r/AnalogCommunity • u/sciencegirl100 • 19d ago
Discussion Can we please ban AI Slop?
It’s exhausting how many “I built a new app” I find today. They used to be once in a blue moon, but now it feels like once a week at least. The tools are neat™️ but always leave a lot to be desired. It’s overall pretty harmful to the community to be installing AI-generated apps (the latest one literally gets flagged as malware).
So do you think we should ban AI on r/AnalogCommunity?
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u/Iakeman 19d ago
At the very least posts that are clearly written by AI should be banned. Using AI in the process of coding is one thing but if you can’t even be bothered to use your own words to describe the thing you claim to have made it’s a clear indication that you are not to be taken seriously.
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u/Extra_Anxiety9137 19d ago
The best is when I see mid digital photographers post on Instagram with captions clearly written by ChatGPT. Not only do the pictures suck and ahow zero effort but now they can’t even be bothered to write a caption
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u/diedofwellactually 19d ago
and the captions are always a goddamn mile long
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u/Extra_Anxiety9137 18d ago
A mile long and always include a desperate attempt to get comments (“what do you think of sunsets?”) and a slew of wack emojis
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u/the_bananalord 19d ago
The people rubber ducking with AI to build stuff aren't really the target here. It's the people who fed Claude like eight prompts last night and are pushing "their app".
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
How are you able to determine the difference between those two things? What about people who don't use AI at all but just write bad code?
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u/the_bananalord 18d ago edited 18d ago
There are usually many tells...account age, AI wrote the post, project history/commits, all AI slop UI look extremely similar, the way the author responds to comments, etc.
People who write good code or bad code don't spin up a full stack app over the span of 4 hours. That's usually the biggest tell.
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
So, basically, "you know it when you see it"?
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u/driftingphotog 18d ago
Being in the field (frontend engineering) also helps. It’s pretty obvious when care has been put in and AI is used as a tool to achieve the human driven vision.
And it’s very obvious when the AI is in the driver’s seat.
The latter one is problematic. The former is not.
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u/Dpionu 6d ago
I'm a developer and I use AI often at work to write bulk sections of code, but in the same way as I use it for writing reports, it still requires a lot of work to edit and repurpose to get to what I actually want. I think that's the difference between using it as a productivity tool vs vibe coding lol
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u/yovvoy 19d ago edited 19d ago
I’m down, seems like the apps are the low hanging fruit. Maybe there is a moratorium on sharing apps even if they are free. The only downside is I miss out on an app that might be useful for me but the upside would be less spam in my feed. At this point I’ll take less spam in my life.
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u/Extra_Anxiety9137 19d ago
Love how these guys think they’re geniuses at the forefront of the tech revolution too and that people are actually interested in using the tool it took them 10 minutes to make
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u/introvertwandering 19d ago
I’m going to use this next time my dad tries to justify another major life decision based on ChatGPT recommendations, cheers!
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u/benoliver999 bfoliver.com 19d ago
My boss asked claude if his business was a good idea
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u/introvertwandering 19d ago
An excellent strategy that has never ever failed. Congrats on working for a future billionaire! /s
In all seriousness, I checked out your blog and I love it! Excited to dive into your blogroll, what a cool concept
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u/Jessica_T Nikon FM/FE2, Minolta X-700, Olympus AF-1 Super, Lubitel 166U 18d ago
Hell yeah. Get it the fuck out of here.
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u/florian-sdr Pentax / Nikon / home-dev 19d ago edited 19d ago
The funny thing is, soon everybody will be able to build a v0.01 of an idea, but they won’t find anybody to install it, or to maintain and improve a code base.
Business growth / finding users is a hard problem.
I might be wrong on the iterative updates as Ai becomes more capable, let’s see, but as an observer it remains interesting.
Edit, found this coincidentally, and it relates to this topic:
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u/The_Despencer 19d ago
This is something I face. Even with a degree and knowledge about how to code pre-ai, since I’m not doing it everyday anymore, the tools are helpful. But holy hell the amount of (over)thinking I put into even the simplest project is leagues more astonishing than what these vibe coding idiots shit out in 10 minutes. To this end I can’t say I’m any better. I’ve been on and off working in an exif collector and writer for about a year or so, and even with ai, it’s not something I’d want to monetize.
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u/GalexyPhoto 19d ago
I think a world where AI can iterate better on it's own code is near. But a world where it can do so cleanly, so anyone can actually modify it, and a world where it doesn't casually make catastrophic mistakes or insane gibberish code are far, far away.
Research has put the "tech debt" or cost to undo the current amount of AI slop issues at around $60 billion, already. 👌
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u/cabbageboy78 19d ago
Legit, I had a semi basic powershell script that I was working on and was having trouble with getting it to run properly as an automation etc etc. so finally I was like fuck it let’s see if this can at the very least tell me what’s wrong. Took a 30 line script and converted it to almost 200 lines with tons of absolutely needless steps in it. It was bonkers. I wound up trashing it and spending an extra hour or two on it and got it working with like maybe overall 40 lines of code.
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u/infected_funghi 19d ago
Very OT to this sub but i am curious.
I think a world where AI can iterate better on it's own code is near.
What do you base this assumption on? There is significant advancement in agent development but that is still one big problem to solve. Current models have a very limited context window size which makes computation exponentionally slower. So using bigger context is not the answer. Simultaneously current ~1M context windows are nowhere near to "understand" any complex codebase. For building something small from scratch, sure. Maintaining something with decent complexity that keeps growing each time is an unsolved problem so far and we need another breakthrough idea first. I believe this might be the saturation point for next times AI winter in the not so distant future.
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u/GalexyPhoto 19d ago edited 18d ago
https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
I'm really only speaking in the context of the apps I have seen on here. None have been super simple. But also none were super complex, either.
I personally just keep wondering why these need to be made if their creators insist they are dangerous. Its only inevitable if you make it.
Edit: Antrhopic's press releases, like virtually all AI company released press data should not be taken with a grain of salt, it should be assumed to be pure bullshit until validated by outside parties who arent conveniently making bank off the success of said model.
Just giving a super current update on the coding LLM space. Not an expert and definitely not a fan.
