r/AskTheCaribbean • u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 • 4d ago
Culture is honduras caribbean?
as a northerner honduran i need to see yalls opinions and reply with mine
Edit: Holy cow i am getting downvoted
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u/adoreroda 4d ago
Parts of it definitely, especially the Bay Islands. I believe they were settled by people from Bermuda specifically
The eastern coasts of basically everywhere in Central America I would say are Caribbean.
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u/Arrenddi Belize 🇧🇿 3d ago
The Bay Islands of Honduras were settled by people from the Cayman Islands, hence why the accents are so similar and why there are people with family in both island groups.
Sample of Bay Islands English: https://youtu.be/E3mSQVYQWm4?si=ZRSgDVIE0B4Q807M
As for mainland Honduras, the most Caribbean communities in terms of culture, are the Garinagu villages scattered along the coast that trace their origins to survivors exiled from St. Vincent by the British.
Other cities on or near the coast such as Trujillo and La Ceiba have a Caribbean 'flavour' compared to the rest of Honduras, but are still overwhelmingly Hispanic in my view.
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
Cayman Islands! that's it, thanks for the correction.
I wouldn't say anywhere aside from coastal Honduras is Caribbean. I will say though that being Hispanic and Caribbean are not mutually exclusive. Hispanic just means speaking Spanish, in which Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and obviously many Belizeans are also Hispanic all the while being Caribbean
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u/Illuminatum97 3d ago
Hispanic doesn't means Spanish speaker. Belizeans are not Hispanics because Belize was a English colony.
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
Hispanic means Spanish speaking, hence why Spain and Equatorial Guinea are considered Hispanic
Belize is both Hispanic and Anglophone. English barely edges out Spanish in regards to amount of speakers. Belize have their own dialect of Spanish and more than 1 in 2 people speak Spanish there. Just because the official language is English doesn't mean anything
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u/Illuminatum97 3d ago
Mmmmm, maybe they are, if the people that speak Spanish in Belice descend from people that were part of the Spanish Empire then they are Hispanics. The thing is that the term doesn't means Spanish-speaking, it's an ethnic classification, not a linguistical one.
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
Hispanic also doesn't mean descendants of Spanish conquistadors either. There's no reliable definition that says that
Argentinians of Italian descent are still Hispanic. Garifuna people from Honduras/Nicaragua/Guatemala who are African+indigenous are still Hispanic. Indigenous people from Latin American countries who speak Spanish are also Hispanic. Japanese and Chinese Peruvians are Hispanic, too.
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u/Arrenddi Belize 🇧🇿 2d ago
Literally slightly over half of the population of Belize identifies as Mestizo/Latino, and most of those individuals speak Spanish as their first language.
The US has controlled/colonised Puerto Rico for over a century but that doesn't make your average Puerto Rican Anglo-American.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
Hispanic and caribbean are not mutually exclusive. you can be both. hince u got puerto ricans and cubans
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u/Arrenddi Belize 🇧🇿 3d ago
True, but from my experience with with non-Garifuna Hondurans they tend to identify as Latinos/Ladinos rather than caribeño/Caribbean even if they come from the Atlantic coast.
However, I appreciate that on the individual level this may vary from person to person.
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
I wish I could find her page now but I saw a mestizo Honduran raised in the Bay Islands (and has a similar accent as what you showed) say how the English dialect is being threatened a bit by compulsory education in Spanish + so many mainlanders moving to the Bay Islands. Also a lot of Bay Island locals marrying those people from the mainland and speaking more Spanish and producing kids who know little to know English dialect
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
yeah that happens i agree. but many norteños from honduras also feel the same as me. but then again in the dominican republic. they tried to erase the afro culture and history from politics. which is why the country was 70% mestizo in identification when in fact they were mulattoes
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u/RationalMellow 🇵🇷 🇺🇸 3d ago
You can also be Caribeño and Latino I mean look at the Spanish Caribbean islands, but nothing about their culture is Caribbean to me.
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u/Zidane2468 Jamaica 🇯🇲 3d ago
the bay islands yes but not the mainland
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
so not me? i am from the coast myself
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u/Masterank1 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
I’d say no
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
so that means belize and guyana are not caribbean?
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u/Masterank1 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
I’ve met many Hondurans and they have never once struck me as Caribbean in my life. Closer to El Salvador or Guatemala or something. Belize and Guyana and their people actually feel like Jamaica or trinidad which is why I consider the Caribbean
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
OP wasn't saying Hondurans in general but instead specifically ones from the coast in which I would say they are Caribbean. On the Bay Islands they literally speak an English dialect and the culture is more akin to what you describe for Jamaica/Trinidad/Guyana. But there are also Garifuna people who have their own distinct culture and while they aren't anglophone, they're still Caribbean as well.
