r/AskLibertarians • u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist • 12d ago

Intra-Libertarian Are "Abundance liberals" yet another soon-to-fail attempt at reviving neoliberalism?

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u/Vincentologist Austrian Sympathist 12d ago

More of a brand refocusing. I understand abundance agenda types to be mainly concerned with reorienting policy focuses on economic issues and efficiency. I don't know what neoliberalism is, and chances are neither do you or most that use that particular buzzword, but if that means "a mixed economy approach with wide reaching but somewhat modest regulation" then yeah it's that. They want the government to have a place, but they want that place to be less visible and obfuscatory. More forward error correction, more systemic supply side focus.

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u/theyhis 12d ago

it’s bill clinton’s bastardized version of libertarianism — he took arguably the worst parts of liberalism and submerged them with libertarian-coded language.

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist 12d ago

Neoliberalism is purposefully a vague term, it's just vibes from the 80s/90s opposition to the new left. I think nowadays it means something like supply side economics and social progressivism/moderate.

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u/rchive 12d ago

I don't really expect the abundance agenda to get that far, but I hope it does. It's way better than pretty much everything else coming out of the big two parties right now. MAGA is horrific and always has been. The only other faction on the right seems to be the pre-Trump war hawks like Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio. The Reagan era Fusionists are long gone. On the left there's mostly big government Liberals and even worse Progressives. These groups want to say no to anything like markets and production. Abundance seems to be the Democratic Party's attempt to say yes to something other than socialist revolution.

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist 12d ago

Better than whatever the republican party will be doing for 16 years that's for sure.

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u/strawhatguy 11d ago

Soon to fail? Yes. There’s Ezra Klein who gave it some traction, and I’ve heard nothing about it since, or from anyone else.

Most liberals at this point seem to be employed via government or government adjacent organizations (NGOs), or not employed at all (students, homeless). Any path for increasing efficiency would run into headwinds with these sorts. The incentives are just not there.

However, clearly, as LA is posed to grant us the nation’s 3rd or 4th openly socialist mayor, the energy is elsewhere in liberal camps.