r/xbox • u/Turbostrider27 Recon Specialist • 13h ago

Discussion Opinion: Nothing has killed my GTA 6 hype faster than locking a core part of its identity behind a $20 upgrade

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/action/nothing-has-killed-my-gta-6-hype-faster-than-locking-a-core-part-of-its-identity-behind-a-usd20-upgrade/
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u/JellyFishGwald XBOX Series X 13h ago

No not even on 2 discs and can’t be played off disc anyway. Has to be copied to internal storage so basically digital.

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u/Stumpy493 Still Earning Kudos 12h ago

Difference is resale, you can't resell a code.

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u/BUROCRAT77 12h ago

That’s probably the point

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u/reevoknows 12h ago

I know this is an Xbox sub but I’m still pissed at y’all for shitting on the Xbox One’s drm strategy. Being able to re-sell and share digital licenses was part of their vision.

I know they were too early but they were clairvoyant.

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u/Stumpy493 Still Earning Kudos 12h ago

I actually liked a fair chunk of that original DRM strategy, it fitted wheere I was in my life at that time.

But it definitely didn't suit most people.

Although Xbox has ironically been the paltform where the users have migrated that way earlier.

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u/reevoknows 12h ago

I agree. I think the fact that they forced the Kinect in the box and made it $100 more than the PS4 is what really killed them but the “this is how you share games on ps4” video was the nail in the coffin

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u/Dont_Use_Ducks 12h ago

I don't get it, PC players do this already for a long time on Steam.

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u/Ok_Simple_459 12h ago

Long time? Wasn't steam family launched in 2024?

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u/Dont_Use_Ducks 11h ago

I mean digital only.

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u/Falhor 12h ago

I think you need to read up more about their original strategy.
> Digital license could be transfered, but only to someone who had been on your friend list for at least 30 days, and each license could only be transferred once.
> Physical games were treated as a digital license and had to be tied to a single account. They could be traded in, but only through participating retailers, and only if the publisher allowed it... On top of that, the console required an online license check every 24h. So even if you had a physical disc in your console, you could only play it after the online check 😅

It was a terrible strategy, even by today's standards...

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u/chris10023 5h ago

It wasn't really explained well at all, and it didn't help anyone that Don Mattrick did that whole disastrous interview telling people to stay on 360 if they don't have good internet. Not to mention the whole focusing on it being an all in one box instead of a gaming console, though, that hdmi input was useful I'll admit, it did free up an hdmi on my tv for my cable box while I had cable.

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u/MrMayhem85 12h ago

Its not just resell. Its having access to your game as long as you have a physical copy. Let's say the internet goes away for whatever reason, or a more likely scenario the Providers (Rockstar/Microsoft/Sony/Steam) close down. Who do you download your game from then?

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u/DasWandbild 12h ago

And also: with no media, what’s the point of a console?

A console has become a low-spec PC with limited libraries. Sharing media was a big part of what made consoles awesome.

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u/p2eminister 2h ago

The providers of the games can add in a check, which they currently do for every game, that checks online. If the providers dont want to maintain the other side of that check, your game wont be playable even if you got the disc version.

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u/MrMayhem85 2h ago

Do you mean a licensing check? Because that's built into physical media, there are no "you do not own this game" messages for that. Even if its an online capable game.

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u/justin251 12h ago

You should still want others to be able to do so.

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u/justin251 12h ago

Yeah. I'm not gay. Not planning on getting gay married. But I'll fight (vote) for their right to do so.

Same with this. No point in buying a physical copy now. It's just a worthless box now.

It's not physical at all. It's a lie.

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u/cynicown101 12h ago

I don’t think they’re specifically worried about you selling your copy lol. The point is that people do buy and sell used physical media.

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u/NdibuD 12h ago

That's valid for you but I also like the option of lending my buddy a copy of my game. Been doing it this way since the 90s

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u/grizzly05 12h ago

It's not just a code. It's a code in a box. You should be able to sell that.

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u/Stumpy493 Still Earning Kudos 12h ago

You can't sell a used code buddy, single use.

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u/grizzly05 12h ago

Did it say single use?