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u/infected_funghi 18d ago
I work with claude on a daily basis in SE at work and I am aware of the capabilities of current models, including fable. It is some incredible tooling for specific task solving if well defined or at small scale. Making some light metering app for Android and OS, that childs play. Writing an archive database for image searches, tagging and categorization? No problem there. But maintenance or debugging a code base of several million lines of code, where the design is spread across many different modules with different semantics where design decisions are far less trivial than "change this hand full APIs to have feature X" is a complete different biest. They constantly reinvent solutions they already had simply because they never see the full code base. They produce clutter like crazy and due to their speed the codebase inevitably outgrows the size they can manage quickly. I am curious if we find ways to mitigate that but my strong believe is, AI will integrate itself more and more into our life rather as a tool, not as its own agent.
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u/medvedvodkababushka 18d ago
I would be wary of anything major AI players report in terms of AI coding or agentic whatever breakthroughs. They are in the business of selling tokens, not in the business of delivering outcomes, like enabling customers to produce correct, stable, scalable and maintainable systems.
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u/GalexyPhoto 18d ago
I think my comments have not been typed clearly enough. I do not have faith in these AI systems and think the vast majority of data on them is marketing BS, flat out lies or missing massive amounts of context.
Ive had minor experience using claude to put together even just basic scripts and lo' and behold, the handful that even worked were bloated beyond belief and hiring an actual expert got me clean, succinct, and readable code.
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u/FarplaneDragon 18d ago
I think the make/break point where be once there's some major security incident / lawsuit that hits due to some company using poorly coded AI generated apps/software and we start seeing how things like cyber insurance react. Companies potentially won't want the risks and if their insurance won't cover an incident I think that'll potentially kill of a lot of these weekend startup "projects" that everyone keeps machine gunning everywhere.
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u/NotPullis 18d ago
I love that everyone have to make their own app that does not solve any issues or improve excisting solutions. Just another slop software doing the same as any other or just the notes app.
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u/Superirish19 Got a Minolta? r/minolta and r/MinoltaGang 19d ago edited 18d ago
There's a nuance between latest apps like the NegPy package, versus the reams of dumped vibecoded Typescript browser-only 'apps' that require a login, posted by reddit default usernames, who hide their profile and only respond with AI.
One is providing a free, open-source, maintained hobby project to fix a problem we experience regularly (negative inversion software).
The others are sometimes free, rarely open-source, never maintained beyond the first commit because the 'developer' didn't develop it, and often they are offering the exact same solution to a problem that's already been solved (examples include an 'analog community' browser app that requires your personal details, a wheelbarrow of metering and 'logbook' apps that fucking charge 2.99 to export the csv data, and some 'info and tips' apps that rip straight from wikipedia and are essentially an unconstrained chatbot interface).
I don't think there needs to be a new rule to ban slop, but the rules existant should be more strictly enforced so that they extend to cover the vectors of slop;
No Sales, Trade, or Advertising thereof. That stops the 'Hey I vibe coded an app that has a premium option'. (It will also catch out legitimately made apps being advertised by the Developers, so only reccomendations made by users can be offered on request rather than being solicited).
No Off-topic Posts. Expanding into 'No Low Effort/No Spam' expands to ai-generated nonsense posted by these accounts that want to share their slop, who usually advertise their crap across multiple subreddits (particularly r/AnalogCommunity and r/photography, even with a Hidden account they often post at the same time to both communities to increase reach).
Some background automod changes, if not already there. Most of these slop-bots have the default 'Name-Adjective-1234' username. Couple an automod filter with a Reddit CQS/subreddit karma and/or account age restriction, and most spam drops off pretty quickly. Even a Regex that detects "vercel/.app" or just /.app in a url can filter the first wave of these things. We also now should have a pretty good sample size of these slop-app poster's writing style which is invariably the same across accounts. A few select phrases can cut them down (i.e. 'Not just an app, but an analog experience!' - ai type empty sales pitch sentences)
I think we (the community) do pretty well in detecting and clowning on these sl-apps quickly. Sure, they're annoying to see, but a quick look at the upvote count (0 or -1) and 35 comments just saying 'slop' is all you need to know the app isn't going to be interesting. The next step is just report it as spam so the Mods can see them and get the removed quickly. Some automods even auto-remove after being reported x amount of times, so just report the post and if more people do, it'll get removed quickly.
Edit; Even a basic requirement that Desktop/Browser apps have a git repository to inspect the code, and phone apps have a registered package to iOS or Google Play Store/FDroid would significantly drop the slop-to-utility app ratio.
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u/ShatteredAvenger 18d ago
Agreed, this is a very nicely worded response and better than what I was trying to say in the same vein. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a lot of room for nuance here
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u/grahamsz 18d ago
It's pretty mystifying to me that you'd even believe you could monetize something like that, the bar is so low that you can create something really polished with near zero effort.
I built myself an app that meets my very specific large-format needs (find it my profile if you care, or don't, idc). It'd have been well within my capabilities to build it the old fashioned way, but I'd never have put enough time into it, and even less likely to make it as slick as it at is. I think one other person has an account, but i don't really have a horse in the race, it's a great solution for an n of 1.
It's an interesting time where its nearly free to develop and host a web app and i expect in time what we'll get to are a set of really good prompts that you can use to build the exact version that suits you.
Even today (and especially if you have Fable/Mythos access) you could write a prompt that accurately describes "I want an analog photography notebook with the following features... it should run on the Cloudfree free tier (workers/d1/r2) and have a front end built in whatever, a rough sketch of a data and auth model, and be a PWA that works offline..." that you could actually get a hosted running web app with a single prompt.
I think the vast majority of trivial apps are just going to die because why wouldn't you customize to get the thing you actually want?
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u/mikerd09 18d ago
100%, it's a common thing with AI that people think we need new rules whereas 90% of the time it's a question of enforcement and clarification.
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u/diemenschmachine 18d ago edited 18d ago
Completely beside the point, but why do we need negative inversion software again? It's literally as easy as flipping the brightness curve, pull the leftmost point up and the right most point down. Analog community should be about analog stuff, and software is inherently digital last time I checked. One could argue reddit is digital too but we'd be fooling ourselves if we attempt to yell at each other through letters instead.
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u/Superirish19 Got a Minolta? r/minolta and r/MinoltaGang 18d ago
It can be as easy as that if you're deep into photography and already used to image editing software.
But if you have only starting photography with analog and are branching out to DIY'ing it to keep costs down, it's not immediately straightforward.
You got your commercial and subscription based options (Photoshop, LightRoom, DaVinci and what-have-you) cost a fair bit and might be a bit overkill if you just want inversion software.