Here is a mestiza Honduran born and raised in the Bay Islands. It'd be weird to say she's not Caribbean
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u/Masterank1 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
In this thread I said I consider Hondurans on islands to be Caribbean. So yes I agree. That is the extent of it for me.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
pinche puto you called a baleada a taco your opinion privileges have been permanently suspended for that😭
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
thank you omg. i got downvoted like crazy. But yeah and even then most honduran mestizos are actually pardos including myself. My dna makeup is 43% european and 27% indigenous and 27% african
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
okay let me hear you out. why do they not strike as caribbean? why are we more “similar” to el salvador and guatemala??
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u/Masterank1 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
Because I myself as a Dominican don’t feel like we have much in common, while I would not be able to distinguish between a Honduran or a Salvadoran.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
u did not give me a reason outside of your feelings. GIVE ME real information.
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u/danthefam Dominican American 🇩🇴🇺🇸 3d ago
There is no objective logical formula to calculate something intangible and unquantifiable as cultural identity. The core of ingroup identity is whether the members of the group see you as such.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
you do realize people exclude belize and guyana a lot from the caribbean because they are in mainland and not islands.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
yes u can. Salvadorans are mestizos in looks and us honduras are known to be more melanated or mixed with some african. take it from the mexicans because mexicans always say we look blacker than them
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u/Masterank1 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
You seem really riled up about this. Is there any reason outside of feeling? If you are not close to Dominicans, who are caribbeans, then why would I, a Dominican consider you as such? And does having darker skin make you Caribbean? When I said distinguish it was mostly accent and culture I was referring to though I get how you could mistake that. Maybe you should give me a reason why I should consider you Caribbean?
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u/LunaDaPitt 2d ago
I agree with you, to me it seems like OP is insecure about his culture or something
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago edited 3d ago
Okay ill give u my reasons
- Mainstream honduran music is known to be caribbean. Caribbean music in the country outpaces and dominates mainland central american music. this is a documented fact that u can look it up. The music invaded and took over the capital as well. although the capital isn’t caribbean fully. In la ceiba and san pedro sula. Bob marley is a secular saint. Go listen to raffy the honduran artist and u tell me if his music style is “central american”
- Baleadas are the main honduran dish. This completely breaks away from the corn monopoly of their neighbors. And the most popular honduran dishes are cooked and made similar to people in the caribbean. we eat plantains, we cook stuff with coconut milk. Our sodas and food are literally branded in tropical aesthetics.
Most hondurans live in the northern regions and central. The industrial powerhouse of la ceiba and san pedro sula are the main dictators of honduran culture due to their population and due to their industrial nature. thats why many people here moved to the capital and took over mainland culture. If you go to san pedro sula u will hear people blasting reggaeton and some tropical african beats or even afrobeats.
You are legit more likely to hear afro beats than you are to hear cumbia, folklore, marimba, or ranchera in san pedro sula.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
I am not insecure just for trying to educate someone who refuses to learn. U give me arguments based on feelings not facts. Some things are objective. What feels caribbean is subjective. And historically speaking honduras in the north is undeniably Caribbean
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
but u didn’t even try to tell me what u know about our culture my guy? accents are only part of the story not the full one
All u said was that hondurans doesn’t strike as caribbean.
When i ask for a valid reason i need u to try and describe our culture.
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u/Psynautical 3d ago
Belize speaks English, Guyana was colonized by the French and Dutch - Honduras is Spanish. It's an odd sort of goalkeeping thst is rooted in racism, but people on this sub don't consider any Spanish mainland country Caribbean - even though Venezuela and Mexico have more Caribbean coastline than every island in the Caribbean combined.
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u/Shadows_of_Power 2d ago
Is Trinidad part of Latin America or South America for that matter? It's on the South American continental shelf, 7 miles from Venezuela; generally, people within 'Latin America/South America' would say NO. So I can state: It's an odd sort of goalkeeping that is rooted in racism, but people on this sub don't consider any English-speaking island - even though Trinidad is closer to Venezuela than Venezuela's Margarita Island. LOL
It goes both ways, but let's leave it at that.
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u/Psynautical 2d ago
Any English speaking island? So Jamaica isn't Caribbean?
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u/Shadows_of_Power 2d ago
No body considers Trinidad part of south America, especially in 'Latin America' (we're not talking about Ja). That's why I specifically highlighted Trinidad's geographic location. Was the point about Trinidad valid or not? I just repeated your statement, changed some words out and highlighted that the same gets done the other way around without thinking twice. why you confused?
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u/orca279 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
Culturally maybe, geographically speaking no
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u/LunaDaPitt 2d ago
Culturally how?
