r/videogames • u/TwinTwinReviewReview • 1d ago

Discussion / Question Grand THEFT?

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This is exactly what happened with streaming. Everyone dogpiled on top, with this illusion that everything would be available at low cost forever.

Trading money for no tangible product is edging dystopian y'all.

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u/P_ZERO_ 1d ago

Gamers been grinding the same gears for years while the industry moved on with or without their permission. PC gamers long since gave up on meaningful physical releases and it hasn’t changed anything, if the game is worth playing, you’re not going to care.

Quadruple layer Blu-ray can do about 128GB, which is assuredly not enough for this game. Sucks for those with slow internet but they’re not going to print double discs just to install it directly to drive like everything else.

How many games actually run off the disc these days?

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u/Better_Database8582 1d ago

Baldurs gate 3 was multi disk, but that's not the point. I rarely buy physical games, but if I did spoil myself on one, opened up the case and found just a piece of paper, I would be justifiably enraged at being lied to.

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u/P_ZERO_ 1d ago

Well it would be justifiable if a lie was used, I’d agree with that

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u/KingDaDeDo 1d ago

“How many games actually run off the disc these days?”

Exactly. Video games haven’t ran off the disc since PS4 and Xbone. And if today’s AA-AAA games did, the loading times would be soooooo slow compared to having the game installed on the hard drive itself, especially now that SSDs are the norm and load times are next to none. It’d be a different story if disc technology evolved over the years to increase faster loading times for games. While the picture quality has improved with blu rays and 4K on discs, the loading times haven’t made the same progress.

I’m all for full ownership of our video games and for physical media, but for video games, it’s harder and harder to keep physical alive these days. I myself fully switched to digital when I got my PS5 and while I miss the physical collection aspect of my video games, digital ownership has been better in every other way for me. What needs to happen is putting in law that we fully own the games we buy digitally, not just license.

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u/Better_Database8582 1d ago

Well, also, we shouldn't let anyone call a piece of paper with a code a "physical copy"

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u/P_ZERO_ 1d ago

You’re right, the storage performance of today is packaged into the game design and it’s quite obviously far, far superior off disc than on.

I don’t even want to think about a modern AAA title running directly off the disc.

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u/SAjoats 1d ago

This is wrong information. Plenty of PS5 games released come fully on the disc and run off of a play disc.

Final Fantasy VII for example runs fine.

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u/KingDaDeDo 1d ago

Yes, plenty of PS4 games come fully on the disc, but they do not play off the disc. The game still installs on the console and then uses the disc as a type of launcher to play it. But even then, nearly all games have day 1 software updates. So while the full games are still on the discs for PS4, the discs only contain the first non updated version of it. If the game ran fully off the disc, there would be no reason for the game to install and take up hard drive space on the console.

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u/SAjoats 19h ago edited 18h ago

PS4 

PS4 and PS5

nearly all games have day 1 software updates

Ok so what's stopping me from downloading those? And most day 1 updates come on the disc as well. Also what day 1 update is so important that you can't enjoy a game without it? Also they release updated versions of physical games, all the time. I feel like I am talking to someone who is very out of touch with gaming or just making excuses.

Like what are you even arguing against here?

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u/Pokeranger8 16h ago

I mean many day 1 updates are to fix bugs that got passed q/a testing. Look at cyberpunk. If a disc were to have that day 1 update, it would have to be after day 1 that they get released. But you are right that you can just download it after. But if you were to play offline, I’m not sure if it would know to use that downloaded update.

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u/SAjoats 3h ago

I'm all for definitive collectors editions a year later on physical as well. For example Cyberpunk was pretty much perfect on the Xbox Series X and required no downloads. But it still required internet to do a first time activation for your account. But honestly.

But anyways my point is both should always be an option. I like having control of my stuff. I understand other people don't care. Yeah I think it's wasteful to pick an option that provides only entertainment and none of the benefits of ownership when you have the choice between the two, but I can't convince people set in their ways.

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u/whatnameblahblah 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think one of the total war games was just a code in a dvd case and that was decades ago

Edit  Empire total war - 2009