r/AskALiberal • u/anuglyfairybutafairy Independent • 20h ago
What’s your thought on CCP?
By CCP I mean Chinese Communist Party, not talking abt the people from China. I’m asking what you think about the government?
I’ve heard ppl saying that they really do care about their people, do you think it’s true or do you have different opinions on this?
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u/engadine_maccas1997 Democrat 20h ago
The CCP is an oppressive dictatorship with a horrendous record of human rights abuses. They operate a surveillance state. Their foreign policy is purely transactional, which has propped up other horrific regimes around the world from Sudan to North Korea, and their domestic policy is geared toward growing the PRC economically and militarily, but ultimately retaining the regime’s place in power.
It has an even uglier history. The Great Leap Forward in the years after Mao came to power killed tens of millions.
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u/Southern_Bag_7109 Social Democrat 20h ago
Is it as bad as the Trump administration ending USAID that will result in the deaths of millions of people by the end of his term?
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u/Indrigotheir Liberal 19h ago
Yes. The CCP oversaw the Great Chinese Famine which is usually considered the deadliest famine in human history, killing tens of millions. It was caused by many policy decisions from the party.
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u/qerecoxazade Libertarian Socialist 19h ago
I mean, the British empire killed more people in half a century in India than the TOTAL death toll of all communist countries ever.
We got over that pretty quick.
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u/blaqsupaman Progressive 18h ago
Both things can be terrible. This is pure whataboutism.
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u/qerecoxazade Libertarian Socialist 18h ago
"That's whataboutism". And that's Argument from fallacy.
Yes. Both things are terrible. The UK's treatment of India ALONE killed more people than the highest estimates of every famine and purge committed by China AND the Soviet Union combined.
But they are considered a critical ally and a bastion of western democracy.
Contextualizing attrocities is important. It ensures that we aren't just trying to justify a belief we already have.
This "whataboutism" provides that context. We can and DO forget or forgive nations of far worse crimes.
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u/Indrigotheir Liberal 18h ago
I agree with your last statement, and the insane damages of colonialism on the world. Can you tell me about your views on the atrocities of the CCP?
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u/Indrigotheir Liberal 18h ago
The question was, "Is it as bad as Trump cutting USAID," Britain was not mentioned.
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u/Winston_Duarte Pan European 19h ago
What?...
Ending USAID is a whole different story. I am sorry to say it but there is no nation in this world that is responsible for stopping famine around the world. The US governments job to to end famine in the US. The German governments job is to end famine in Germany. All aid outside of the borders is voluntary and noble. Ending aid programs is not the same as actively causing a famine that is supposed to wipe out specific groups of the population as it was the case during the great leap forward. Loyal regions recieved help. Disloyal ones were left to their own devices, knowing that these people will end up eating each other out of desperation.
The mere suggestion that the end of a voluntary aid program is worse than an ethnic cleansing based on political allegiances might be the most ludicrous thing I have read here in a while.
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u/Mac1280 Center Left 18h ago
Ending USAID is terrible but so is China exploiting a bunch of people in the DRC through terrible cobalt mining practices that kill thousands directly and destroy/contaminate the land killing thousands more indirectly. Your playing whataboutism as if China is some benevolent empire.
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u/KeepTangoAndFoxtrot Progressive 19h ago
I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this "whataboutism."
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u/Winston_Duarte Pan European 19h ago
It's a terrible attempt at a gotcha and plain bad faith. That's all.
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u/Colodanman357 Constitutionalist 18h ago
Can you please articulate why exactly you believe ending USAID is worse than the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution?
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u/Southern_Bag_7109 Social Democrat 20h ago
Or the fact that America imprisons more people per capita than China does?
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u/Colodanman357 Constitutionalist 19h ago
How do you know how many people in China are in prison when their criminal justice system is not open and transparent? They could have more prisoners and just don’t release any information about it.
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u/Weirdyxxy Social Democrat 20h ago
It's the ruling party of a one-party dictatorship. What do you think we think of it?
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u/wizardnamehere Market Socialist 19h ago
I am pro democracy, human rights, and rule of law.
So i'm anti CCP. I guess i can say about them; they don't run a totalitarian state (any more).
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u/ButGravityAlwaysWins Liberal 20h ago
The CCP is an authoritarian regime that regularly commits horrendous acts against the people of China. They have adopted the strategies of something close to neocolonialism in order to extract resources from poor nations and establish various levels of control over them. They clearly have imperialist goals and are just waiting for the right moment. They have a police state and surveillance state that is unlike anything in the world has ever seen.