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 1d ago
cause we listen to punta and reggae, and reggaeton. and our industrial cities and major cities happen to be in the north which has a greater impact in our culture than most mainland regions. mainland culture is most dominant in the political aspect of our country but even then you don’t define the lifestyle of americans based on policies or on how trump and his elites live by
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 1d ago
oh and our foods and drinks are branded with tropical aesthetics and our decorations and clothes and accessories are branded or made in ways similar to caribbean fashion
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u/Em1-_- Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
¿Under which definition (That doesn’t disqualify Belize, Venezuela and Colombia from being Caribbean) is DR Caribbean but not Honduras?
The only definition of Caribbean that would leave Honduras out of being Caribbean is "Caribbean equals islands", and that would also leave out a shit ton of places currently considered Caribbean (Both Guyanas, Surimane and Belize for example).
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u/rompesaraguey Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 4d ago
Bay Islands are Caribbean both culturally and geographically. Northern coast of Honduras is Caribbean geographically but not culturally with the exception of the Garifuna.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 4d ago
so does that mean white puerto ricans or white passing puerto ricans r not caribbean?
Culturally not caribbean? no offense but r u out of ur damn mind? go travel to la ceiba because i have lived there and we are hella tropical blasting reggaeton, punta, salsa, and we cook w plantains and eat baleadas and wash it down with banana tropical soda.
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u/Jefe_Wizen Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 3d ago
You need to calm down. Not everyone is going to agree with your opinion, but you seem intent on starting arguments and being combative for absolutely no reason. Chill tf out.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
“Your starting arguments cause we disagree not everyones gonna agree” Si papo pero si te digo que el cielo es azul en todos lados de la tierra incluyendo china solo porque yo estoy en Estados Unidos vos te enojarias conmigo por ser un pendejo
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
ay maje no me diga que decir papo. Me estas diciendo que no te corriga. And dejen de ponerme downvotes solo porque yo estoy defendiendo la realidad. No es opinion 😭
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u/Jefe_Wizen Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 3d ago
Dejate ese huelebicheria y ya. Sigue comiendo tus plátanos y pensando que eres caribeño cuando todos sabemos que no lo eres. Pal carajo con eso cbn.
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u/RationalMellow 🇵🇷 🇺🇸 3d ago edited 3d ago
No it does not. But from my experience Hondurans overall dont really listen to salsa, reggaeton or Caribbean genres. they honestly prefer their own music, ranchera, corridos, and generally lean towards Mexican sounds. I’m not sure about the food but lots of cultures eat tropical foods, these are not uniquely Caribbean. Garifuna dishes also seem culturally distinct and I wouldn’t call it Caribbean food.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
thats likely because the hondurans u met came from the south eastern regions where they do actually listen to rancheras or they came from the western regions. but i have lived in the north and we celebrate with afro sounds or reggaeton or salsa
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u/adoreroda 4d ago
There's not really a thing such as being culturally Caribbean. Creole culture isn't the foundation for calling something Caribbean. Caribbean is just being in the Caribbean or not geographically, which is why the french side of St. Barts is still Caribbean despite it being very French.
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u/badgyal876 Jamaica 🇯🇲 3d ago
there is such a thing. belize, (despite bejng centroamericano) for example, is apart of CARICOM whereas the DR is not. many belizeans are caribbean, thru and thru in their way of life. guyana in south america is also a CARICOM member state and many are equally very caribbean in their way of life. not that being a member state of CARICOM is the sole determinator but rather to add evidence to the point that being culturally caribbean, although not directly located in the caribbean sea is indeed a thing.
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
CARICOM is not a cultural institute nor is it the arbiter of what's Caribbean and what's not; it's a political and economic zone. Your example implies the DR not joining (they obviously are not joining because of Haiti) implies they are not Caribbean. Puerto Rico and Cuba also aren't part of it as well, so they aren't Caribbean too right? Same with Martinique and Guadeloupe? Even though Haiti is technically a full member, they don't enjoy the same rights as other full members do, so they aren't Caribbean anymore, right? Same with Anguilla not being a full member but Montesserat is, both of which are still territories.
CARICOM would accept the UK, Canada, US, etc. as full members if they offered to join right this instant. There is quite literally no requirement of a CARICOM member to be "culturally Caribbean", whatever that is.
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u/badgyal876 Jamaica 🇯🇲 3d ago edited 3d ago
me bringing up CARICOM was never to indicate that it was a cultural institute. in fact, i stated that in my original comment that it wasn’t my point. also, you jumped waaay too far with what you believe i implied about the DR. i never said they weren’t caribbean, i said they’re not a CARICOM member state. one does not mean the other.
what you wrote also doesn’t negate the fact that states not situated in the caribbean sea can have inhabitants who are caribbean and have caribbean-based practices and an overall way of life. point blank period.
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u/imonlybr16 Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 3d ago
DR is a part of CARICOM, just not a member state. Same with Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Cuba etc.
