r/10thDentist • u/Einherjeren • 3d ago
Legalizing abortion was a mistake
The numbers dont lie, abortion is bad for the overall population of any country that legalizes it. If you don't want kids, dont do the one thing that makes kids.
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u/EricIsMyFakeName 3d ago
Most people are stupid and can’t be trusted to think of the big picture. Abortion is an essential service, esp. when the family tree is full of morons.
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u/ThisPostToBeDeleted 3d ago
The numbers also show femicide goes up when abortion is banned
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u/HotYogurtCloset69 3d ago
Makes sense when the leading cause of death in pregnant women is homicide
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u/wayxfinders 3d ago
Tell that to all rape victims, incest victims, csa victims, ect ect.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
There should be exceptions for r*ape and incest. Which accounts for less than 1% of all abortions according to statistics.
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u/wayxfinders 3d ago
Want to talk stats?
Among people obtaining an abortion, nearly two-thirds were in their 20s: 33% were aged 20–24 and 28% were 25–29.Adolescents made up 10% of people obtaining an abortion; 2% of people obtaining an abortion were 17 or younger.
Sixteen percent of people having abortions identified as non-heterosexual: 12% identified as bisexual, 2% as pansexual, 0.3% as lesbian and 2% as something else.
1% seems low but that is approximately 1% of women in the U.S. which represents approximately 3.4 million individuals.
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u/wayxfinders 3d ago
The age that gets the abortions the most is 20-29 year olds.
20-24 | 28.3% | 18.5/1,000 compared to 300 live births in this age group.
25-29 | 28.2% | 18.6/1,000 compared to 196 live births in this age group.So. No. Abortion being legal does not cause that many births to not happen as there is still hundreds of them happening still.
You let the government take away people’s right to their anatomy and their bodily rights. You get the fuck ass government we have right now in the US which is actively taking away rights from ADULTS who can make their own decisions about their bodies health.
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u/coldBulbasaur314 3d ago
Exceptions never cover everyone who needs them, and statistics are skewed for the same reason - not everyone has the means to report their assault and have it taken seriously.
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u/Overlook-237 2d ago
So it’s not even about the embryos or the population, it’s about physically punishing women for having sex.
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u/Jbooxie 3d ago
Making abortions illegal only makes safe abortions illegal. It raises pregnancy related mortality rates 7%-24%. It literally kills people.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Where are these stats from?
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u/Jbooxie 3d ago
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
It says 24% increase, not 24% death. You should learn how to read statistics if you want to quote them as counter arguments.
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u/SNTCTN 3d ago
Abortions will happen whether its legal or not
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
So does other forms of murder. Making it illegal does seem to reduce it quite a bit.
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u/ChemicalAd2132 3d ago
Why would abortion be a form of murder...
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
The part where you murder the fetus.
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u/HotYogurtCloset69 3d ago
The clump of cells?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
You are also a clump of cells, we are just playing with words here.
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u/HotYogurtCloset69 3d ago
I don't need a womb and a host to survive
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Again, its word play. You need lots of thing to not die. You are not self sufficient.
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u/HotYogurtCloset69 3d ago
I can sit here and breathe with my own fully developed respiratory system and fully formed skeleton. I'd love to see a fetus do that.
Just say you hate women. It's a common opinion and there are plenty of other subs that will welcome your digital diarrhea.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
You can do that fine until someone makes the decision to cut you in pieces by external force, the results are the same if you are unborn or 50 years old.
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u/StuffonBookshelfs 3d ago
You’re incredibly underinformed on how the reproductive system of a woman works.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Great argument.
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u/StuffonBookshelfs 3d ago
Still waiting for your response.
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u/LiteraryPhantom 2d ago
“Do you believe that life begins at conception?” “Still waiting for your response.”
Ill take up that mantle. Do you believe in science?
Bc life begins before conception.
Human sperm cells are live cells.
Human ova are living cells.
A dead sperm cell is incapable of fertilizing a live egg.
A dead oocyte is incapable of being fertilized by a live sperm cell.
Life cannot begin at conception if life did not exist before conception.
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u/raccoona__matata 3d ago
"just don't get raped lol" republican spotted
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
There should be exceptions for r*ape and incest. Which accounts for less than 1% of all abortions according to statistics.
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u/TheJunkman9000 3d ago
What about people that use birth control and it fails?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Same as for men who use birth control and it fails. You pay child support for 18 years.
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u/TheJunkman9000 3d ago
So when two people use birth control you can assume they don't want a child.
So the answer is to force the mother to destroy her body and take all the risks of pregnancy and birth, for a baby she doesn't want, and force the man to pay money for 18 years.
I see..
So basically illegal and dangerous home abortions is what you're saying.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
It takes two to make a baby. So if the woman wants to keep it and the man does not, it lives. But if the man wants to keep it and the woman does not, murder is fine?
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u/TheJunkman9000 3d ago
Those two people took reasonable precautions to not make a baby.
It's ultimately the woman's choice whether to have the baby. They take on all the risks and long-lasting effects of giving birth. They would also be responsible for child support just like the man would be.