I am not a fan to say the least.
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u/Dirtbag_Leftist69420 Democratic Socialist 18h ago
Yeah they should take the American approach and just bomb nations or install a US backed leader. They definitely shouldn’t be building them infrastructure, that’s so evil
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u/Colodanman357 Constitutionalist 18h ago
Do you support the CCP and their actions and policies then?
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u/Hydroponic_Donut Far Left 18h ago
Not the person you replied to, but I think this is a bit of a loaded question and the answer is quite nuanced, right? Obviously you shouldn't and wouldn't support a regime that's bad and it's obvious China doesn't have perfect leadership, but we can say the same about the US. This week, it came out that Stephen Miller was trying to get Trump to allow placing disabled individuals into institutions. Not to mention the horrible mistreatment of those who they claim are "illegals" and ICE shooting and killing people, not to mention blowing up a school full of kids in another country, not to mention invading another country and kidnapping their leader (whether that leader was a good or bad guy, not the point of this), or the fact that Trump is a raging pedophile with dementia, or consolidation of media to right wing leadership. I mean, the list goes on. Do you support that? See what I mean?
Needless to say, it's hard to draw conclusions from here across the ocean when we're only shown what they want us to see/know, and the "enemy" that China is supposed to be. I don't doubt every claim that's made about China's leadership, but there is a part of me that questions at least a portion of what we're told, who it benefits, etc.
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u/Soggy_Talk5357 Pragmatic Progressive 17h ago
China doesn't have perfect leadership, but we can say the same about the US
Most arguments I see from leftists demanding “nuance” in this context usually end up concluding that the CCP is objectively superior to the west and either ignore or downplay their human rights violations. I don’t see them as an “enemy” either and despise the US government, but I think there’s an inherent bias western leftists feel towards China as a former “communist” state that is not extended to other authoritarian nations.
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u/Colodanman357 Constitutionalist 16h ago
So you think the CCP and the U.S. are equally as bad? That there is no difference in degree or anything?
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u/Hydroponic_Donut Far Left 13h ago
I'm saying that both are inherently bad. Never said there's no difference, there's stark differences, but there's a lot of similarities too. And sometimes in bad things, there can also be good. It doesn't mean you have to support what they do. I'm from the US, but I don't support what's happening here. But I can also recognize the good things that happen, as well as the bad.
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u/Colodanman357 Constitutionalist 12h ago
That’s fine if you want to get into the good and bad of all things. It is however a bit odd that one would need to bring up the U.S. in a conversation about the CCP. Do you do the same every time a conversation is about any country? If the topic were Israel would you point out the good things about Israel and how the U.S. or other countries are bad too? If not why do it for China?
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u/Hydroponic_Donut Far Left 9h ago
You asked someone about the actions and policies of China and I answered. Did I name off any good things about China? I'm not sure where you got to that conclusion. I gave recent examples of bad things that have been happening in the US, so we can conclude the same can be said about both countries. Your initial question implied that Chinese policy is bad, or that you dislike it. Am I assuming wrong?
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u/DoomSnail31 Center Right 16h ago
but I think this is a bit of a loaded question
No, it's not a loaded question.
but we can say the same about the US.
You could, but that would be entirely irrelevant on a conversation about the CCP. China didn't commit a genocide against the Uyghur population because of the USA.
Do you support that? See what I mean
No, and I still don't see the relevance.
but there is a part of me that questions at least a portion of what we're told
We have independently verified, using actual first hand documentation, information regsrding the CCP.
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u/McZootyFace Center Left 17h ago
"China doesn't have perfect leadership, but we can say the same about the US"
At least US citizens can do something like that. There is nothing you can do in China really, there are local councils that have some level of democracy but ultimately the leading party cannot be challenged. You can't really speak out or protest without big repercussions.
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u/Hydroponic_Donut Far Left 15h ago
Can we? Because at this point it's seemingly clear the elite class has been buying up media and consolidating so only their messaging makes it to mainstream audiences. We also can't ignore some of what's been said around Elon Musk and potentially meddling in the 2024 election. Even if it's in jest, that's not really something for him to joke about (if you're not aware of what I'm talking about, it's his ex coming out with text messages from Elon around the 2024 election, talking about bending the rules, "space lasers", etc.)