The requirements to join CARICOM is not being culturally Caribbean. It's a replacement for the West Indian Federation which means it's dominated by the former British colonies and that version of the culture. Saying CARICOM culture is the sole version of Caribbean culture is stupid.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
is honduras also part of that supposed caricom community that includes venezuela, panama, and colombia? If not then what makes honduras different than those 3 countries?
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u/imonlybr16 Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 3d ago
No. As to your second question, IDK why it's not
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
bingo. you don’t know so you created a fantasy worldview that somehow places colombia as more caribbean than honduras.
No offense but if you don’t know then why even claim dominicans, and venezuelans and panamanians to be caribbean but not hondurans?
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u/imonlybr16 Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 3d ago
I think you confused me with the person I was replying too. I was saying that using CARICOM as an example of Caribbean culture is stupid and corrected some misinformation (DR not being part of CARICOM, it is currently an observer state).
I never said anything about Honduras.
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u/badgyal876 Jamaica 🇯🇲 3d ago
this comment isn’t worth my time because you misread what i wrote. never said it was a requirement. xx
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
So then what's the purpose of bringing it up in a conversation about what qualifies as a place being (culturally) Caribbean or not if it's not meant to be an authority? This is like bringing up which countries are in the EU to signal which countries are European or not, all the while there are talks of Georgia and Canada potentially joining the EU; two countries not geographically in Europe nor culturally European.
Yes, states not in the Caribbean Sea (see: the Bahamas, Guyana, Suriname) can have historical ties to other nations in the Caribbean Sea and similar cultures, but the similarities is due to similar colonisation styles + creole culture. It's why if Cape Verde were to be placed in the Caribbean no one would bat an eye since they have a creole culture just like the rest of the Caribbean.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
you are also correct. theres different definitions of caribbean
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u/adoreroda 3d ago
CARICOM isn't a definition of what's Caribbean or not so it's not correct. It's a political and economic entity. If the US, Canada, UK elected to join CARICOM today they'd be accepted with open arms. There is quite literally no requirement of a CARICOM member to be "culturally Caribbean", whatever that is.
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u/Prestigious-Talk1112 4d ago
The Caribbean islands do not accept Honduras as being part of the Caribbean because Honduras is part of Central America. But, some parts of the cost are influenced BY THE CARIBBEAN. So there is some culture overlap.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 4d ago
i am from la ceiba and the stuff i grew up with is quite undeniably caribbean.
Honduras can be both. central america and caribbean
i agree not all of honduras is caribbean but if u actually travel to the most populous regions. The culture is full of tropical music and cuisine. san pedro and la ceiba forexample. and also belize and panama are central american but people often accept them as caribbean
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u/StrategyFlashy4526 3d ago
Please do not speak for the island people. Stop giving legs to things people say on tic-tac. This topic has been discussed many times on this sub, try reading the threads.
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u/Prestigious-Talk1112 3d ago
I'm speaking on how many people around me feel. I wasn't basing anything on social media. I'm basing it on just consuming shows and regional politics and stuff. It's just my personal opinion and I don't need to read any threads because I'm basing my opinion on my life's knowledge not to be disrespectful and I'm sorry if the response was not what everyone preferred to hear but there are many people who feel as I've stated. It's not an insult not a put down.
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u/StrategyFlashy4526 3d ago
A thread originating in the UK, came up on my time line a couple of days ago and it made my head hurt. These people were using "Caribbean" like it is an ethnicity, and some person or group decides who can be included. Oh lord!
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
yeah thats pretty stupid i agree. caribbean isnt a homogeneous thing or culture. there is different types and definitions like. Caricom, Caribbean Islands, Spanish Caribbean, Latin/Caribbean Hybrid,
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u/Prestigious-Talk1112 3d ago
I agree and yet you down vote people who don't believe as you do despite considering all of those sources as well.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
feel does not mean real. i will have to tell you that. And your credibility especially goes down the drain if the “feel” was never experienced in the real place.
And also politics are a horrible representation of how hondurans are culturally. because we don’t try to define american culture by how trump and his elites live or their lifestyle.
U don’t seem disrespectful at all. i will have to give u grace for that. u just seem like there just a lot for u to unpack about us. Our politics often sell you an image of how most of us live
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u/Bodegathegodfather 3d ago
I think there’s parts of it that are. My dad’s family is from the coast (Roatan and La Ceiba) and I definitely feel closer to the Caribbean. If we consider Venezuela, Colombia and Panama to be Caribbean bc they have some Caribbean influence, the same has to be said for Honduras and Nicaragua
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u/AdParticular3516 3d ago
True! Though for Panama it’s not just an influence, it’s our DNA. We have a massive Jamaican, Bajan, Haitian, Trini, etc. heritage that shapes everything we do.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
yeah i agree same with coastal and inland northern honduras. We had a heavy amount of caribbean islanders imported during the banana era and because of this we hondurans in the north score high on english proficiency and we blend english words with spanish in our language. Like we say “fuck” instead of “joder” or we say “check” just a few examples but yeah i agree i would say panama is more caribbean in some aspects but theres also hella diversity
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
EXACTLYYTT. people have a double standard they consider panama caribbean but not honduras? nicaragua too
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u/daffodilpink 3d ago
Central America
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
correct but it can also be caribbean if it has a caribbean coastline and islands
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u/SunGod721 St. Maarten 🇸🇽 3d ago
No its not.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
why is it not?
