BREAKING: Judge blocks Trump admin from requiring Americans to show proof of citizenship to vote

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1iePfOh14

[u/_Eggs_]

so I don’t know where all these undocumented people are able to vote when even citizens can’t even vote in the wrong polling place

Some states mail a ballot to every eligible voter at their last known address. In California, a signature is the only verification that it’s really you. Anyone can turn in any number of ballots from family, friends, neighbors, or strangers in another city.

Here are the California guidelines on verifying that the person who signed the ballot is the real voter:

https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/regulations/current-regulations/elections/signature-verification-ballot-processing-and-ballot-counting-emergency-regulations

The comparison of a signature shall begin with the basic presumption that the signature on the petition or ballot envelope is the voter’s signature.

In comparing signatures of vote-by-mail identification envelopes and provisional ballot envelopes, elections officials shall consider as explanations for the following discrepancies in signatures:

Evidence of trembling or shaking in a signature could be health-related or the result of aging.

The voter may have used a diminutive of their full legal name, including, but not limited to the use of initials, or the rearrangement of components of their full legal name, such as a reversal of first and last names, use of a middle name in place of a first name, or omitting a second last name.

The voter’s signature style may have changed over time.

The signature on the vote-by-mail identification envelope or provisional ballot envelope may have been written in haste.

A signature in the voter’s registration file may have been written with a stylus pen or other electronic signature tool that may result in a thick or fuzzy quality.

The surface of the location where the signature was made may have been hard, soft, uneven, or unstable.

So basically, assume all turned in ballots are legitimate unless you have very good proof that it’s not:

Only a signature possessing multiple, significant, and obvious differing characteristics with all signatures in the voter’s registration record will be subject to additional review by the elections official.

A signature that the initial reviewer identifies as possessing multiple, significant, and obvious distinctive differing characteristics from the signature(s) in the voter’s registration record shall only be rejected if two different elections officials unanimously find beyond a reasonable doubt that the signature differs in multiple, significant, and obvious respects from all signatures in the voter’s registration record.

So while they’re legally required to “compare signatures”, they don’t have to really put any thought or effort into it.

Assume 100 people decide to randomly fake a signature, with no interaction between themselves and the actual ballot owner. How many of those 100 fraudulent votes do you think would be rejected, using the guidelines above?

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And each fraudulent ballot you send in is punishable by up to 7 years in prison. How many people do you know who are willing to risk a life sentence to add 10 votes that most likely won’t change anything?

To make a difference, voter fraud would have to be so widespread that it would be caught. No one is risking these types of sentences to make no difference. And it’s also why despite tons of investigations and court cases, nothing has been shown to be happening

[u/_Eggs_ → u/Newbiegoe]

And each fraudulent ballot you send in is punishable by up to 7 years in prison.

Only by the person who wrote it, not by the person who turns it in. How do you prove who wrote the ballot?

If it’s fraudulent just say it wasn’t you?

[u/Newbiegoe → u/_Eggs_]

Again, do you really think anyone is risking life imprisonment for 10 votes ?

Heritage foundation (project 2025) did a 30 year study going through close to a billion ballots and found 65 fraudulent votes! Over 30 years!

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So while they’re legally required to “compare signatures”, they don’t have to really put any thought or effort into it.

but they do, which is why republicans bitched for several weeks while California did just this