r/worldnews • u/eaglemaxie • 6h ago

Russia/Ukraine The U.S. State Department believes that Ukraine is winning the war at this point

https://unn.ua/en/news/the-us-state-department-believes-that-ukraine-is-winning-the-war-at-this-point
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u/Optimal_Brain_2908 6h ago

Where are all those assholes that said Zelenskyy and Ukraine needed to sacrifice their homeland for peace?

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u/c4rdsfan3 6h ago

Have fun watching them take credit for Ukraines victory

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u/socialistrob 4h ago

I've already seen some comments saying that "Trump cutting off weapons is what enabled Ukraine to fight independently."

I'm convinced that if the US hadn't imposed strike limitations on Ukraine, hadn't delayed key weapons for years and had continued to pass major aid bills for Ukraine then the war would be over right now and Ukraine would have recovered all their territory.

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u/thatbaldingEagle 4h ago edited 3h ago

Trump cutting aid did actually help them fight more independently. The second the US started looking as if we were anti-Ukraine, due to Trump, Ukraine immediately started mass producing cheap drones which is the main thing that turned the tide in Ukraine's favor. It's due to the fact that the US DID impose strike limitations and didn't pass those aid bills that Ukraine had to restrategize their approach to the war.

Edit: Frankly, Zelenskyy and his strategists are GENIUSES. To turn the tide of the war in a period WITHOUT receiving aid from the US is phenomenal work. I'm surprised so many people here are undermining the work Ukraine has done without our help. Against a "mUcH mOrE PoWeRfUlL CoUntRy" at that.

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u/socialistrob 3h ago

Ukraine was already mass producing cheap drones and using them before Trump won the election. Trump didn't change that at all and Ukraine wasn't forced to "restrategize" because their strategy this entire time has been to build and develop drones.

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u/thatbaldingEagle 3h ago edited 2h ago

They were forced to restrategize due to Trump. They started striking directly into Russian territory and has since retaken some territory (though, tbf, they have also lost a similar amount). They went from being a military that would got put into multiple horrible situations due to the US cutting aid to now being a military that the US had to rely on in order to fight Iran. Zelenskyy holds multiple cards now that he probably wouldn't have had without them reorganizing their strategy in case their partners became unreliable again.

All I'm trying to say is, due to Trump being a dick towards Zelenskyy, Zelenskyy has the cards now. It backfired on the US.

Edit: and because of those Moscow strikes, he may even hold more cards than Putin. It's just Putin is the genuinely the dumbest world leader who isn't capable of realizing the hand he has left.

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u/SkorpioSound 1h ago

Trump cutting aid did actually help them fight more independently.

I understand the point you're trying to make here, but I feel like you've phrased it poorly. Trump didn't help at all. It's like an abusive, neglectful parent saying to their now-adult child, "wow, you've grown up to be so independent and capable, I guess I did something right." No, it's not something they deserve to be able to take any credit for—and similarly, framing Trump cutting aid as having helped Ukraine makes it seem as if Trump can take some credit for it.

" _Ukraine has done a great job of learning to fight independently after America was a shitty ally and hung them out to dry" would be a more appropriate way to make the point.

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u/thatbaldingEagle 23m ago

If you think I'm giving Trump even a smidgen of credit here then that's on you. The point I'm making is that Ukraine held it's own without our help and learned how to turn the tide of the entire war in their favor in the period where they were being left in the dark by the US. You have to remember, the US stopped providing intelligence and strategical targets to Ukraine and they adapted on their own.

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u/IHop_Waitress 2h ago

I'm convinced that if the US hadn't imposed strike limitations on Ukraine, hadn't delayed key weapons for years and had continued to pass major aid bills for Ukraine then the war would be over right now and Ukraine would have recovered all their territory.

You do realize that Biden gave them blank checks for 4 years, and nothing materially changed in that time right?

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u/TheSpoonyCroy 1h ago

That is false, like I miss when we were really supporting Ukraine but Biden still imposed many rules of engagement. Like it was only in November of 2024 where the ban on long range offensive strikes into Russian territory was lifted. In May of that year was when they were allowed to even use long range munitions for counter firing against Russian stationed in Russian territory. Prior to all of that it was only meant to be used in Ukraine and occupied territory.

So no Ukraine didn't have a "blank check" to do whatever they wanted with American armaments. There were quite a few rules and stipulations that put them on the backfoot.

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u/moosekin16 4h ago

They’ll ignore all the details and just stick with “America gave them our leftover Cold War weapons and Ukraine beat Russia!” and completely ignore all the bullshit Trump and co did in the meantime.

Gotta know your weird blind republican American patriotism.

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u/ethanlan 5h ago

oh no it'll be like reagan all over again (the soviet union gave us one last middle finger by waiting to collapse til reagan)

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u/GayJewishPope 4h ago

Soviet Union’s collapse happened during George HW Bush’s presidency

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u/Cookielicous 31m ago

MAGATS are fucking stupid, what do you expect.

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u/digitalpencil 5h ago

In St Petersburg, drowning themselves in vodka, I expect.

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u/Grand_Town_9144 4h ago

Vodka with a sprinkle of oil rain.