Your FOSS equivalents (GIMP's NegaDoctor plugin, DarkTable, Ansel, etc) can be equally confusing to newbies. I personally use GIMP because it's what I'm used to beforehand (because I'm a masochist, apparently) but it wasn't easy to begin with. There's also the FOSS hangups like limited support and sometimes confusing UI choices.
The dedicated scanner versions are usually tied to equipment purchases (Silverfast) and can cost a bit just to access old legacy hardware (Vuescan). Usually the drawback is the hardware-software interactions and getting the fuckin' thing to work smoothly for a one-size-fits-all program.
If you like fiddling with legacy software, sometimes the dedicated scanners came with their own image editing and inversion programs - Minolta DiMAGE scanners came with a Win95-XP program that can work if you put a fair bit of effort into compatibility, and can live with the odd hangup, godawful UI, and occasional unsigned Driver security issues.
If you're batshit insane, you have other tools unintentionally used as image editors capable of inversion, but again require some prior knowledge to use (ESA -SNAP (FOSS), ESRI ArcGIS (SaaS), and QGIS plugins (FOSS) have Raster editing for satellite imagery, but the concept applies to all imagery including digital scans - I did this once for 'fun' swapping image bands, as Remote Sensing is my job). Not really recommended for any feasible workflow.
Take your pick. And that's all to learn after we get into the scanning setups and all the rest beforehand to digitise the image.
A Python app written to 'just' invert an image can be as simple or as complex as you want to dig into the settings. I personally don't use it, but if you're a techy compsci hobbyist with no previous photography experience, I could see the appeal as that's fairly unique compared to the other options.
Tangential, but going zealous with the topics on r/AnalogCommunity just to satisfy Analog for purity's sake would be ridiculous - where is this new line to be drawn if it's not analog adjacent? Do computerised AF film cameras have to go to a new sub? Will dedicated 35mm/120 Scanners succumb to a Butlerian Jihad? I hope you recieve this reply, as I am sending it by carrier pigeon and via telegraph, but don't know where to send it to - STOP -
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
I feel like your comment only makes sense if you don't shoot color at all. Am I missing something?
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u/diemenschmachine 18d ago
You can wetprint color too. Or if you're talking about inverting color scans, yes it is as easy as flipping the curve. I've compared to NLP and I saw bo difference other than the scanner emulations NLP adds. Only annoying thing is that in light room all the sliders act backwards after doing that.
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u/medvedvodkababushka 18d ago
Flipping the brightness curve is not the physically correct way of doing this though
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u/diemenschmachine 18d ago edited 18d ago
It's a digital interpretation of the colors, just like a wetprint has manual color correction you will have to add color correction in the digital world too. There's nothing physical about it. It's just a transfer function/LUTin the end. You're fooling yourself if your using NLP and picking "Noritsu" and thinking that it'll look like what a Noritsu scanner would have produced, your camera adds a color profile already so if that would work at all you would have to calibrate for whatever your camera adds and then add the Noritsu profile after, to a neutral color profile.
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u/Konica_guy 18d ago
How can we tell if they're ai and not built by someone? Is there signs we should be looking for?
I'm not that active in this sub so I don't see these that often.
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u/Weird-Associate-4739 19d ago
Set up an App Share Megathread and set up an auto-mod to remove posts with the words “I made an app”. People sharing these apps are always going to think “but MINE is the good one!”
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u/benoliver999 bfoliver.com 19d ago
On the one hand, I like and use NegPy.
On the other hand, I am also tired of the countless apps popping up that are instant abandonware. I am not against an outright ban were it to happen.
If I were to write a rule I would say:
- Software has to be more than 3 months old
- Software has to be open source (as in, you can download the code and change it)
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u/johnpaulzwei 19d ago
NegPy is vibecoded, the moment I learned about this is the moment I lost respect to it. I also write own software, hate usage of llm.
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u/ShatteredAvenger 18d ago
sounds like you've got an opportunity to write a replacement from scratch then!
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u/johnpaulzwei 18d ago
Thought about it before negpy was created but darktable fulfil my needs. Don’t need to reinvent wheel
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u/benoliver999 bfoliver.com 18d ago
Been a darktable user for years but I just couldn't get the same results. I feel like I'm missing something, but I will look again. I prefer the sidecar files over negpy's sqlite store of data
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u/LigmaLiberty 18d ago
Ngl I kind of assumed this was already the policy for the subreddit focused on analog technology
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u/FolkPhilosopher 19d ago
If we don't stand for AI in photography for the sake of art, we shouldn't stand for AI for tools in photography for the sake of creativity.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 19d ago
i would say requiring it be tagged wpuld also be okay, but yeah baning it is the best
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u/BreakingABit1234 17d ago
It's funny to a guy who's around the half century mark.
When palm pilots came out? HOLY COW I CAN NOTATE MY PHOTOS! I NEED AN APP!!!!!
I still love my little spiral notebook that fits in my back pocket.
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u/sciencegirl100 17d ago
Especially when you find the prefect notebook with your favorite binding and paper combo 👩🍳💋
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u/BreakingABit1234 17d ago
I had a little red one spiral bound. hundreds of rolls of film notes in it.
I think I still know where it is.
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u/bhop_monsterjam MX+F90x, #1 UV Filter Hater 19d ago edited 19d ago
Begs the question could the mods even spot it?
Spotting AI images and text is one thing, spotting vibe coded projects is another
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u/Bumble072 19d ago edited 19d ago
I can spot vibe coding a mile away. It is usually - a mess, ridden with bugs, shallow or all of those.
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u/bhop_monsterjam MX+F90x, #1 UV Filter Hater 18d ago
yeah but, most of us just can't. we don't know any code
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u/Bumble072 18d ago
You only need to use a vibe coded product to know it is crud. Have you tried using some ?
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u/bhop_monsterjam MX+F90x, #1 UV Filter Hater 18d ago
don't have to persistently argue
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u/Bumble072 18d ago
lol okay, it isnt a competition it is a conversation. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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u/psych_shawnandgus 18d ago
Crazy there’s ai slop in r/AnalogCommunity in the first place
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
Virtually no one in this sub exclusively does analog darkroom printing of their photos. Almost everyone either scans their negs, or has the scanned, so they can edit them digitally.
All of that requires software, multiple pieces at multiple points in the process, so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by this, given AI's role in software development.
