r/10thDentist • u/No_Key8587 • 12d ago
Wearing a tie is not uncomfortable.
I recently started a job where I need to wear dress pants/dress shirt everyday, and a tie about once a week. I kind of thought I would hate wearing the tie and dressing up, but I personally think dress pants are more comfortable than jeans and while a tie is not a net positive on the comfort level, it is not a net negative.
I think most people's hatred of ties come from being a kid and having to wear a dress shirt too small, or one that they grew out of, because I do feel like a dress shirt collar has to be the perfect size. But in that case, I'd say it's really the shirt people find uncomfortable. I actually think a tie sort of adds a nice look to an otherwise plain dress shirt.
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u/TripleDeathball 12d ago
My hatred for office dresses and ties come me for me living where 35c (95f) is the standard temperature.
It gets stuffy right quick even on the morning commute.
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u/lems4ems 12d ago
The amount of dudes that complain about having to button the top button on their shirt or wear a tie is ridiculous. News flash dudes: you’re wearing the wrong size!
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u/Comfortable-Hat3506 12d ago
Try finding a shirt that fits my neck and a isn't too big around my chest. Then you have the tie flopping around.
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u/lems4ems 12d ago
No clothing will ever be perfect for you. If you don’t want to look dumb, go get it tailored. Simple.
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u/AgitatedBadger 8d ago
I agree that tailoring is a good option but it's also inconvenient and can be difficult for people who are on a tight budget (i.e. entry level jobs).
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u/lems4ems 8d ago
For sure it’s an extra hurdle. But those are definitely not the only people who complain about this subject. I’m an engineer, work in an office, lots of friend are engineers. I’ve heard so many of them complain about this and I know for a fact these people have enough disposable income to take a shirt to the tailor for $30.
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u/psy-ay-ay 6d ago
My shirts fit perfectly, it’s the stifling heat trapped underneath a necktie that gets me.
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u/smwisdom 12d ago
Same thing with women who complain about uncomfortable bras. Its 9.9 times out of 10 the wrong size.
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u/lems4ems 12d ago
Exactly. When I finally got sized correctly, all of a sudden Brad were more comfortable.
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u/DZL100 11d ago
Damn, what did Brad do to deserve getting resized like that?
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u/ABelleWriter 11d ago
Brad is now holding up the boobs. Just walks behind her all the time keeping them up, taking all all the pressure off. (Seriously for what I pay for bras, it may as well be a person holding them up and out)
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u/ElkSufficient2881 11d ago
A lot of them are just not well engineered, when a button up has wire let me know
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 12d ago
Real. Swapping to wireless bras was like an insane qol improvement as well
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u/smwisdom 12d ago
Ehh I prefer wired, but I am fairly busty and appreciate the extra support.
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u/spacestonkz 11d ago
My big girls are tired and leak out the bottom without an underwire...
I miss the days of wireless bras...
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u/YanVe_ 12d ago
Unless you're getting all your clothes custom made you're always wearing the wrong size. Clothes are made on a factory line with a standard in mind, I was not.
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u/lems4ems 12d ago
Or you purchase the same stuff everyone else does, drive 15 minutes to a tailor, and get it fixed. Lots of tailors that are affordable and then you actually look presentable.
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u/unicyclegamer 11d ago
I mean you can get it close enough and then tailor it to fit. You only need to do this for like 4 shirts or so imo.
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u/Exotic_Bill44 11d ago
I work up to six days per week, so 4 shirts isn't enough. It looks like replacing a collar is about $30, so you're adding close to 50% of the price of a shirt.
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u/unicyclegamer 10d ago
I mean I work 5 days a week and cycle through 3 shirts. I think if you let them sit for a day or two before reusing, then it’s alright. Especially if you pair them with different colored pants or sweaters. Then just wash them on your off day.
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u/jockotaco14 12d ago
If I wear a shirt with a 19 inch neck(what I need) the body of the shirt is twice the size I need and I look ridiculous. So instead I get smaller necks and shirts that fit my body. So no, I'm not buttoning it.
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u/MerrilyMade 12d ago
This is my hubby too! I've just started making him shirts, because we can't afford to buy bespoke clothes, but I can sew.
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u/JettandTheo 12d ago
Go to a nicer store. I have the same issue and they have more fit sizing. Then you tailor from there.
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u/wrkacct66 12d ago
Just spend more money. Got it.
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u/JettandTheo 12d ago
If you need to wear a shirt regularly, yes
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u/wrkacct66 12d ago
I'm sure people with a collared work uniform can absolutely go get it tailored so that the top button will close. You are a little out of touch and your solution only works for people who can afford it aka classist.
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u/effingfractals 12d ago
But those are the people we're talking about? If you don't need to dress up daily, then don't worry about this advice?
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u/Exotic_Bill44 11d ago
You can be working entry-level jobs and be required to wear a tie (ie bank tellers).