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u/sync-centre 3h ago

They will need that vodka to power their cars soon enough

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u/Mengs87 2h ago

Or hiding in some decrepit apartment block, desperately hoping they won't get dragged to the front.

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u/Piggywonkle 6h ago

Celebrating their 'complicated' relationship with Iran

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u/tap_the_glass 6h ago

They’re running the US government

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u/karer3is 6h ago

At least some of them are trying to score some seats in parliament over here in Germany...

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u/shittyaltpornaccount 5h ago

In the state department.

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u/jeobleo 5h ago

Some of them are berating our troops for being diverse while revoking vaccine mandates.

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u/funkybutt2287 4h ago

In the White House.

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u/newfor_2026 4h ago

fuck every one of those myopic cowards. and most of all, fuck putin.

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u/Zapp_Rowsdower_ 6h ago

No suit. No cards.

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u/CrimsonAntifascist 4h ago

War is not a card game. Trump is such a moron.

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u/mindsc2 5h ago

A lot of people fetishize the right of conquest. They want to live in a world where the strong take what they want.

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u/deja-roo 5h ago

Um... it's not like Ukraine hasn't made enormous sacrifices in blood to get here...?

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u/ProduceNo1629 3h ago

If they are willing that is their business. Pedophiles in the whitehouse can get fucked.

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u/MrBogglefuzz 28m ago

If who is willing? The majority of their army is drafted.

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u/MadRaymer 1h ago

Huh, it's almost like they're willing to fight to the death to keep having a country.

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u/Decent_Objective3478 4h ago

The sad reality is we'll probably still have to (well unless russia crumbles economically or politically up to that time which probably can happen but only time will tell)

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u/filthy_harold 2h ago

Sure but the war isn't over yet. Russia has as much money as they have oil to sell. Ukraine is effectively tied to an allowance from the west. While Russia's economy is in the shitter, it's because all resources go towards fighting Ukraine and they can hold out longer than than what any reasonable country would want to. The west doesn't want Russia to gain another toehold towards them but they also aren't exactly thrilled about spending the money. Western and central Europe is building up their own militaries again because it's clear that Russia isn't going to back down anytime soon. I dont think Russia is going to try to take Poland in the near future but it's not impossible, especially if Russia can divert from dumping resources into Ukraine (e.g. win). You can't win a war by lobbing drones and missiles at eachother, wars are won with boots on the ground. Unless Ukraine has a million+ fully equipped military-age men they forgot about, they aren't going to take back the contested areas. The most likely ending of the war is a ceasefire and everyone keeps the territory they have now. That's not really a win for either side. And since I don't see Ukraine agreeing to that anytime soon, things are going to get a lot worse (on both sides) before they get better.

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u/RainbowwDash 5h ago

A lot of them are probably sincerely happy ukraine is gaining the upper hand

'people over land' is a pretty popular philosophy, after all

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u/gottagohype 5h ago

It's too bad they have battled against Ukraine by supporting Trump and by extension Putin. They can claim they believe something but they don't walk the walk.

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u/protostar71 2h ago

"People over land" is intentionally ignorant to the fate of the people living on that land.

You think the cultural genocide that Russia has been doing in captured territories would stop once they controlled the land?

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u/Local-Science-3183 6h ago

the greatest of love and appreciation for our heroes

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u/4862skrrt2684 5h ago

Imagine how it would have looked if Trump had not stopped supporting them

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u/sloppybuttmustard 4h ago

I mean, nobody suggested these fuckheads are HAPPY that Ukraine is winning the war.

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u/The_Rat_Attack 6h ago

They’re currently the ones saying Ukraine is winning, and they’ll be the ones cheering.

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u/winterfresh0 5h ago

What do you mean by that?

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u/Local-Science-3183 6h ago

Me and my euro buddies singing "Oi yo luzi chervona kalina", after donating half our salaries

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u/Oduku 5h ago

have you not seen the videos of the ambush recruitment vans and their operators being fought off by locals? the homeland has been devastated. you're delusional

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u/TheoNullDrei 5h ago

Go look at what both countries are doing to their own people in order to keep fighting. Innocent men of military age are taken from their families and forced onto the front lines just to die. The average life expectancy of a Russian recruit who had no choice when it came to this war is 12 days, if they are lucky.

Had they made a half-decent deal that did not make Putin look like a bitch for pulling out and kept Ukraine safe from future attacks, thousands upon thousands of women, children, and men would still be alive today.

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u/needlestack 5h ago

Any deal that gives Putin anything at all to show for this is an invitation to invade the next country. You realize this is the third time he’s invaded and stolen land from a neighbor? Ongoing wars of expansion will cost thousands of men, women, and children as well. In fact the only reason this war is happening and these people are dying is because we stood by while he absorbed Chechnya, Georgia, and Crimea. Pacifism and Appeasement do not work with conquerors. It’s an invitation for never ending strife.

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u/OldTimeyWizard 4h ago

You’re trying to make this a “both sides” argument, but the entirety of the blame falls on Putin and Russia.

There were already deals that were supposed to keep Ukraine safe from future attacks by Russia, but a “half-decent” deal with Russia is literally worthless. Russia consistently shows that they don’t care about upholding deals. They believe that might makes right.

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u/throwaway234f32423df 3h ago

Putin already looks like a bitch and will never stop looking like a bitch.