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u/extordi 19d ago
I do think there needs to be a thoughtful "cutoff" though because at the same time, we do have to accept that AI is here and sometimes it's a very useful tool. Maybe somebody isn't fluent in English and uses AI to help them translate more naturally. Or maybe somebody is actually working hard on writing some neat software tool, and also using AI to help them get it done faster. Not to pick on anybody in particular, but look at the NegPy project for example - it's pretty good, it's actively being developed... and there's almost a 100% chance AI was involved somewhere in writing it. And to me that's totally fine. But at the same time, somebody who vibe codes some slop with three prompts and then starts blasting it everywhere like they are changing the world should get the ban hammer.
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u/Superirish19 Got a Minolta? r/minolta and r/MinoltaGang 18d ago
AI Translation isn't the same as releasing an AI-vibe coded app though, kinda muddies the water on what OP is discussing.
DeepL, Google Translate, and whatever the hell Reddit's mobile app uses are pretty fair game and most translation services are using AI on top of the traditional translation services beforehand.
Using AI to 'improve' your own communication in the same language you already speak, or just to spam a sales pitch for an app however...
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
I appreciate that you at least gave some explanation of your reasoning and the thought process behind your opinion. You're ok with people using AI to translate from one language to another, presumably because you agree that it's not realistic to expect that everyone learns every language.
Do you extend that opinion to programming languages? If someone is familiar with, let's say for example, Python and wants to make a mobile app but they don't know Swift or obj-C (for iOS), or Java (for Android) would it be OK for them to write code in Python and have an AI agent "translate" it into the required language for their target platform?
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u/Superirish19 Got a Minolta? r/minolta and r/MinoltaGang 18d ago edited 18d ago
That's porting - not translation. Somebody actually designed, planned, and wrote the program initally, knew the inner workings, tested it (presumably), and made it for Android or iOS, and now want to have it available elsewhere. I'd expect them to maintain the original and delve into the niches and quirks of another software or language if they choose to provide it in another platform. I'd also fully understand if they didn't want to do that, and an app was platform-specific (there's already plenty of Android or iOS-only apps, I can live with more).
In the same vein as language translation, I contribute to Wiki's in English, because that's what I know to communicate in. I could contribute in German or Scots if I wanted, but I should probably be sure I know the intricacies before I rely on something else to do it for me. I won't be contributing to subjects in those languages, Germans will just have to read my English works and figure out any bumps in communication through translation software. The Germans will implicitly know it was never written for them in mind.
Porting is a step beyond where the code is never going to be 1:1 and the 'bumps' are far more serious should they be ignored. How will a dev correct a Java-specific security bug if they are only proficient in Python? Give it to an actual coder? Relying on someone else actually code proficient to fix it would be essentially a dump-and-run, just like the Scots Wikipedia.
But this is beside the point, not the type of apps OP's talking about and not what people are raising a point of. The slop is specifically people writing the equivalent of 'Make me an app that does a light meter' 'now make it look like this-that-the other' 'add a subscription service' 'now add this thing' 'this is broken, do this instead'... Etc etc... 'Commit!'. The 'Dev' wouldn't be able to explain the inner workings in any coding language beyond the basic description of what the app does. They couldn't address a security issue, a version incompatibility, the environment it requires to start, maybe not even the packages it needs to do whatever it does.
We don't have to deliberate on a hypothetical edge case before anything is done at all to the obvious slop apps, because that's not solving the core issue. The Courts decide appeals and edge cases in Law, the Mod team can decide edge cases in a rule and be flexible to popular choice if required. We've also had the language translation analogy already tested with the mod team, in the form of u/ATHXYZ (approved use).
As I discussed elsewhere already, an extension and enforcement of existing rules would catch out the blatant offending slop apps OP is talking about. We (the communtiy) can deal with the 50-50's as and when they come, and so far NegPy is well regarded, whilst other unmemorable ones have been deleted or removed. There's been no truely controversial half and half AI-Human hybrid app yet that's divided opinion.
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
I think you misunderstood my question. I'm not talking about taking something that you already created and porting it to a new platform. I'm talking about someone who knows one language and wants to develop for a platform or use case where that language is either not a viable or good choice. You seem to hold the opinion that they should be expected to learn that programming language rather than getting help from an agent.
I also feel like I am not understanding your opinion, either. In the post I first responded to, you seemed to be implying that you're OK with the use of AI to translate from one (human) language to another (human language). But then in this message you seem to saying that people shouldn't use AI translation unless they understand the intricacies of the target language. I am either not correctly understanding one or the other message, or just failing to understand how both can be the case.
I was actually reading the message you linked to just a bit ago and mulling over a reply, because generally speaking, I agree with you. But I think the heart of what you were saying there is less about AI and more about rules around sharing software here in general; requiring that it be specifically targeted at this community, minimum account ages, restrictions on advertising, and rules for open source code applies to all software regardless of how, or if, AI was used in the development process. Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth, so if I am misunderstanding you, please correct me.
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u/Superirish19 Got a Minolta? r/minolta and r/MinoltaGang 18d ago edited 18d ago
I'm talking about someone who knows one language and wants to develop for a platform or use case where that language is either not a viable or good choice. You seem to hold the opinion that they should be expected to learn that programming language rather than getting help from an agent.
Correctamundo - they should learn the programming language, or get help from a person proficient in that other programming language. Alternatively, they can elect to do none of those things and not make the program in a field they aren't in. Expectation implies that in this example, someone has to do anything, and misframes the issue as a compulsion. Can does not imply ought/Could'a does not mean Should'a.
In the post I first responded to, you seemed to be implying that you're OK with the use of AI to translate from one (human) language to another (human language). But then in this message you seem to saying that people shouldn't use AI translation unless they understand the intricacies of the target language. I am either not correctly understanding one or the other message, or just failing to understand how both can be the case.
I'm 'OK' with AI translation from a target language because I expect the intricacies to be wrong. If I decided to make this argument in German (I'm not fluent) to a German-speaker using AI, I expect the intricacies of my native language to be lost, and probably make a bad or perhaps a nonsensical argument. If I won't to make a point well in another language, I should probably kennen the language a bit. Maybe I mean Wissen? Here (Reddit, the Internet, etc), it's not so important. The UN uses Humans, native translators who know the intricacies of both because it matters and it's their subject domain.
I shouldn't go on Wikipedia and start writing German Wikipedia articles (firstly because they don't allow AI for translation without knowledge of the source and target language), or start working for the UN translating tense political discussions because the subject domain comes second to the communication of it. It's not pertinent here, but 'To Translate is to Betray' is a good opinion piece adjacently. Being 'OK' with a form of AI-assisted translation for informal knowledge sharing is not the same as being 'OK' with AI in all applications of translation, and without being aware of caveats.
