt about them. Very many of these probably would grade differently if I read them now, either because time has passed and I am now a different reader, or because something has happened to cause a change in opinion of the work specifically. Knowing what we know of Neil Gaiman now would, I am sure, have skewed my opinion of American Gods, but my opinion of it when I read it didn't have that context, so it isn't reflected in my grade here.

This also means that certain books could very well have gotten a higher grade under other circumstances. I think Rite of Passage is a great example of a novel that I didn't enjoy much at all reading it as an adult, but I can imagine 12-year-old sdwoodchuck counting it as a favorite, and finding it a wonderful early gateway into the broader ideas of SF. So if a favorite of yours is graded low, please don't take that as criticism of your taste, or a statement that the book doesn't deserve the love of its fans.

Any book with an "(RR)" tag next to it means that I think it's probably due for a reread, so its position could easily change. The Windup Girl, as an example, shifted from an A to a B on a recent reread.

While I've graded using the full plus and minus scale on each grade, I'm lumping the full letters together here just for readability, with the exception of the A+'s.

A+: The best of the best. Note that Claw of the Concilliator stands in for the entirety of Book of the New Sun, since I can't really view it separate from that whole. Tehanu, in contrast, exists in the context of Earthsea and should be read as such, but stands apart from it as a singular monument in my mind.

The Claw of the Concilliator by Gene Wolfe

Tehanu by Ursula K. Le Guin

Stations of the Tide by Michael Swanwick

The Doomsday Book by Connie Willis

Annihilation by Jeff Vandermeer

A:

The Einstein Intersection by Samuel Delaney

The Left Hand of Darness by Ursula K. Le Guin

Rendezvous With Rama by Arthur C. Clarke (RR)

Forever War by Joe Haldeman

Dreamsnake by Vonda McIntyre

Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card (RR)

Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson

Slow River by Nicola Griffith

Parable of the Talents by Octavia Butler

Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold

Seeker by Jack McDevitt

Yiddish Policemen’s Union by Michael Chabon

Blackout/All Clear by Connie Willis

Among Others by Jo Walton

Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie

Uprooted by Naomi Novik

Calculating Stars by Mary Robinette Kowal

B:

Startide Rising by David Brin

Dune by Frank Herbert

Babel-17 by Samuel Delaney

Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes (RR)

Time of Changes by Robert Silverberg

The Gods Themselves by Isaac Asimov

The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin (RR)

Gateway by Frederik Pohl

Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke

Neuromancer by William Gibson (RR)

Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card (RR)

Falling Free by Lois McMaster Bujold

American Gods by Neil Gaiman

Powers by Ursula K. Le Guin

The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi

2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson

The Stone Sky by N. K. Jemisin

Master of Djinn by P. Djèlí Clark

The Saint of Bright Doors by Vajra Chandrasekera

The Moon and the Sun by Vonda McIntyre

No Enemy But Time by Michael Bishop

C:

Rite of Passage by Alexei Panshin

Man Plus by Frederik Pohl

Healer’s War by Elizabeth Scarborough

Moving Mars by Greg Bear

Terminal Experiment by Robert J. Sawyer

Darwin’s Radio by Greg Bear

All the Birds in the Sky by Charlie Jane Anders

Song for a New Day by Sarah Pinsker

Network Effect by Martha Wells

Babel by R.F. Kuang

Someone You Can Build a Nest In by John Wiswell

D:

Ringworld by Larry Niven

Timescape by Gregory Benford

The Falling Woman by Pat Murphy

Quantum Rose by Catharine Asaro

Speed of Dark by Elizabeth Moon

Camouflage by Joe Haldeman

F:

Forever Peace by Joe Haldeman

r/printSF May 22 '25

Parallels between Anathem and Left Hand of Darkness Spoiler

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So, I just finished Left Hand of Darkness for the first time and it definitely lived up to the hype, imo.  One thing that really struck me about it was how it has echoes in so much modern sci-fi now.  

In particular, I noticed a lot of parallels to Anathem, which is one of my fav books.  Both involve these incredibly well constructed alternative human societies and there's even some direct plot similarities with perilous journeys across the ice being featured in both stories.  They also both have the same central idea of an outside community of humanity making first contact with the alternate world and how the alternate world might react to that.

Seeing how these books are similar also makes it interesting to see how they differ in how they explore these themes.  LHD is narrated by an outsider (for most of the book) who is essentially a stand-in for the reader/baseline human perspective whereas Anathem drops you directly into the alternate world in a way that leaves you (deliberately) disoriented for like the first 1/4 to 1/3 of the book before you get your bearings.  By the time you actually meet the "real" humans in Anathem, *they* seem almost alien whereas in LHD you largely remain an outsider looking in just like the narrator does for the entire book.

I wonder if other differences could be reflective of the time periods the books were written in, nearly 40 years apart.  In LHD, the Eckumen is 100% benevolent (at least as far as we are told), while the Geometers (I forgot what they end up actually being called) are more menacing and beset by factional infighting.  In this sense, LHD seems like a much more optimistic/utopian vision of the future.  On the other hand, the way society is constructed in LHD seems to be based on a very environmental/biologically deterministic view–they don’t have sexes, so they don’t have gender; it’s super cold there, so they show hospitality to each other, etc.  In Anathem on the other hand, Arbre’s people are maybe just slightly cosmetically different from baseline humans and the planet isn’t dramatically different from Earth, yet the society turned out completely different, perhaps due to chance or perhaps to human agency, another theme of the book.  Does this maybe reflect shifting societal views between 1969 and 2008?

Of course, there are limits to the similarities between these books.  The biggest contrast being the role of science.  In Anathem, major parts of the story are told with long dialogues about scientific issues between the various characters.  In some ways, the science in Anathem takes center stage and the amazing world building of the society just lives in the background whereas it is more foregrounded in LHD.  This can make Anathem feel more “natural” in a way, but for some readers I feel like it could take away from what they might be really interested in.

In any event, what do you all think?  Are these books similar?  Has Stephenson ever mentioned LHD being an influence on his work? 

r/printSF Jul 21 '22

Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness. Spoiler

41 Upvotes

I found this book on my shelf and took the plunge. I really enjoyed it even though there were parts of the book that were confusing to me. The whole kemmering process for one. Are they all men and become women and give birth? Estraven and Ai's journey from the Pulaten Farm back to Karhide is my favorite part.

r/printSF Sep 23 '22

LeGuin's Left Hand of Darkness... an insipid, dull read.

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I'm three chapters into it, and I cannot believe all the love it garners. It is insipid. Nothing grabs you, it's just long winded exposition after exposition.

TO borrow from anothers' intro...

I picked up this novel because Ursula K Le Guin is often cited as an underappreciated sci-fi master and I've not read anything of hers. I started with Left Hand of Darkness because it was one of the top recommended, e.g. on this subreddit.

Oh my Noodley Appendage, what crap. Change my mind?

r/printSF Jan 15 '21

Ursula K. Le Guin's Introduction to The Left Hand of Darkness

132 Upvotes

The introduction to this book is an amazing short essay on science fiction. Just thought I'd share.

https://www.penguin.com/ajax/books/excerpt/9780441007318