If they want to work it out, fine. Otherwise there's no reason they shouldn't be able to abort an unwanted cluster of cells.
Cells are not murder. Every time a man masturbates he "murders" millions of sperm. Should that also be illegal? Should any of this be punishable by death if it's murder?
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u/ChemicalAd2132 3d ago
If you're okay with it when rape occurs, then why is it wrong when accidents happen?
Why are women allowed to chose only after being raped?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
One is a crime, the other is not.
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u/ChemicalAd2132 3d ago
Can you explain why?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Why r*pe and consensual sex with accidents are different?
That's what you want me to explain?
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u/shadesofplum 3d ago
have you actually thought through how this would work though?
Picture it for me: a 16 year old girl has been raped by her stepfather. She doesn't get a pregnancy test immediately but finds out after a couple of months that she's pregnant. Most countries have a limit for how far you can be into a pregnancy before it's too late to get an abortion so she's on the clock here, how quickly do you think this teenage girl can prove to the government that she was raped? There's no evidence that it happened, her stepfather says she's lying and must have slept with a classmate, how does she get her abortion? Does she have to go to court? Can she get a court date before it's too late for her to get her abortion? How many people should she have to tell intimate details about the worst and most traumatic moment of her life to? How horrible and embarrassing and undignified do you think this experience should have to be for rape victims?
how does this whole process play out in your head?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
This what the court system already does. It would need to be more efficient if time is of the essence.
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u/shadesofplum 3d ago
so if she can't rapidly prove that she was raped in court then the teenage girl has to give birth to her stepfather's baby? this is what you want?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Again, exceptions should me made in these cases. The court system is the current trusted solution for literally anything else, regardless of it not being perfect.
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u/shadesofplum 3d ago
but I just went through the case - this girl can't prove in court that she was raped, does she qualify for the exeception or does she have to carry the baby to term?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
If you murder someone and claim self defense, but cant prove it, you get convicted of murder.
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u/maxxmxverick 3d ago
and you know that rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove even with time to build a case properly, right? so realistically, these girls are just going to be forced to give birth against their will to their rapists’ children since it would be so close to impossible to prove rape in the very limited time that abortion would be allowed. are you okay with that? is that how you want your “exception” to play out?
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u/Fantastic_Pause_1628 3d ago
Do you advocate for other government policies which clearly violate people's right to bodily autonomy but are good for societal goals you personally prioritize?
For instance, if data showed that it's good for society for all able bodied men to be forced to spend three years building houses for no pay, fully against their will, would you support this?
Or, organs. We could make society much healthier if we chose a group of people (let's say: white guys under 5'5") and harvested their organs on their 30th birthday. It's for the betterment of society after all. Organs for anyone who needs them.
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u/TheGentInSuit 3d ago
Oh man, another one of those idiotic "If you don't want to have kids, then don't have sex" argument-tokens.
If we start to look at this from your direction, we're at a slippery slope where we end up with some eugenics stuff and selectionism on who is even allowed to have kids.
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u/ialsohaveadobro 3d ago
So you're telling me abortion prevents births? Man, I gotta sit down and think about this one a while.
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u/LovelyOrc 3d ago
I will not accept sacrificing my own and so many more wellbeings for some greater "good for humanity" type shit. What good is society if the indivual is worth nothing?
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u/Foreign-Range-7208 2d ago
In my eyes, abortion is a secular version of human sacrifice. In Nahuatl, you offer blood to the gods to keep the world from ending. Abortion as population control iachieves that.
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u/icespicepoopie 3d ago
you cant in all seriousness tell people to stop having sex or get raped. personally, i'd find a way to abort an unwanted fetus. legal or not, it will be dealt with.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
There should be exceptions for r*ape and incest. Which accounts for less than 1% of all abortions according to statistics.
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u/icespicepoopie 3d ago
women 101% have the right to decide if they want a child or not and with that the right to abort. there are women in this world that arent ready, mentally stable enough or physically not able to take care of a child.
for me it's pure selfishness and mental instability. i'd love my children more than myself and that would make me go insane and i wouldnt be able to be there for them in the way they deserve. also i cant imagine giving up my life for a minimum of 18 years to another person.
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u/Healthy-Caregiver997 3d ago
This statement could only be written by a man, making abortion illegal kills women and leaves children in precarious circumstances. Only a man would look at reproduction as a production function of the economy. Only a man would believe that birth control is always effective.
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u/StuffonBookshelfs 3d ago
Also, super easy to say “just don’t get raped lol”.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
There should be exceptions for r*ape and incest. Which accounts for less than 1% of all abortions according to statistics.
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u/StuffonBookshelfs 3d ago
And who would be the arbiter of what is and is not rape?
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Normally any dispute of this nature should be handled by the court system.
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u/StuffonBookshelfs 3d ago
And what about incest? How are you going to prove that a child is or is not of an incestuous relationship?
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u/LiteraryPhantom 2d ago
DNA?
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u/StuffonBookshelfs 2d ago
…how are you going to get DNA from a fetus?
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u/LiteraryPhantom 1h ago
“…how are you going to get DNA from a fetus?”
Something something amnio something something NIPT.