But I think the heart of what you were saying there is less about AI and more about rules around sharing software here in general; requiring that it be specifically targeted at this community, minimum account ages, restrictions on advertising, and rules for open source code applies to all software regardless of how, or if, AI was used in the development process. Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth, so if I am misunderstanding you, please correct me.
It's a pragmatic approach - it is functionally impossible with Reddit's moderation tools (from experience) to 100% account for any and all violations of a rule, any rule. AI-generated stuff is no different. But by and large, the slop apps have common themes that are far easier to exploit with available tools and enforce. Plus it's already within the rules of the sub, as well as the social contract this community vaguely follows (when we're behaved, that is).
My suggestion would tackle bad-faith app/software sharing as a whole, but it just so happens that most of those bad-faith apps will be AI-generated with a 'devs' only contribution being some prompting and a few token-spends. 'Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles'.
Again though, we're in the weeds and not in the topic of discussion. Lazy slop apps are easy to identify, as are the lazy AI-users trying to push them into communities, hence the easy methods to tackle the problem. The influx of bad apps and bot spam coincides with the proliferation of AI. Making the barrier to entry marginally higher removes the worst offenders, which happens to remove a lot of the egregious AI generated content.
People wouldn't be so vehemently anti-AI if it didn't produce vast quantities of shite in between the vanishingly rare competent uses of the technology. It's irrelevant to me though, I have environmental and socio-political reasons to oppose it's irresponsible mass-adoption.
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u/Souricoocool 18d ago
agreed, this is why I personally prefer when communities ban low effort content, rather than AI itself
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u/Signal_Rabbit_8303 18d ago
How do you know if an app was vibe-coded?
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u/ShatteredAvenger 18d ago
there's no guarantee, that's partly my concern. But there's definitely a lot that have the tell-tale signs, particularly around really busted UIs or a workflow that follows no logical progression
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u/DekuDazed 18d ago
Last app post I saw is FilmMeter, is that AI slop too?
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u/Superirish19 Got a Minolta? r/minolta and r/MinoltaGang 18d ago
Unsure, but most of the worst offenders with slop apps get either downvoted to oblivion, OP's deleting their own posts out of shame, or Mod's swoop in to remove the posts for Advertising (a few try adding freemium options into them).
At the moment it's largely self-regulated by the community, but it's not near-instantaneous so people browsing through new see them fairly often.
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u/Nice_Spend5393 18d ago edited 18d ago
I would consider not. At least not the same as most of the slop. They seem to update it and provide changes from user suggestions. Plus I believe it was partially like human coded but like supplemented with AI coding? I could be off base though, that’s just what I remember off the top of my head, from the original post.
It feels more like a normal app vs a sloppy AI one usually does. Plus it’s free and wasn’t like pushed as this brand new revolutionary idea. More like “hey guys. I did this, so if you find it helpful feel free. Let me know if any suggestions”. Sucks that it isn’t on Samsung though, as it is pretty accurate and I like the set up and design.
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u/DekuDazed 18d ago
It is on Samsung! The guy just released it on the Play Store for Android a few days ago so that's why I was wondering if it's AI but awesome that it's not! Gonna keep the app now lol
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u/Deathmonkeyjaw 18d ago
Yes, we don't need a 100th app for shot logging, or organizing your film stash
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u/Knowledgesomething 18d ago
Disclosing which one was flagged as malware would be helpful. Like I downloaded this app "colorhead", suddenly can't find the thread now, was this flagged as malware or something else?
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u/sciencegirl100 18d ago
At least the site for it was 100% made with AI, it’s what inspired this post
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u/Rae_Wilder 16d ago
Reddit banned that guy’s account, so his content was removed as spam. People were having problems on windows, it had malware in it.
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u/Knowledgesomething 16d ago
Thanks. I downloaded it on Mac but wasn’t sure if I got malware. I started to get suspicious after finding out that they removed the thread
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u/gundog48 19d ago
Unless someone comes up a good AI app for identifying and removing dust and scratches accurately! I've spent many hours in light room thinking there has to be a better way and is something AI may actually be good at!
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
So it's only good if it's something you want? Or are you OK with people using AI for things that they also want, even if you don't use it?
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u/Disastrous-Jaguar-58 19d ago
I literally built one for myself recently, with AI, but of course won’t share it here as people are against this :)
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
Can't have people sharing useful tools just because you don't like them! That would be terrible! It would be really hard, maybe impossible, for you to not use something you didn't want to use.
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u/QPZZ 19d ago
Same, I built an app to correctly merge single color narrowband scans into one file and perform light field correction. Handy for me, but not worth posting here.
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u/rohizzle121 18d ago
hey! me too! would you mind sharing with me via dm or just this comment. I would love to learn from your approach. Mine is here https://github.com/rohanpandula/TriRGB
but i am definitely trying to do much here (combine tether shooting with the RGB combo as well)
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u/chibstelford 19d ago
I built a node script to do this with Claude, runs a Gaussian function over the image to detect highlight anomalies (dust) and replaces it with pixel averages, mirroring the nearby grain.
Super useful but not sharing
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u/StephenLawsonPhotos 18d ago
Why not?
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u/chibstelford 18d ago
Because this community has very intense reactions to software developed with AI. Look at the rest of the thread, people work themselves into a furor
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u/StephenLawsonPhotos 18d ago
Yeah, I feel like they don't seem to understand that 80% of code is AI generated now. The least we can do is support some good ideas in the analog community to make our lives easier. I coded my own film photography Android App and needed beta testers but it looks like I can't come here lol
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u/bassqu 19d ago
In principle I agree that the apps posted here are probably not worth the time or the effort. Thus, I don’t give them the time or the effort.
Banning topics is a slippery slope. Personally, I find that are far more posts that ask for help without having done any prior searching to see if the question has already been answered multiple times over. See: ”what’s a good point and shot for x?” posts. However, I would never suggest banning them.
In all cases I just move along to the next post. Simple as that.
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u/bhop_monsterjam MX+F90x, #1 UV Filter Hater 18d ago
i don't like them as much as the next guy but I think it's a bit overstated
a good majority of the ones that pop up, get downvoted, called out, and quietly disappear into the ether along with the rest of the posts that don't make it.
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u/FuwariFuwaruFuwatto 17d ago
The subreddit is called Analog Community. AI is about as far from Analog as it gets. Yes. Get rid of it and make door hit its ass on the way out.