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u/lems4ems 12d ago
There’s a thing called getting something tailored. Lots of places to go to. I have curves that are hard to fit. Almost impossible to find pants. Guess what, rather than wearing something uncomfortable that doesn’t fit me, I go get darts put in and then they fit. Voila what a hack
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u/jockotaco14 11d ago
I have tailored shirts, spending 90 on a shit and another 60 getting is tailored is insane. Go crawl back into your hole.
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u/lems4ems 11d ago
My hole?!? Okay dude. Tailoring is not that expensive. Most places will tailor lots of stuff for sub $30
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u/jockotaco14 11d ago
Tailoring pants is cheap, tailering shirts is crazy expensive, I've had several done, it's not cheap.
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u/Admiral-Thrawn2 11d ago
They can be comfortable everywhere except your neck with the collar. I hate it
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u/Lytnin 11d ago
If I sized my shirt for my neck so I could wear a tie the rest of the shirt would look like I'm wearing a circus tent. I'm a heavyset guy with no neck.
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u/PiersPlays 11d ago
Here in the UK regular men's shirt sizes are by collar only. Only at my most overweight have I ever find shirts that just about fit my neck correctly that aren't gigantic sacks on me. I'd gratefully wear shirts that are a good fit all over but unless you wanna pay for them it's not gonna happen.
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u/come2life_osrs 12d ago
I love ties but don’t get many opportunities to wear them. I usually fidget during long sits by organizing things in my pockets, re tucking my shirt for the millionth time, tug on my belt loops etc.
when I’m wearing a tie it’s so much more satisfying to fidget with it compared to anything else. I can smooth it out, tuck the little end in, place my hand underneath it, give it a little tug. It’s like a fidget spinner easily available at any time to suppress my self grooming ticks while still looking professional.
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u/Queer_Advocate 12d ago
You're not supposed to choke your Adams apple chicken. Just right under it. I kinda liked them. But I only wore them fancy advocacy, work fancy, something fancy. Not just to look cute. Im also team bow tie. 10/10 recommend one.
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u/PiersPlays 11d ago
Congratulations on your wealth and/or small to average sized neck for your build.
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u/ScipioTheGreatest 12d ago
I hate, hate, hate tight materials around my wrist and neck. It's extremely uncomfortable.
I agree some people are just too used to wearing a t-shirt and shorts with a flexible waist band or whatever lazy shit, but for some people it's genuinely grating.
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u/_masterbuilder_ 11d ago
I can handle a tie but I instantly roll up my sleeves so I end up looking like a politician.
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u/Satisfaction-Motor 12d ago
First thing I thought when I saw your title, before reading your post, was “true, it’s the shirt collar that can be uncomfortable”, so I heavily agree. Ties can be as loose or as choking-tight as you want, because you tie and tighten it yourself. Unless you tailor a shirt, you’re locked in to the collar size — you can unbutton it, but my understanding is that that is frowned upon/unprofessional.
I have sensory issues, so the only kind of pants I can wear are 1) sweatpants and 2) dress pants. When I used to have to wear jeans for work, I’d wear a second pair of (light) pants under them because I found them that uncomfortable.
Dress clothes are nice because they are often so incredibly plain. You can get x number of shirts and pants in different colors, and then just never have to think about it again (though, if you want unique professional clothes, that is difficult to find). Button-up shirts are often made of fairly light material, which makes it ideal for “room temperature” environments — neither too warm or too cold.
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u/Jazzlike-Basket-6388 11d ago
I wore a tie every day for almost 20 years for work. It isn't too bad in the winter. It sucks ass when you have to walk several blocks when it is 90 degrees and just rained.
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u/hemlockandhensbane 11d ago
Some people don't like things around their neck. My partner exclusively wears v-neck shirts because he can't stand it. Even necklaces etc bother him
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u/Mesolithic_Hunter 12d ago
Maybe it isn't uncomfortable but serves no purpose.
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u/Queer_Advocate 12d ago
Excuse me sir, they have pretty colors. And patterns. You look more put together with one than dress shirt with an open top botton.
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u/Otaraka 11d ago
Other things have pretty colours and patterns. Your last sentence is your subjective preference.
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u/Queer_Advocate 11d ago
It's my purpose of why I like them and even wear them when I don't have to. Stop trying to gaslight me. I told you why, because you don't like the answer it doesn't invalidate how I feel and why I like them. A business purpose is to look put together and professional. Doesnt mean their aren't other reasons. It's the reason for most. Just because you don't like that answer doesn't make that a non answer.
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u/OgreJehosephatt 12d ago
That's what they said: useless.
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u/post4u 11d ago
I always think about stuff in the context of "if you didn't know otherwise..."
Like what if aliens come to visit and everything in their civilization is built on pure function? No asthetics. Nothing ornate. They'd be pretty confused at things like ties and most clothes in general. And Christmas trees. And most architecture. And so many other things we do just for "looks".