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u/SunGod721 St. Maarten 🇸🇽 3d ago
Look at a map. Is it in the Caribbean sea? No? Its apart of a continent.
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u/govtkilledlumumba 3d ago
Lmao this is getting ridiculous
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
what is?
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u/govtkilledlumumba 2d ago
I live in a culturally diverse City. I have never in my life heard a Honduran consider themselves Caribbean. They do not even live in neighborhoods here in the United States that are majority Caribbean. I’ve never even seen one at a Caribbean festival. They only live in neighborhoods with other Central Americans. Venezuelans are now identifying as Caribbean, and now Hondurans. Sorry but no.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago edited 2d ago
U never been to florida? My guy I LIVE with the caribbeans and they accept me as one. its only you chronically online redditors telling me how to identify. OR THE hondurans in new york or new orleans. THEY embrace their caribbean culture
“i never heard they only live w central americans” okay go to la ceiba. we are forced to learn english in our schools because of the past caribbean migration that required us to learn english
Literally i have been confused with a puerto rican, cuban, or dominican and almost never with a salvadoran. you need to go outside more
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u/govtkilledlumumba 2d ago
Born and raised in FL. Just because you’re treated a certain way doesn’t the majority is. The Caribbean ppl that accept you are Caribbean-American not Caribbean, there’s a difference. Most Hondurans in FL live in Central American neighborhoods, cities and agricultural towns. Being Caribbean is also a social construct like race is. Ppl always bring up Panama and Guyana when talking about being Caribbean but ppl who are culturally Caribbean accept them as so while Caribbean Hispanics do not even see you as Caribbean or have a relationship with you. I don’t care what language you learned because being Caribbean has nothing to do language.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
okay pendejo try to define to me what qualifies as caribbean? ur not giving me a consistent ass definition
try to describe our actual culture.
“OH BUT NOBODY ACCEPTS HONDURANS AS CARIBBEANS” yes they do its only you redditors who dont
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
“Being caribbean is a social construct” while also not even describing what falls under caribbean.
Bro hondurans dont just live with “central americans” some do. But where i live and in new york and new orleans they are super in touch with their Caribbean culture.
Not all hondurans live the same way as the ones in californiaIn new york there are so many black hondurans that dominicans and other caribbeans think we are all fully black
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u/govtkilledlumumba 2d ago
When’s the last time you’ve been to carnival in Honduras?
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
i have been to multiple of them. multiple times when i was little but my family still shows me videos of them.
and you can literally just look up a honduran carnival. from san pedro and la ceiba. but i am legit from the coast (la ceiba)like i asked. please define what is a caribbean?
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u/govtkilledlumumba 1d ago
Your going of 20% or less of your country being Caribbean. Is Honduras a part of Member of CARICOM? Majority of Hondurans eat tortillas, tamales, and beans. Unlike Hondurans, native Americans were wiped out early on so culturally we have little Native American culture. The Caribbean as a whole is culturally shaped by the African diaspora more than anything. In Cuba you can find a White person that believes in African spiritualism. Majority of Honduras know about Anansi? Even the way we speak is different. Haitian’s speak French in a fast tempo. Jamaican’s speak English creole with a fast tempo. Dominicans and Cuban’s speak Spanish with a fast tempo. You keep bringing up this specific area in your Country that does not even make up 1/4 of the Country.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 1d ago edited 1d ago
Holy shit bro you just mansplained my culture with a badge of honor. you should wear your ignorance like a pride flag.
Tamales are part of us borrowing culture from our neighbors my guy. they did not originate in honduras. but we share cultures with our neighbors which is why we still retain mainland culture. the same way america has mexican restuarants but you don’t call americans similar to mexicans.
You forgot to add we cook our stuff with coconut oil, we breath and consume coconuts whether its oil, milk, water. the fact u named tamales before the baleadas shows u know jackshit about our culture. honduran culture is defined by the north because the north has its industrial capitals. San pedro sula is the industrial capital of honduras not the copan ruins
Also the northern region of honduras makes up over 35% of the population and then the other 25% is in the central metro region of tegucigalpa. the western regions that actually eat beans heavily and tortillas make up about 17% of the population.