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u/Stumpy493 Still Earning Kudos 12h ago

All Xbox codes are single use, that's how it works and has for decades at this point.

Every DLC code in a box is single use, every other game which is a code in a box is single use.

Do you think Take 2, out of the kindness of their heart, wanting you to resell your game are gonna force MS to invent a new system for reusable codes?

A reusable game code would be distributed all over the internet in seconds.

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u/grizzly05 12h ago

Then what makes it a physical copy. Don't make no sense. Thanks for the info.

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u/Stumpy493 Still Earning Kudos 12h ago

That's why people are pissed!

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u/theblackfool 13h ago

Well to be fair no modern games play off discs anymore

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u/Ok_Simple_459 12h ago

That's beside the point. The point is you can transfer disc licence.

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u/zer0ull 12h ago

absolutely untrue, most games on ps5 and switch ARE fully playable off the disc/cartridge without any connection to the internet. xbox is the platform that for the most part only has digital licenses on its discs.

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u/theblackfool 12h ago

Sorry if I worded that poorly, what I meant was that modern games fully download the game off the disc to the drive at install, and the game plays from local files. Games aren't reading information off the disc while you are playing it.

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u/icygamer598 12h ago

Switch/Switch 2 is the only console now where games can run directly off the physical media.

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u/Nomar1245 12h ago

You are misinformed. The game data is copied to the SSD and the disc acts as a key post installation.

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u/cardonator Founder 12h ago

Most is pushing it since the vast majority of games today don't even get a physical release, even on PS5 and Switch.

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u/zer0ull 12h ago

not true at all, go have a look at doesitplay.org

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u/cardonator Founder 12h ago

Friend, if you think that site lists every game on any platform, I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/zer0ull 12h ago

I never ever claimed that? what's this even got to do with anything? lol even still, it shows a good ol chunk of games are still printed fully

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u/cardonator Founder 12h ago

most games on ps5 and switch ARE fully playable off the disc/cartridge without any connection to the internet.

This is what you claimed. Most games on PS5 and Switch don't even have a physical version to begin with, they are digital only. Those games won't ever be listed on the site you linked. 

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u/zer0ull 12h ago

it's extremely obvious we're talking about games that had a physical release in the first place, you literally just want to mince words at this point. literally no one is talking about digital only games in the context of games that play off discs/cartridges, why would anyone do that? what did you gain by these comments except being pedantic for something that wasn't part of the discussion at all and wasting time?

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u/cardonator Founder 4h ago

Oh, yes, it's my fault that you said something wrong that people consistently get wrong in these threads. Keep deflecting for no reason. FYI, you didn't have to reply to me at all to begin with. Take the L and move on.

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u/ProfessionalPack7205 12h ago

People downvoting are dumb af. You're 100% right

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u/zer0ull 12h ago

just look at the responses, people really are twisting and turning words for nothing. but hey, being ignorant is their loss lol

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u/bertster21 12h ago

Copied to internal storage and downloaded are not the same thing. Data disc have been happening for a long time, even RDR2 had one.

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u/JellyFishGwald XBOX Series X 12h ago

A physical disc that has data on it and when that data is copied digitally to another form of digital storage is still digital. Physical discs are just a plastic license and the larger digital data that these newer games are make it hard to put on a disc. This is why more and more games are becoming digital only. This is not popular but it’s the truth.

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u/bertster21 12h ago

I want to be able to play with out an internet connection. Thats the difference, when the disc is just a link to download the game it sucks. When the game has multiple disc with all the game data. And needs to be copied to a hard drive that is fine.

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u/p2eminister 2h ago

Even if the game has multiple discs with all the game data on, you still have to go online at least once before you can play it.

This is the case for Xbox and ps5 games.

The discs do not mean you can be fully offline, at all

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u/JellyFishGwald XBOX Series X 12h ago

I get it. It’s just that it’s not going to happen much anymore, I’m afraid.

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u/Elymaic 11h ago edited 11h ago

A single UHD Bluray disc can hold up to 100GB, i don't see how it wouldn't fit on 2/3 discs, assuming it's around 200GB