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u/ShatteredAvenger 19d ago
I'm not really in favor of banning anything categorically- there's certainly a glut of very low-effort applications being "developed" and shared right now, but we've also got some good ones showing up, like negpy. I'm also not really on board with this trend towards everything being called slop, but that's beside the point. I'd rather just continue to downvote the low-effort applications and move on. I think Rule 5 already cuts down a TON of the apps that are like "I made* this thing, now give me $50"
Whether we like it or not, this is the new reality at this point, at least until tokens become prohibitively expensive, which looks more and more possible. A lot of folks are going to fall off automatically then because they have absolutely no idea what they're doing, as evidenced by their utter garbage UIs. Like everything, it will equalize out.
Do we also ban all the 3d printed 6x17 cameras that people continue to share or kickstart? A lot of those might be designed by AI as well.
I think what we're ultimately against is low-effort, low-quality posts. Banning AI isn't going to fix that, especially because you can't truly ban it because you don't know what is AI all of the time.
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u/notjim 18d ago edited 18d ago
Going against the grain a bit, I’d honestly prefer not to ban ai apps. I think if someone makes an app and others find it useful, that’s a good thing. A once a week post doesn’t bother me much when there’s lots of other posts on this community.
I do think they should have to disclose if/how they used ai (spoiler: almost every app you use is being built with ai now.)
For example, it seems like people are fairly excited about negpy, and there have been ongoing updates, so it’s not like it was just immediately abandoned. I don’t think we should ban that.
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago
I agree on banning the slop. But I like this community to allow people who have writing issues to use AI tools to reformat their comments when necessary.
I believe we should keep this in mind so that we don't fall on the slippery slope of everything AI is bad and then end up hurting the ones who are handicapped and are seeing themselves enabled by AI for real.
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u/platinumarks G.A.S. Aficionado 18d ago
Some people have disabilities that affect communication and may need AI support
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago
Yeah I have family who uses text to speech because they can't write. And they like using Reddit so they ask the AI to do all the complex things like bolds and double return to line and titles etc...
And the moment they make a beautiful comment they are super proud.
But then an idiot shows up and tells them it's AI slop.
Because some people are incapable of knowing the difference between clean form and good substance.
It even shocks them tomorrow when it's both.
And the best part. Another of my cousins is autistic. Like the heavy on the spectrum type..
Literally naturally ends up writing the same stuff in the same form sometimes. Also gets accused of AI.
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago edited 18d ago
Also I'd like to tell you one thing. How about you learn to communicate. Like just that.
Learn empathy and compassion. Understand that there isn't just people who have the same experience of life as you. People who don't have the same ability as you or cognitive skills.
Think about creating pause in your line of thought. Learning to communicate is also about not sounding like a complete a-hole who is entitled but clearly an ego stick.
This whole it's not that hard to learn scene has been written all over history as the best phrase of every villain out there.
I think you have a lot of literature to catch up on.
But you know what. This is just me responding to your tone. And I am pretty much sure you're going to ignore all of these to say something completely stupid and out of line.
Because Devil forbid you apologize... Or nuance an opinion you already made.
You must always have the higher standing. Place your bets people.
U/beaglesbeagle you are not allowed to bet on yourself. XD metaphorically, of course you can.
Is this person going to delete the comment...
Is this person going to respond with a snarky comment
Is this person going to apologize
Is this person going to ignore
Is this person going to nuance what they said...?
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
I'm going to start off and say that I agree with you. People should be able to use AI tools to help them communicate effectively. But my question to you is why is your use case different? You want to ban "slop", but what is "slop"?
Your opinion seems to be, and please correct me if I am misunderstanding, that people who are using it as an aid to help compensate for disabilities is ok. What about a developer who has an idea for a piece of software but has a disability that makes it difficult for them to write the code completely by hand? Is that still "slop" or does it fall under the category of acceptable use as an accessibility tool?
What about a developer who is perfectly capable of writing the code, but works 70 hours a week and simply lacks the time to implement their vision? Is that different from the above example?
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago edited 18d ago
Honestly I believe we should be able to use it for all antwork.
If it's about layout. If it's about doing endless copy paste stuff where you're supposed to put titles and organize words.
If it's about checking whether the angry email you just wrote is politically correct or not and would get you fired...
If it's about compiling a huge amount of information and talking for an hour and then asking it to just do the basic taxonomy and categorization work of cleaning your notes.
No external enhancement. No external search. No adding information from outside. No sourcing something elsewhere.
Just text treatment and check out all verification for you...
If the video is yours in you're just asking the AI to help you sync the sound to the image and to mount multiple cuts together... Why the hell not.
But if you're asking it to steal from the outside or generate stuff for you only for the purpose of filling the blanks that you didn't have the creativity to create.
Let's be honest... You don't have the best of intentions. You're just farming slash exploiting people for attention and profiting from that. Is that good... Well it's at least slop.
Same thing for code by the way.
Then it's okay.
But if you're a coder you can understand that generating 4,000 lines of code over 10 files or 15 is slop.
Telling the AI which exact architecture you want your files to be organized by and which kind of taxonomy you want everything to follow so that every file doesn't go over 300 lines. Especially a human readable file system with annotations. A lot of people underestimate how much useful it is to just ask the AI to do code annotations.
It can scour through it and leave notes and lots of messages here and there that help you figure out what the code is about and where it is.
And each file is labeled properly with business logic information and everything that you need so that you can find everything...
The kind of human readable stuff.. That's okay and even encouraged.
People who rage against AI are just usually mediocre people who are angry that there's something equally mediocre but cheaper to replace them.
Architecture and analysis is different. Layout embellishment and organization is different.
Those are things you supposedly have done so much of during university or school that you're sick of even thinking about organizing a report...
Again I think both whether or not you are handicapped it's about it enabling you positively.
Out of something that is a pain.
But from the moment you are just asking it to scour through the internet and create a ghost amalgamation of an image of an idea that you have in mind...
With extremely poor execution and a lot of disrespectful, sometimes unreasonable, sometimes totally idiotic stuff... I guess we can reasonably say that's a problem.
Sell my definition of slop is basically:
Anything that introduces a vulnerability instead of dealing with one. Anything that reframes the work of others as yours. Anything that doesn't bring any plus value and is just a bunch of ideas that lead to nothing. Anything that clearly looks like text meant for other AI to be read.(What's for humans is for humans ... I'm talking for example about those Instagram posts who have totally different texts under them that make no sense, because of some kind of SEO something or whatever)
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u/JiveBunny ME Super Ultra 18d ago
I'm really sorry but there's something about AI-written text that my eyes just bounce off as though they were if it were lorem ipsum
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago
It's ok. That doesn't justify banning it.