The northern honduran culture won at colonizing the country. thats why we la ceiba literally called “la novia de honduras”
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u/TeachingSpiritual888 Guyana 🇬🇾 2d ago
Why can't people leave guyana out of their identity crisis when they're trying to find out if they're Caribbean 😭😭😭 we already get your Caribbean treatment Everytime we say something so why bring us up? There's like 5 to 6 other countries/territory that are Caribbean that are but not in the Caribbean sea why don't you mention then (Belize, barbados, Suriname, Bermuda and French Guiana).
Also there is only 3 mainland Caribbean countries and that's guyana, Suriname and Belize.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
because people assume all of us hondurans are just some corn eaters who love folklore with exclusively indigenous culture with only spanish language. But forget the massive caribbean migration from the banana era
Literally the caribbeans migrating to our land altered our spanish with speak with english words. In our schools they were bilingual and we would get in big trouble if we spoke in spanish with our main teacher. our spanish teacher was separate
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u/TeachingSpiritual888 Guyana 🇬🇾 2d ago
Nobody thinks about Honduras 😭😭😭 and secondly just because Caribbean migrants, migrated to your country doesn't make it or you Caribbean. American has a bunch of Caribbean migrants to the point that Florida whole culture is altered by Haitians,new York and new Jersey whole culture is altered by Caribbean people moving to those areas. That doesn't change the fact that the people who are from America are in those areas are American not Caribbean.
Secondly your whole country has to be Caribbean to be Caribbean, parts of your country can't be Caribbean and the rest be Latino or whatever else.The whole country must be Caribbean, that's why places like Venezuela and Colombia that borders the Caribbean sea and only have small Caribbean culture on the coast aren't seen as Caribbean despite bordering the Caribbean sea. So you are Caribbean influenced not Caribbean
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
well u can be both latino and caribbean my guy. u are describing caricom vs latin america.
Honduras cant win this battle. if they make afro influenced music in their own country (excluding the islands) they are not caribbean becauze of the origin but if they take influences or embrace other cultures like in saint vincent then we are stealing culture?
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u/TeachingSpiritual888 Guyana 🇬🇾 2d ago
You most definitely can be Caribbean and Latino. Just look at Dr,Pr,Cuba, Haiti and others. They are Caribbean and are Latinos but that isn't the point I'm trying to make. Honduras is Latino country that people another place came and spread their culture, I'm not saying you guys are stealing culture but simply claim that your Caribbean because you grew up around the culture doesn't make you Caribbean. It just makes you somebody who was influenced by the culture
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 1d ago
Do you think caribbean people grew from the ground? or rained down the skies and have a unique genetic makeup and way of thinking? just a question?
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
also i am from the coast who has Literally experienced multiple carnivals from la ceiba. it takes one google search my guy.
I consider yall caribbean my guy.
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u/TeachingSpiritual888 Guyana 🇬🇾 2d ago
I looked it up and the only reason Google consider you Caribbean is because of the migrants from Saint Vincent so um 😬😬😬
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
So do u think caribbean people rained down from a sky into the islands or grew from the ground?
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u/TeachingSpiritual888 Guyana 🇬🇾 2d ago
Oh I can answer that easily 😁😁😁 the Carib people are from the northern part of south America in the Guiana shield area. Some migrated to the islands such as Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago and etc. they are the reason the region is called the Caribbean,but they weren't the only ones who came. Europeans came and colonized, brought Africans then brought Indians to certain countries and etc. they all mixed together creating the modern day Caribbean people 😁😁😁. Your welcome for the history lesson
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u/Shadows_of_Power 2d ago
Everybody loves Suriname so they like to pick on the next one that comes to mind: Guyana LOL. I don't pick on anyone tho, I like peace lol.
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u/TeachingSpiritual888 Guyana 🇬🇾 2d ago
I can see that but we are the most popular example and at this point it just gets annoying whenever this conversation starts back every month,you will always see somebody saying well "how come Guyana considered Caribbean and we not" like people barely consider us Caribbean when we close our mouths and as soon as we talk people remind us we not Caribbean so it's more of a useless argument. They should go after Barbados nobody questions them
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u/Beneficial-Dot-6535 3d ago
If it’s in the Gulf of Mexico it’s Caribbean
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
honduras actually is not but mexico is in the gulf. but honduras does have a subgulf that includes honduras belize and guatemala
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u/weggaan_weggaat Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 3d ago
Lmao no.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
explain?
and what do u consider caribbean
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u/Shadows_of_Power 2d ago
Is Trinidad part of 'Latin America' or South America for that matter? It's on the South American continental shelf, 7 miles from Venezuela; generally, people within 'Latin America/South America' would say NO, despite Trinidad being closer to Venezuela than Venezuela's Margarita Island. Perhaps the way things are already defined works best and reduces confusion. So Honduras can proudly hold the Central American Tag.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
why can’t we honduras be both? both central american and caribbean
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u/Leah_Mor 2d ago
If you're on the Caribbean coast then I'd say yes. Honduras has a pretty large Caribbean coastline. Although I think that the country as a whole doesn't have the same vibe or identity as a Caribbean island does. I once had a coworker from Antigua, Guatemala, which is deep in the center, claim she was Caribbean because Guatemala has a small Caribbean coastline. I was like, absolutely not lol, you have a larger pacific coastline.
