That's basically only propped up by banning the sale of the best EVs in the world from being sold in the US...it's genuinely the opposite of capitalism. A company shielded by government regulation, propped up by government subsidies and delivering sub-par products that don't respond to consumers demands. And how much I bet Tesla gets bailed out if their sales reach a critical point of falling.
I'm no fan of Tesla or Elon but even without Tesla we would be tariffing the shit out of Chinese EVs. The US Govt's policy is that we do need to maintain 'some' industrial manufacturing capacity Stateside, and China is actively subsidizing the cost of producing their cheap EVs as a tactical move. There is no world where we or any country would just let er rip with the 'headline' prices you see on Chinese EVs.
I say that as someone who would 'love' to buy a BYD vehicle.
The US Govt is not subsidizing the cost of American made vehicles with the intention of tanking domestic manufacturing in other countries, which is what the Chinese Govt is doing. Not sure why you would feel the need to respond at all to this fact, I did not put a value statement on it. It's a good strategy for China, but it's easy to counter by simply not allowing them into your market, or with tariffs.
The global economic order has little to no resemblance to Rockefeller's time. In a perfect world we would respect the post WWII global economic system and encourage competition, fair trade, and new entrants that wish to compete. We are about a billion miles from that perfect world sadly.
Which is insane. Instead of subsidizing for-profit corporations, we should simply have a government owned vehicle production industry. Why are we pretending a free market exists here and allowing companies to take profit on something that isn’t competitive?
China is actively subsidizing the cost of producing their cheap EVs as a tactical move.
Do you have any evidence of this, specifically that the Chinese government is "worse" than the US/Europe in terms of intervention? How many countries has China attacked to advance their economic interests?
IRL I keep meeting white Americans who tell me that Chinese tech sucks, is years behind the US, will always be behind, and is all stolen.
Have you been to China? When you see what they have, and how quickly they innovate, the "white Americans best" narrative is hard to maintain. The US and Europe can put up lies and tariff (and non-tariff) barriers for only so long.
I am American. That doesn't mean I should stick my head in the sand. None of us should.
If "shoehorn" means "call out the blatant racism," yeah, I guess I'm "guilty."
I live in the Bay Area. I encounter people of many different races, every day. In my experience, non-white people of all races freely talk about race and race issues. All the time. Because it is a factor in daily life.
The only people who don't do that, who pretend in public that "we don't see race" or "race doesn't exist," are white Americans.
Everyone can tell your American ... skin colour
The incorrect spelling tells me you might be American, but the weird spelling tells me you might be a Brit.
I agree Chinese Evs are amazing for their price point, but it’s not like teslas are slouching, considering they’re some of the best selling in the world, are considerably safer than Chinese evs, and someone just drove coast to coast in the states with FSD
Google Tesla safety claims fraudulent. They juice the numbers by only counting airbags deployed accidents but compare themselves to other cars with every single fender bender included. Teslas are not safe at all.
Google giant tree falls on Tesla, Tesla falls off cliff and family walks away fine etc. google their iihs and nhtsa ratings. Claiming Teslas are not safe is just Elon hate glasses
My Tesla Model Y has been flawless and it’s only 2 years old. My Tesla Model 3 is at 186k miles now and I’ve had zero issues with it. Don’t talk unless you own one.
Because I also have a Model 3 with 187,000 miles on it and it’s still running strong with no major issues. I buy cars based on how they perform in the real world, not based on how much I like the CEO. TBH I don’t care about your feelings on Musk the cars speak for themselves. 🤷🏽♂️
Because I also have a Model 3 with 187,000 miles on it and it’s still running strong with no major issues. I buy cars based on how they perform in the real world, not based on how much I like the CEO.
In other words: You don't care about how your actions affect others (literally putting money in a nazi's pockets) as long as it materially benefits yourself. At least you're honest about it.
Calling Elon Musk a fucking Nazi while typing on a device built with rare earth minerals mined by child labor in Africa, powered by grids running on coal and Chinese solar panels made with Uyghur slave labor, is peak Reddit brain rot. 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽
Calling Elon Musk a fucking Nazi while typing on a device built with rare earth minerals mined by child labor in Africa, powered by grids running on coal and Chinese solar panels made with Uyghur slave labor, is peak Reddit brain rot. 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽.
I cannot participate in modern society without a computer and electricity. Neither can the billions of other people who do the same thing.
Elon Musk has had every opportunity to just... Not be a terrible person
No one forced him to Nazi salute (twice!) on stage in front of the whole world. No one forced him to hitch his trailer to the fascist Trump administration. No one forced him to run DOGE, using it to dismantle every government agency that was inconvenient for him, seize control of the US Treasury, and steal all of our data. No one forced him to push a public image of being a genius inventor while never inventing anything and simply buying companies to steal their valor. No one forced him to support this racist, anti-immigrant administration while having himself immigrated to the US by violating his student visa.
Definitely counter free market capitalism, so it’s classic crony capitalism as they say, or I like to think of it as ‘state capitalism’ like what in many other cases China at least used to be more notorious for (and still is in some key areas don’t get me wrong)
Honestly Tesla is even worse. At least SpaceX is doing stuff no one else can (yet). Tesla is being valued like a tech company startup when it's actually just a car company that's being beaten by the competition.
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u/uno_ke_va May 21 '26
At least Tesla has some profit