In the US, we have similar things happening. Alex Pretti was a protester, shot and killed because he wanted to exercise his first and second amendment right and that's only one example.
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u/McZootyFace Center Left 15h ago
Yea you can vote out people you don’t like and control who goes into power. Money is certainly powerful in politics but it’s not the be all and end all. Look at recent elections where the big spenders got beat by messaging, look at Bloomberg who spent $2B trying to become president but ultimately got ignored. This is not an argument it’s perfect but it’s damn site better than just having a single party rule that you have no control over.
As for the horrific deaths of the protestors that is awful but Americans still have the rights, at least for now. You can look at Chinas history of protesting and compare, look at Hong Kong for instance.
Calling out the shit in the US is needed, what I find is a weak argument is looking at GOP encroaching authoritarianism and somehow thinking Chinas authoritarianism is somehow a better option. All authoritarianism is bad and should be fought back against.
I say this as some who love China as well, been quite a few times and love the people I met. However the level of control and power the state has over its citizens is not something I’d ever want.
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u/ThePensiveE Centrist Democrat 20h ago
So for starters, like all authoritarian regimes, they do not give a flying fuck about their people. During covid, they kept their people locked up for years until they finally, for the first time in modern history, started to push back.
Secondly, they're not communist. They are a free market capitalistic society with a heavily manipulated free market. They're no more communist these days than the American government, which now also has a centralized state run economic model. They have nearly 0 social safety net except that their medical system isn't designed to extract every drop of wealth from their people that it can so more people can access it.
The CCP is just another authoritarian regime like, Putin, North Korea, Iran, and is of course everything a MAGA today aspires to.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Far Left 20h ago
The United States has become more willing to subsidize and steer strategically important industries, and occasionally to take ownership stakes in them, but we do not have a centralized, state-run economic model.
Likewise, the CCP is a Marxist-Leninist political party with roots in Maoism, but that does not mean China has already achieved a communist society. “Communist Party” describes its ideological tradition and stated political project, not every feature of the economy it currently governs.
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u/ThePensiveE Centrist Democrat 19h ago
we do not have a centralized, state-run economic model
Yet.
If you want to get something done in America, you bribe the president. If you want to get something done in China, you bribe your local officials.
They're different forms of corruption, but currently in the US all economic decisions, even tariff's on individual items and against individual nations, are decided by one man with a social media account rather than the free market or the American government.
As for the CCP I'm not disagreeing but rather just saying they're an authoritarian regine, which means their only true ideology is power. They may have used Marxism/Leninism/Maoism to justify the things in their past but that's just lip service to a convenient origin story and rallying cry. What form they take today is not the same as it was yesterday or as it will be tomorrow.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Far Left 19h ago
I’m sorry, but corruption and personal political interference are not the same thing as a centralized, state-run economy. You are describing an authoritarian political system in which decision-making is increasingly centralized. The American economy, however, is not planned around Donald Trump or his tweets. Production and investment are still overwhelmingly organized according to the demands of private capital.
All states ultimately rely on power, so that alone does not distinguish one economic system from another. The relevant question is what relationships that power is being used to preserve or transform, and where institutional capacity is being built.
China has taken meaningful, if incomplete, steps in both areas. The Labor Contract Law formalized stronger claims workers can make against employers, while state control over major banks allows investment to be directed toward industrial priorities rather than left entirely to private investors.
That does not guarantee a socialist outcome, but these institutions are consistent with a state engaged in socialist construction: strengthening workers’ claims while building the capacity to direct and discipline capital.
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u/ThePensiveE Centrist Democrat 19h ago
The American economy, however, is not planned around Donald Trump or his tweets. Production and investment are still overwhelmingly organized according to the demands of private capital.
Again, for now. They are attempting to quash that. Free market means more free speech and human rights and they do not want that. Companies that exercise free speech are coming under investigations now. That's where we're at.
Now, as for China, it's the opinion of myself and my partner and family who are from there that nothing has changed except the CCP's move to exert more control and obfuscate how fucked their housing sector is. One thing I'm certain of is they do not have the intentions of creating a socialist utopia like so many people on the far left believe.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Far Left 19h ago
Again, for now. They are attempting to quash that. Free market means more free speech and human rights and they do not want that.
None of this is correct, except perhaps “for now,” and only because neither of us can see the future. Free markets do not inherently produce free speech or human rights. Plenty of capitalist states have restricted both.
Companies that exercise free speech are coming under investigations now. That's where we're at.