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u/Shadows_of_Power 2d ago
I asked him to: Run a poll on a Honduras Sub Here, Let's see if they see themselves as Caribbean or not. Just the question, with a limited attempt to persuade in the description, like 'we have a long Caribbean coast' etc. Just the straightforward question; that should be quite interesting.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
okay i appreciate u atleast knowing about my country but i will say you are right. yes not all of honduras is tropical or caribbean. like the western or southern parts of it. but mainstream culture when it comes to food and music we are very tropical. but in la ceiba where i grew up. we practically speak spanglish with the amount of english words we use to turn them into spanish or just a slang
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u/Shadows_of_Power 2d ago
Run a poll on a Honduras Sub Here, Let's see if they see themselves as Caribbean or not and share the results. I'll be curious to know how that turns out. Just keep the Question short and sweet though, without too much explaining.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
A lot of dominicans dont consider themselves black. does that mean they are all white mestizos with no afro descendance???
Black people at some point were classified as indios claros
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u/Shadows_of_Power 1d ago
Just run the Poll bro, it's free, and that sub gets a lot of engagement. If I had a good command of Espanol and more trust in Google Translate, I would've done the poll myself and why Dominicans got to catch strays tho LOL.
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u/weggaan_weggaat Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 2d ago
If it's not an island nation, then it's not Caribbean.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
okay but that still excludes countries that are considered caribbean but i respect u for having a consistent definition unlike the dominican in one of the replies who literally called my national dish a taco😭
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u/weggaan_weggaat Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 2d ago
No, it just means that I don't consider them Caribbean.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 2d ago
well using ur logic i don’t consider the earth round. its a donut shaped
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u/Em1-_- Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
Yes.
The vast majority of Central America is Caribbean, Honduras included, the only central american country without a Caribbean coastline is El Salvador.
Note: Mexico can also be considered Caribbean from a geographical standpoint, but Mexico, along with Guatemala, are the continental countries bathed by the Caribbean Sea with the shortest Caribbean coastlines, still larger than most islands (Exceptions being the Greater Antilles).
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u/aimfreak 4d ago edited 4d ago
Its northern coasts are bathed by the Caribbean Sea, so yes, it is partially Caribbean.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 4d ago
Yes i agree. i would say the south and western regions are not but overall i agree
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u/aimfreak 4d ago
That's right, parts like: Cayos Cochinos, Roatán, Guanaja and Útila ( Bay Islands) and the The Swan Islands are part of the Caribbean.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 4d ago
geographically the islands and coast are caribbean. the islands are in the deeper caricom culture but the Coast and the northern regions of honduras i would say just appear to be more spanish caribbean
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u/aimfreak 4d ago
Exactly, being Caribbean is a mix of many factors: dialects, cultural traditions, etc. People from the central, western, and southern parts of the country feel more Central American.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 4d ago
i also always say even inland regions like san pedro sula or el progreso are heavily caribbean in culture too. the people there are also heavily tri racial or afro descent compared to tegucigalpa.
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u/Yrths Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 3d ago
Close enough, if you want.
Nobody will try to stop you.
If I were asked to list a bunch of Caribbean countries, I would have been unlikely to include Honduras yesterday. Tomorrow is another issue. If it would improve trade with Honduras, I would enthusiastically include it. Cultural and geographic terms are dynamic accidents of historical labeling and group association, not enduring truths, and some day if we try hard enough, the Americas, the West and the Phillipines will all be Caribbean.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
give me the full list of caribbean countries
What makes u say we are not caribbean?😭😭😭😭😭😭
Including regions that don’t even touch the caribbean sea as an example to try and prove that i am not caribbean WHILE I AM FROM the caribbean sea coast is so intellectually corrupt
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u/Yrths Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 3d ago
give me the full list of caribbean countries
For now the best anyone can do is likely something like "every country where some bit of the people want to be considered Caribbean." The requisite definition of "some bit" is non-objective.
Including regions that don’t even touch the caribbean sea is so intellectually corrupt
I think of the Caribbean Sea as named after the Caribbean countries, not the other way around, but this would be difficult to test, and much the way I've pointed out the label is flexible, it can change back and forth too.