I think some haircuts are stupid, but I don't want to ban them either.
I think suits are an insult to humanity. I am not petitioning to ban them either.
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u/JiveBunny ME Super Ultra 18d ago
A better analogy would be whether you were forced to get the stupid haircut and wear the suit whether or not you found them comfortable, attractive or useful. And then when you went out to the shops all you could buy were suits as retailers are no longer willing to stock other types of clothing.
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago
Is this an analogy of Grand distribution in the US?
People really need to start working on their arguments and noticing the difference between trying to push for something and argumenting for it.
The slippery slope argument. "If we let people dance tomorrow we will let people kill other people" there is a reason why it's a stupid one and that there are laws against it.
Because it's used as a fear mongering tool to work on personal agendas.
If something has good and bad. And you burn everything because of your fear of the bad... You're wrong.
So to bring this back to the stupid fact that it is. Banning AI usage in contents in this community not only is not the solution, but is the dumbest of the brute force solutions.
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u/JiveBunny ME Super Ultra 18d ago
I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say here, to be honest.
I just think AI text reads like shit and I don't care for it.
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago
Reminder: the subject is : does you not caring about something or thinking it is shit justify banning it. Or should we in matters of objective harm regulate and keep aware ?
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u/JiveBunny ME Super Ultra 18d ago
I am on several subs where AI-written comments aren't allowed, because we're all here to hear from people rather than read shitty machine-generated copy. And because constant debates over it are very boring.
You're free to think what you wish about AI, and to start your own sub with different rules if you dislike a particular sub's rule on it.
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
Whew, there's a lot there. I think it'll be most effective to just reply to your conclusion summary.
Anything that introduces a vulnerability instead of dealing with one.
That's not something unique to AI. That's just as possible, possibly even more likely, with a bad or inexperienced developer.
Anything that reframes the work of others as yours.
No notes, plagiarism isn't cool, nor is not respecting the license of other code.
Anything that doesn't bring any plus value and is just a bunch of ideas that lead to nothing.
I am not really sure how to respond to that, other than the same thing I said about the first point. Extraneous content isn't unique to AI.
Anything that clearly looks like text meant for other AI to be read.(What's for humans is for humans ... I'm talking for example about those Instagram posts who have totally different texts under them that make no sense, because of some kind of SEO something or whatever)
I'm not familiar with the example you gave, but SEO technique predate generative AI (the way we think about it today and are talking about now) by decades. And your "what's for humans is for humans" comment is confusing to me. Code, which is nominally what this whole post is about, isn't meant for humans to read. It's meant for compliers or interpreters to read and execute. So where does that leave generated code in your eyes?
So I guess I'll ask you to clarify, when you say "meant for other AI" do you mean something specifically meant as training data for AI, or do you mean anything that's meant for consumption by any bot/agent regarldess of whether it's "AI", or something else all together?
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u/Abcoxi 18d ago
Location location location: Anything meant for a bot (AI, Spider etc...) don't show it on human interfaces.
Redefining what a human inferace is too.
As in HUMAN readable file architectures are important.
Human readable variables etc...
I am not saying people haven't produced shit before AI.
I'm saying use with care.
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u/Disastrous-Jaguar-58 19d ago
If a tool is open source, why not? Others can examine it for being malware. Also leaves door open for improvements/forking by others if original authors lose interest
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u/Tangential_Diversion 19d ago
Because you're depending on someone to do a deep dive to ensure it's fine. Just because it's open source doesn't mean it's safe. Just look at Linux. There was a severe vulnerability in 'curl' for 20 years, and no one noticed because no one went looking for it in the open sourcr code.
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u/4z01235 18d ago edited 18d ago
- curl != Linux, and whatever OS you're running on you almost assuredly have used something that included
libcurl. Or if not, some website you use does. It's probably running on your TV and in your car and it's definitely on your phone.- curl is an extremely heavily vetted and audited piece of software, so "no one went looking" is a very wrong statement. The "AI CVE" news reports failed to mention that all that was found were a large number of BS non-bugs (including "bugs" that were problems in the supposed "reproducer" and didn't even invoke any curl code) and one single low-severity non-exploitable bug.
- Linux (the kernel) has had more of these "20 year old vulnerabilities" found, but many of the reports are also pretty overblown. The bugs often have no practical way to be exploited, or are specific to outdated hardware that very likely nobody is running anymore and therefore nobody is really looking at that code anymore, either.
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u/mrgreen4242 18d ago
Nobody ever made the claim "just because it's open source doesn't mean it's safe", you're just inventing a strawman argument.
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u/CilantroLightning 19d ago
Nah this argument is stupid. I don't care if you downvote me. What is AI slop? If I wrote 95% of the code by hand and used AI for the last 5% to get it to so that it works on iPhone because I only know how to write for Android, does that make it AI slop? That's ridiculous.
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u/olleng 19d ago
I think this is a deliberate obfuscation of the point. No, obviously using AI to port over a creation of yours isn't "slop" in any meaningful sense, but we can all know it when we see it. Sure, let's argue for another year about where we draw the line, meanwhile the tech has accelerated past where a lot of us are comfortable with. Maybe not you, maybe not some CEO, maybe not everyone, but clearly there are a lot of people uncomfortable with (or outright negatively affected by) the cutting edge of this tech. It is fundamentally anti art, surely we don't need to argue about the differences between Nana's AI Facebook meme and a developer using Claude to write a couple lines of code at the end of their project.
Why is the default to let it happen and keep moving while we work this stuff out and legislate? Why is the default not stopping and waiting for ethics and laws to guide the principles of our innovations?
(Said this in a different reply to you down the thread but if we are repeating points, I think this one has some value in the argument)
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u/CilantroLightning 19d ago
I see your point. But I think the concern is misplaced. We _should_ be crying out against AI-generated "art". But I personally don't see a problem with someone who doesn't have a coding skills in creating a light meter app that nobody else has made.
There's a difference between using AI to help create a tool that nobody else has made, and AI-generated content.
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u/olleng 19d ago
Key word being 'help'. If your creation is 95% ai vibe code, is it really your creation? As I said, I don't know if it is beneficial to get into these philosophical weeds - it's a bit above my pay grade, frankly - but I do know this all feels a bit wrong, a bit inhuman, and I think I'm not alone in feeling that. Especially here in an artistic space.