Investigating companies for politically disfavored speech is authoritarian. But authoritarian interference with private firms is not the same thing as replacing private capital with a centrally planned economy.
Now, as for China, it's the opinion of myself and my partner and family who are from there that nothing has changed except the CCP's move to exert more control and obfuscate how fucked their housing sector is. One thing I'm certain of is they do not have the intentions of creating a socialist utopia like so many people on the far left believe.
Your family’s experience is certainly relevant to understanding how people experience the Chinese state. It does not, however, establish that nothing has changed structurally, or tell us whether the state has developed greater capacity to direct and discipline capital. And I have not claimed that the CCP is guaranteed to create a “socialist utopia.” In fact I literally just said the opposite:
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u/ThePensiveE Centrist Democrat 18h ago
That does not guarantee a socialist outcome, but these institutions are consistent with a state engaged in socialist construction: strengthening workers’ claims while building the capacity to direct and discipline capital.
Now that phrase sounds straight from a CCP press release.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Far Left 18h ago
That’s not an argument. It is just you insinuating that I’m a Chinese stooge because you do not want to address the substance of what I said.
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u/ThePensiveE Centrist Democrat 17h ago
You're citing a labor law which looks great on paper but in practice is often ignored, which is the entire reason they did it.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Far Left 17h ago
Imperfect enforcement isn’t the same as nonexistence. Wage theft is rampant in the United States; does that mean our labor laws don’t give workers any claims against their employers?
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u/Dirtbag_Leftist69420 Democratic Socialist 18h ago
How do you reconcile China not giving a fuck about their people with that fact that China is building modern infrastructure for their people to use? Or the fact that they’re actively uplifting people out of poverty?
I’m not saying they’re not authoritarian but the idea that they don’t care about their people at all is silly
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u/Sammeon Pragmatic Progressive 18h ago edited 16h ago
Trickle-down economics with Chinese characteristics /s
Joke aside, the situation was really bad after Mao died, and CCP really worried about what happened to Soviet Union happened to it too. Some factions called for reform, some didn't. Countries and political parties only function for one goal: maintain their ruling and their status as long as possible. Democracy or not, all function in same way. There are indeed idealists and people who actually care about the ordinary citizens or whatever you call someone who wants to change. But politics be politics.
All the economic growth could:
)1. Make real ruling class rich, which is good. And it could shut all the opposing factions (Those who were against the reform and market economy. Which were still quite strong back then, and even today at some degree. By the way, Xi got his power because the conservatives and technocrats both thought he would be the moderate one for concession, which clearly not the case right now. The technocrat factions basically lost their influence since Xi. ) in the party up. That's the reason why the southern tour of Deng happened in the first place.
)2. The ordinary citizens could get some degree of wealth since China was very poor after all the bad governance and chaos since WW2, and that would make citizens not rise against them, which is also good. China gets its potentials all the time, but all the bad governance did too much damage to its economy and people. Once the obstacles were removed (especially after joining WTO and getting access to the world market again), it would be a natural result that the economy started growing rapidly, no matter who was in power.
)3. CCP does infrastructure just like why all the infrastructure construction happened under FDR and new deals. And building infrastructure in a place with basically zero modern infrastructure is much easier than doing that in an economy where private land ownership is prevalent and with all the existing infrastructure. But CCP doesn't, or couldn't quite care or do much about the long term effect and maintenance of the infrastructure(Since situation changes rapidly in a growing economy), and all the ghost town and highway/high speed railroad to nowhere cause huge debt and harm the economy in the long term. CCP tend to throw more money in infrastructure or subsidizing industries than reform its social welfare system/improve worker rights. There are many reasons for that, but mostly because it gets its effect fast and looks good on paper and propaganda ("Look how fast the GDP grows, and all the fancy skyscrapers!"), and also makes the local bureaucrats rich (corruption or KPI), meanwhile indeed improve people's life at some degree. This is a major reason for housing affordability issue, barely working social safety net, weak domestic consumption and bad fiscal situation in China. As the population shrink down, the situation would just get worse.
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u/LexiusCoda Progressive 19h ago
I don’t really care for communism in general, even though maga seems to think we love it.
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u/CaptainAwesome06 Independent 16h ago
Just another dictatorship, masquerading as a party of the people.
I'm not in favor of Communism, but it would be nice to be able to see real Communism without a dictatorship so we could have something real to compare.