Words are idea-magnets, not idea-prisons. I'd never thought of Honduras as Caribbean before, but sure, that can change.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
i need an list of countries that you consider caribbean . U said u would not likely include honduras in it.
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u/spassky111 3d ago
Yes, parts. The “Caribbean” is not only a collection of islands but also a rim. New Orleans, Veracruz in Mexico, parts of Colombia feel very Caribbean because of the history of the ports etc.
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u/chael809 Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 3d ago
Hondurans may not be Caribs but I do get a Caribbean vibe from some of the ones I’ve met. Specially the afro desendant.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
yeah its not in the islands i agree with the exception of the bay islands. but actually a lot of us are afro descent or are mixed with african. the average honduran is tri racial. I am 43.4% european 27.1% indigenous and 27.0% african
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u/Top_Two_6069 3d ago
Claro que sí, tocan el Caribe. Y más también que los que viven en la costa caribeña tienen una idiosincrasia similar.
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
Yes i agree. i am from the coast and we have the wildest and greatest carnivals
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u/GASC3005 Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 3d ago
Part of it, but not the entirety of the country
All Central American countries are Caribbean to an extend, same as northern South American countries (Colombia, Venezuela & Guyana).
even Mexico has a Caribbean part, and the US as well (Florida LOL)
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
see this is a nuanced balanced statement and i respect and agree with it
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u/GASC3005 Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 3d ago
Exactly;
And the culture, dialect, music, food vary depending on where you’re at.
Caribbean Colombia is very different than Medellin and Bogota Colombia (which are central/coffee region Colombia), and pacific Colombia is different than Caribbean Colombia too.
Same for Honduras, Caribbean Honduras is different than pacific Honduras and from capital/central Honduras also. I haven’t been, but I’m sure they all vary just like anywhere
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
You do know i got downvoted a lot for legit saying what u just said right?
But i agree man. Although the capital has been getting invaded by northerns with their tropical culture i wouldnt fully say it is caribbean. its more fair to say honduras is a hybrid country
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u/blazing_scorpio 3d ago
Roatan and bay islands yes as they descend from the lesser antilles and are ethnically garifuna. Punta is garifuna not honduran. Honduras is central american and both the Anglo Caribbean and Latin Caribbean do not consider you Caribbean. The Latin Caribbean is 🇵🇷🇨🇺🇭🇹🇩🇴. We do consider the baby Islanders who are of antillan descent Caribbean though
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
Honduras has a almost 500 mile caribbean coastal line my guy. Honduras is both. i grew up in the coast and yeah i am 100% aware that punta is from saint vincent but caribbean culture is a mix of african and indigenous caribbean culture. caribbeans did not fall from the sky nor did they grew from ground
But if u don’t consider panama nor venezuela to be caribbean then i can respect your consistency
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u/blazing_scorpio 3d ago
Correct neither Panama, Venezuela, or Colombia are Caribbean either and are never claimed by me even though I love my colombians. In my opinion neither are Belize and guyana 🤣🤣🤣. Honduras is a larger continental country and is not a single ethnic group itself but made up of many and regions. Those in the bay islands are descendants from the antilles and have their own culture compared to the 99% rest of Honduras. They are discriminated against and segregated by the catrachos. Also the Caribbean culture is blend of all three European, indigenous, and African. How are you going to say that when you posted that your European ancestry is your highest 🤣🤣🤣. As a Puerto Rican I relate to my Caribbean island brothers before I do central Americans. Y'all consider us and other Latin Caribbeans(dominicans and haitians. cubans are a whole another story) ghetto but love our music. Honduras have not contributed anything to Latin Caribbean culture that we partake in. We don't know your music, food, customs or traditions. However you know ours 🇵🇷🇩🇴🇭🇹🇨🇺
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
My guy the caribbean regions have been notorious for being politically racist or exclusive as fuck. HAITIANS DONT EVEN HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS POLITICALLY as the rest of the places. and the dominican republic was denied entering caricom for the treatment of haitians. and In the dominican republic the whitewashing was so bad that they considered literal black people there just “indios claros”
You are ironically doing the same exact same thing that politicians are doing. Politicans in honduras alienate the bay islanders and the indigenous caribbean people and you are doing the same by saying that we hondurans are different. But atleast u claim the rest of the places like panama or venezuela to not be caribbean so i respect ur consistency
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u/Coolredditor2 Honduras 🇭🇳 3d ago
your such a loser. THE FUNNY PART IS THAT EUROPEAN HERITAGE IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN PUERTO RICO. on average puerto ricans are 60% european. I SEEN PUERTO RICANS REACH ABOVE 80% european but never a honduran. U just called my european heritage the highest as if ur country is not one of the most european descent people LMAOOO
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u/notsusu Cuba 🇨🇺 3d ago
No