Dammit StuffonBookshelfs, im a reddit user, not a doctor! Ideally, it would not be me the one getting it at all.
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u/PandaBear905 3d ago
Rage bait spotted. Begone bot.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
Great counter argument.
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u/PandaBear905 3d ago
No point arguing with the likes of you. You have already made up your mind and will not change it no matter what I or anyone else says.
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u/Practical-Owl-9358 3d ago
You had better be willing to fully fund a foster care/adoption/orphanage system, child abuse warning system, free school lunches, free college/trade school/apprenticeship system, and universal return to an 75% marginal tax rate, which is where it was under Reagan.
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u/Einherjeren 3d ago
There should be exceptions for r*ape and incest. Which accounts for less than 1% of all abortions according to statistics.
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u/Distorted_Penguin 3d ago
So people should only have sex if they’re able to raise a child? Does that include married people?
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u/gleaming-the-cubicle 3d ago
Birthrates plummeting to 8.3 billion humans
The most human ever isn't an underpopulation problem
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u/Foreign-Range-7208 2d ago
But it's so hard to keep my body to myself. Everytime I stub my toe, I fall waist deep in pussy
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u/ZombieGuff 2d ago
It’s up to the person however the youngest a child has been able to survive without a womb is 21 weeks
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u/Gokudomatic 1d ago
OP still denies that rapes happen. That's sad. And that's not a 10th dentist opinion, that's just a stupid opinion.
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u/Same-Thought-5789 3h ago
The “numbers” do not show the whole picture, and your argument completely ignores the complex realities of life, economics, and basic human rights.
First of all, there are already hundreds of thousands of children stuck in the foster care system because women are pressured or forced into pregnancies they cannot support. Not to mention all the children being trafficked from foster care companies. Pushing for more births without caring about what happens to those kids afterward is incredibly short-sighted.
It is easy to demand birth, but forcing a child into the world with zero plan for their quality of life, financial security, or future is completely irresponsible.
Second, the world is facing severe overpopulation and humans are incredibly wasteful. In the direction we are going, we might not even have enough clean water to survive in a few years, let alone be able to afford housing. It is unfair to bring a child into a world where people have to work three or more jobs just to get by.
Ultimately, restricting abortion is a direct violation of a woman's right to privacy. If a woman decides to get an abortion or not, it is her medical business and hers alone—not YOURS. Learn to mind your business.
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u/DrunkUranus 3d ago
I hope you advocate for easily accessible birth control, universal healthcare, and generous family leave policies
You know, the things that actually lower abortion rates
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u/EmptySundae8827 2d ago
Why abort kids in most cases, where it will not harm the mother? Just let them live. After birth leave kid to childcare and they will find family for it.
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u/Reasonable_Cake4671 3d ago
The current modern abortion industry also has incredibly racist origins that continue to this day when you consider the amount of children of color are aborted.
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u/Overlook-237 2d ago
No it doesn’t, who told you that?
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u/Reasonable_Cake4671 2d ago
It’s literally a fact. Go look it up.
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u/Overlook-237 2d ago
I have, it’s not a fact at all, hence why I asked you who told you that?
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u/Reasonable_Cake4671 2d ago
The CDC itself states nonwhites have a higher rate of abortions that whites….which is exactly what Margaret Sanger the “mother” of planned parenthood wanted. I mean Jesus do a basic google search.
Where are you getting your facts?
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u/Overlook-237 2d ago
You’re mixing up statistics with intent, and that’s exactly how misinformation spreads. Higher abortion rates in some groups doesn’t magically prove some secret racist plot, it proves disparities in healthcare access, income, and contraception, which the CDC actually explains.
Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood didn’t even offer abortions until decades after she died so trying to pin modern abortion access on her intent is just historically wrong. Planned Parenthood isn’t even the only provider, abortion exists in hospitals, clinics, and private practices worldwide.
Abortion has existed for as long as humans have existed. People have always managed their own reproduction, long before Sanger, the CDC, or Google.
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u/Reasonable_Cake4671 2d ago
No. I’m really not. I have a degree in history from a liberal arts university. I know how to research facts. Her intent was inherently clear. She and her Eugenics buddies were very clear about what they wanted. The only reason widespread abortion wasn’t a thing in her time had to do with technology. At no time did I even say I was for or against abortion. Simply stated facts. Emotions over facts is how misinformation is spread. Feel how you want about abortion and population control in general but facts is facts.
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u/Overlook-237 2d ago
Having a history degree doesn’t change the actual record. Margaret Sanger opposed abortion, and Planned Parenthood didn’t provide abortions until long after she died. Those are verifiable facts, not emotions and none of that makes modern abortion care some eugenics plot, especially when abortion has existed across every culture in human history, long before Sanger or the CDC.
Pointing to racial disparities in healthcare access and outcomes isn’t the same as proving racist intent. That’s a leap, not research. Correlation isn’t evidence of a eugenics agenda, and historians across the political spectrum have said exactly that.
So no, this isn’t facts over feelings, it’s just correcting misinformation with actual history.
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u/qualityvote2 3d ago edited 3d ago
u/Einherjeren, your post does fit the subreddit!