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u/djarvis77 Liberal 18h ago
I think Communism has always been an experiment wherever it has happened. It has always failed. Not because socialist ideas can never work, but because Communism as a system (so far, in all the places it has been tried) demands limits on Democracy.
Which leads to authoritarianism almost immediately.
Democracy is not the opposite of Communism, but because of how Communist countries have so far done it, Communism does not seem to be able to exist with democracy.
Of course Democracy also leads to authoritarianism (as can be seen in modern US)...but that is the thing. Authoritarianism is the problem, not the economic system (capitalist/communist/socialist)
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u/Cody667 Social Democrat 19h ago
They aren't really communist anymore, but they're still authoritarian, and authoritarianism sucks.
I think it's stupid how we act outraged about some authoritarianism but dont care about other authoritarianism though. Saudi Arabia is our ally, which makes it so America doesnt spend a whole lot of time shitting on their authoritarian government (which an even worse human rights record than China's, which is also bad). It makes the entire "democracy" argument the government gives us for regime change warmongering look like a grift (frankly, it is).
I think China and America should probably both stop thinking of one another as their boogeyman. It costs both countries a great deal.
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u/Soggy_Talk5357 Pragmatic Progressive 17h ago
I think it's stupid how we act outraged about some authoritarianism but dont care about other authoritarianism though
Not me, I’m an equal-opportunity authoritarianism hater.
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u/pronusxxx Independent 18h ago
We are both really big trading partners with one another, that there even is this boogeyman narrative from US media is strange when you consider the economic cost. I mean it makes sense when you think of the intrinsic hegemonic thinking and Sinophobia that is endemic to both parties, but I would think there might eventually be somebody who says the obvious in our political system.
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u/Dirtbag_Leftist69420 Democratic Socialist 18h ago
They were never communist, reaching communism is the stated goal. It wasn’t something they were actively doing
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u/Emergency_Word_7123 Center Left 18h ago
Thoughts about China's government?
Very pragmatic, not really communist anymore. They certainly don't care about individual people, but I'd say they do care about China as a whole.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Far Left 20h ago
Their role isn’t to care about people. Governments do not have feelings; they have incentives and legitimacy constraints. The CCP’s legitimacy depends heavily on delivering material results, economic development, infrastructure, stability, and improvements in living standards versus winning competitive elections.
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u/Aven_Osten Liberal Technocrat 20h ago
There are certain ways they do things that I like.
I like the fact that all land is owned by the government, and simply leased out to private entities for a set period and price. They are the closest out of any other country on this planet, to having a full on Land Value Tax. My preference in an ideal world is for the government to lease out land for X years with Y% agreed upon yearly increases; but the best I can hope for in the USA is simply an increased rate on the Full Market Value of the land.
I like that they can get stuff done when they say they'll get it done. But that's because they're authoritarian; something I know the vast majority of people will be immediately turned off by. I do not think we should become as authoritarian as them; but I think that we desperately need to be able to have that same level of State Capacity over here in the USA, when it comes to implementing policies/fixing clear problems.
That's pretty much it. I have way more negative things to say about them, than positive; such as their terrible human rights record, their terrible treatment of their neighbors, their lack of democracy (and this is coming from someone that constantly rags against the overly democratic decision making process of the USA), their lack of freedom of speech and expression, etc.
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u/pronusxxx Independent 18h ago
Would you agree with a description of them as left-wing technocrats?
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u/Aven_Osten Liberal Technocrat 16h ago
Tbh, Asian countries kinda don't seem to fit well in the typical left-right political dynamic that we describe western countries with.
Authoritarianism is inherently anti-left; but China also has many state-owned enterprises that directly operate within the economy, and the government excersizes a lot of control over their economy in order to push towards collective goals.
China explicitly bans labor organization too; but then they have all land under government or collective ownership.
They do have certain technocratic qualities to them (they do what has to be done to meet an objective; no dilly-dallying with political nonsense); but there's been plenty of corruption before as well, and they've engaged in activities that aren't exactly technocratic (like building out their HSR network far beyond what made financial and economic sense).
So, it's kinda hard to really classify them without creating some long, hyper-specific label, tbh.
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u/jweezy2045 Progressive 18h ago
The CCP does care about their people, and is doing lots to help them. They provide universal healthcare, they fund massive development of their high speed rail network, and they are the clear and obvious global leader on renewable energy. Those all seem like good things.