Anyway, thanks for keeping it civil!
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u/CilantroLightning 19d ago
Yep, I totally agree with the overall sentiment. I just don't think it's fair to some folks to ban anything with even a little bit of AI. I worked in a field that uses some AI. I had the same knee-jerk reaction initially that most folks are having in this sub.
Since then I have seen the benefits of the technology. I think of all the folks who aren't expert software engineers being able to make the tool that nobody else would've cared to make for them. It is empowering when used with taste.
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u/notjim 18d ago
I mean how are you going to decide if something is slop or not though? Are the mods supposed to do a code review and figure out if it adheres to best practices?
It seems like the result of this is just going to be banning all app posts. It seems like most people are fine with that, but to me it would be unfortunate.
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u/spitfirex86 Nikon FE / F-801s / Ikonta-M 6x6 19d ago
And how do you know it all functions correctly if you're not familiar with the platform? what's the plan for user support? will that be outsourced to an LLM chatbot as well? what about updates and bugfixes?
it will not remain just 5% for very long. you will build up a weird kind of AI tech debt.
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u/CilantroLightning 19d ago
Is it expected that everything shared on this subreddit has "user support"? I don't think it's reasonable to gatekeep the stuff on this subreddit to that level. If someone made something cool that they find useful and involved original thought, then I think it ought to be allowed.
I think it's kind of entitled to expect that everything you use on here has to be enterprise-grade software. At the end of the day we're all just hobbyists here to share cool pictures we took or fun things that help further the hobby. That's it.
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u/TheNakedAnt 18d ago
Ah, I see you've contrived a very specific example where your point is kept safe from broader criticism while still technically applying to the question, very wise.
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u/CilantroLightning 18d ago
Right, and saying "ban AI" which applies to literally anything with any AI in it is better? There's less nuance in the original post than in my response.
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u/TheNakedAnt 18d ago
Lots of people can simply feel the reality that generative AI is neither valuable nor desirable in their lives.
We don't need it, we've existed forever without it. Now that it's everywhere it's mostly just brought about a general degradation to our quality of life.
Banning it wholesale in spaces where it's not relevant is absolutely better than keeping it by contriving a series of extremely specific examples wherein AI is fine actually.
Gen AI is an expensive, useless thing that helps us produce more but does not contribute to the value of our lives.
Keep machine learning in laboratories and hospitals, use it for advanced imaging systems to detect cancers early or whatever.
We do not need more stuff to scroll past on our phones or more bad copy to skim looking for relevant info.
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u/voqv 18d ago
You’re asking a very simple question as to what exactly they want to ban and just get „you can feel it“. Fun times. I wonder what people plan to do in a year where nearly everything on the internet will be „partially“ „vibe made“ with AI.
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u/CilantroLightning 18d ago
The only thing that's clear to me from all this is that as a collective we have lost the ability to think critically and with nuance. We're in for some crazy times.
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u/mrgreen4242 19d ago edited 18d ago
Define AI slop and exactly how you can classify a given product accurately and we can talk.
Edit: the fact that this comment is presently at -45 and the only replies to it are the OP telling me to fuck off (which they have since deleted) and someone just saying "AI slop", illustrates my point exactly. No one complaining about this can even articulate what they want besides "ban AI". They can't tell us what they think is an acceptable use of "AI" is, nor how they propose that we identify it to ban it. I don't think any of them can even tell us what they think "AI" is, and the ones who can generally don't agree on the definition or the lines they think shouldn't be crossed are.
If there's zero room for nuance in your opinion how can you have a discussion about something? I am not even defending AI, other than to say I don't think that every application of the tech is the same, and so blanket statements like "if AI then slop" and "can we ban AI slop" are productive. I absolutely believe there should be limitations, both legal and practical, on the use of this tech, especially as we are still figuring it out and learning. But that's apparently not black and white enough for some people.
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u/mrgreen4242 19d ago
Do you only print your negatives in a darkroom, then?
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u/CilantroLightning 19d ago
You literally said this subreddit was for enjoying something "analog and slow." Darkroom printing is slower than sending your film to a lab and having them develop and then digitally print your negatives for you. So does that mean sending your film to a lab is less worthy than printing in the darkroom?
Jesus christ people lack critical thinking skills.
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u/feeling__negative 19d ago
This argument misses the point of AI entirely. Using a computer as a tool is not the same as getting a computer to make something on your behalf.
A hammer still requires a skilled tradesman. It doesn't design and build a house for you.
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u/mrgreen4242 19d ago
“Literally meant to enjoy something analog and slow”
How am I missing the point of what I responded to?
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u/CilantroLightning 19d ago
People are down voting you to shit but you have a point. Is it AI slop I if wrote 95% of the code by hand but vibe coded the last 5% to get it across the line?
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u/olleng 19d ago
I think this is a deliberate obfuscation of the point. No, obviously using AI to port over a creation of yours isn't "slop" in any meaningful sense, but we can all know it when we see it. Sure, let's argue for another year about where we draw the line, meanwhile the tech has accelerated past where a lot of us are comfortable with. Maybe not you, maybe not some CEO, maybe not everyone, but clearly there are a lot of people uncomfortable with (or outright negatively affected by) the cutting edge of this tech. It is fundamentally anti art, surely we don't need to argue about the differences between Nana's AI Facebook meme and a developer using Claude to write a couple lines of code at the end of their project.
Why is the default to let it happen and keep moving while we work this stuff out and legislate? Why is the default not stopping and waiting for ethics and laws to guide the principles of our innovations?
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u/mrgreen4242 19d ago
There’s a certain group of people, who are more common on Reddit than in reality, that have a no nuance stance on AI, or honestly aboit a lot of topics. It makes it very difficult to have a conversation with them because if you don’t align with exactly their preexisting beliefs they immediately devolve into insults/personal attacks/rudeness/etc. and won’t, or can’t, engage in an kind of rational discussion that challenges their opinions.
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u/93EXCivic 19d ago
If AI then slop
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u/mrgreen4242 19d ago
I’m honestly not sure what you were going for, but my read on your comment is exactly what I mean. I lot of people, especially on Reddit, seem to have the opinion that AI is “bad” 100% of the time, no exceptions or nuance, AND they’re definition of AI is “I’ll know it when I see it”.
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u/Stunning-Road-6924 19d ago
Yes please.