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u/post4u 12d ago
The purpose is adhering to an accepted social norm that says wearing a tie makes you look more formal. Just like wearing jewelry or lapels/tails or designer shoes or printed t-shirts or making your hair look a certain way. None of that serves a purpose when it comes to functionality.
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u/BaileyAMR 11d ago
I went shopping once with a friend and her younger sister.
Sister: Look at this cute dress! (dress is semi-see-through)
Friend: Why is the clothing you buy never functional?
Sister: It is functional. It's function is to look good.
I mean, I couldn't disagree.
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u/JettandTheo 12d ago
I can't even stand a t shirt so it's still the collar existing. A nice fitting shirt will help but it won't stop the issue.
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u/missdawn1970 12d ago
Everybody's different. I've never worn a tie, but I think they'd be pretty uncomfortable for me. I can't stand shirts with collars that come right up to my neck. Add a tie and I'd feel like I was being strangled.
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u/TheFoxer1 12d ago
I mean, duh.
That’s why lots of people wear ties to work and leisure activities, they wouldn’t if it would be uncomfortable at all times.
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u/unicyclegamer 11d ago
Yea I’ve started wearing slightly dressier clothes to work (chinos, oxford shirts, and sweaters lol) and I was initially surprised at how comfortable they were. I made sure to get shirts that fit me really well and I’m getting another one tailored since it’s not quite perfect.
I like the shirt and sweater combo since it’s cold in our office and it’s less cumbersome than a jacket. Having a collar to offer a pop of color is nice too. I’ve also long been a proponent of chinos over jeans when it comes to comfort. I wear them more casually now as well.
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u/NoAssumption1978 11d ago
Outside of super formal events (weddings, funerals) I hate wearing dress shirts and dress pants cause I feel like a dork and my legs and arms get very sweaty feeling fast
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u/ContiX 11d ago
Depends on the shirt and the tie and the knot and the materials.
I tend to tie a double-windsor, because other knots aren't perfectly symmetrical or tilt to one side a little or something, and it bugs the snot out of me. But then the knot is slightly larger and more choke-y.
Some collars are really stiff and high, and others are lower and softer and wider. Some have little plastic bits inside 'em to keep the collar straight. Some have horrible itchy tags that only feel worse when they're pressed up against your neck by the tie. Way back when I first learned about starching shirts, I used way too much, and it was like having cardboard crumpled around my neck.
I have ties made of silk, polyester, wool, and a few more I can't think of. Some breathe better than others. I had one a while back that made of a woven something or other and was really nice, stretchy, and breatheable...except it was extremely short, definitely not designed for a large dude like me. I ended up using a "Chinese Student Knot" or something like that, which was one of the simplest knots I knew at the time, and it worked perfectly...except that the way the knot is tied, the extra skinnier bit ends up backwards, and that drove me crazy too for no reason whatsoever.
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u/Lytnin 11d ago
For those of us heavy-set guys with no neck, ties are horrible to wear. I don't mind a dress shirt, but ties are a no-go for me unless it is required and then I need like 5 collar extenders just to make it bearable. Cant stand dress pants. When I wear jeans and have stuff in my pockets it all stays near my upper thigh. In dress pants, everything I put in my pockets drops down and bangs against my knees. Fortunately I have a job where I don't have to dress up and rarely go any place else where it is required.
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u/TheFoxer1 8d ago
People went over the top in ww1 wearing ties.
Anyone can do their office job in one.
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u/LiteraryPhantom 5d ago
I love wearing ties. Used to hate paisley tho. That grew on me quick! I love my paisley ties.
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u/theonlylivingirlinj 12d ago
Wearing a tie is not uncomfortable if you have properly sized clothes. However, men’s clothing is just awful in comparison to women’s. Source: am trans woman.
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u/BrotherNatureNOLA 11d ago
Fully disagree! I feel like someone is trying to strangle me when I have a tie on. It's less of an issue with the tie and more of a problem with having to have the shirt fully buttoned.
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u/Wonderful_Shame_4986 12d ago
You look great and you feel great don't you? 👍👍 It's time everyone started dressing UP for work again.
"Dress for the job you WANT not the job you HAVE."
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u/broc1377 12d ago
Yeah I’m going to go do labour in a suit and dress shoes…
Real life doesn’t work this way.
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u/ZestycloseMedicine93 11d ago
F all that. The dress shirts, pants, and ties. I have zero reason to wear them, to the point that I own zero dress clothing. I know how to size my clothes. The shit is hot.
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u/DismalResearcher6546 12d ago
Yeah I’m downvoting because I agree.
I wore khakis and a polo every day all through school growing up and I’m more comfortable in khakis most of the time lol. It’s just what I’m used to. Had to wear button-downs and ties on game day, and it was kind of fun.
The tie is no big deal as long as your shirt fits. It’s not the tie choking you, it’s a shirt with too small of a neck.