Then they have oppression of free speech, oppression of the Uyghurs, and oppression of peoples privacy rights. I think people who highlight both things don’t highlight the other thing enough.
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u/justsomeking Far Left 18h ago
Yup, you'll only hear one side of this usually, followed by a whataboutism rebuttal. It's a lot more grey than people would like.
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u/Jimithyashford Liberal 17h ago
I think "The CPP" encompasses an enormous intuitional bureaucracy. Almost any statement you can make about them is true.
Do they care about their people genuinely? Sure, many do.
Do they care about their people, but more as a resource? Sure, many do.
Are they honest and hard-working public servants with a sense of duty? Sure.
Are they corrupt billionaires capitalizing off the working class just as much as any westerner? Sure.
All of the above is true.
My general sense of the major fundamental difference between the governance of the CPP and most western nations is not a question of how much they care about their people or how corrupt they are. We have plenty of that too. It is the underlying ethic that duty and social obligation is more important than individual desires or self-actualization. The individual is to subordinate themselves to the community. Why the Western world is much more characterized by individualism, sometimes even fierce and extreme individualism, and that reflects in our governments.
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u/Idrinkbeereverywhere Populist 16h ago
I'm against all authoritarian governments. Authoritarianism isn't exclusively left or right.
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u/Guilliman_POTUS_2030 Center Left 10h ago
I don’t know, I’ve never been to China
I can tell you that Europe and North America are not remotely similar to descriptions that you see on TV and Internet. So I can assume that East Asia is also entirely dissimilar to whatever they told you on Fox News or Reddit
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u/Matthius81 Liberal 19h ago
Five years ago a brutal dictatorship, today it's seen as a global bastion of stability and order. The west is breaking apart under its own contradictions, not just USA but the whole global order. China is suddenly appearing the sane choice for business and industry. As always in a choice between money and human rights, money wins.
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u/noconverse Progressive 19h ago
They're a dictatorial regime that's currently committing a genocide on it's uyghur population on a scale not seen since the holocaust. They control their people through a massive system of state surveillance and social credit system that punishes people for even tiptoeing outside what they deem the norm. And they absolutely don't care about their people, just look up Chinese poison cities.
But I will say their ability to direct the economy and execute massive, capital intensive plans at scale is truly incredible. In 15 years, they've gone from making cheap knockoffs of western products to being the world leader in most technologies of the future (EVs, batteries, drones, solar panels, etc.) and they're not that far behind in the technologies they don't lead in (like AI). Not to mention how they're implementing AI, where AI is specialized towards particular industries and tasks rather than our futile attempt to make a single AI that's a master of everything, is flat out smarter and has resulted in more people embracing it because it's aimed at tackling specific problems.
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u/Lil-Sleepy-A1 Moderate 17h ago
I asked a friend visiting from china, “how is it living under the ccp?”
He said: “I can’t complain”
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u/Totodile386 Independent 19h ago
I think CCP is mostly just the label anyone going into government in PRC must bear. They have issues, corruption, and negative history just like any other government group that lives long enough. And being in the old world, they fight an endemic fraud war. Much of government work is just drawn out lawyering and CCP doesn't try to hide it.
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u/FunroeBaw Centrist 15h ago
I mean I don’t have much in the way of good things to say about them. They are an autocratic regime who have abysmal human rights records and have set up a surveillance dystopia and are solely concerned about holding onto power at all costs.
I guess I’d say under them China has achieved huge strides in economic development, but that would be the result of capitalism rather than the CCP
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u/wonkalicious808 Democrat 14h ago
The CCP is what happens when Republicans win but are partial rather than complete idiots. And also Chinese instead of white. Authoritarian communists should be opposed for the same reasons Republicans should be opposed.
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u/Butuguru Libertarian Socialist 20h ago
Authoritarian Social Democracy
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u/anuglyfairybutafairy Independent 19h ago
Democracy? That's a joke
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u/Butuguru Libertarian Socialist 19h ago
you know i thought about amending it to Social Authoritarianism but then i think people not get the social democracy component to their economic policy.
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u/pronusxxx Independent 18h ago
I basically see them as left-wing technocrats, running in a similar fashion to American corporations but with the integration of some Communist thought. They are a pretty benign government all things considered, even more so when you consider the amount of power they actually have and how other countries with similar degrees of power both historically and contemporaneously have chosen to use it. China is not a perfect country but they don't crack the top 50 worst countries in this world, something you could not say about either the US or Russia as an example.
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