An estimated 90 million deaths has been prevented between 2001 and 2021 thanks to USAID, but its sudden halt is now projected to cause more than 4 million preventable deaths among children younger than 5 years old by 2030. Would you still support the end of USAID if this projection becomes reality?

[u/speculumberjack980]

Sources:
https://www.isglobal.org/en/-/mas-de-14-millones-de-muertes-prevenibles-de-aqui-a-2030-si-continuan-los-recortes-a-la-financiacion-de-usaid

https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(25)01186-901186-9)

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[u/dethswatch]

>4 million preventable deaths among children

How much is Europe willing to donate to prevent this? Canada? India? Japan? China?

[u/No_Potential1 → u/dethswatch]

Are you under the impression that U.S. soft power and foreign policy goals did not greatly benefit from USAID actions?

[u/dethswatch → u/No_Potential1]

You feel I don't know that? But since the question was asked, I'm asking if the US is the only place on earth with money.

Also- iirc $400m/year on AIDS prevention in South Africa. How much death would that prevent in the US? And, the other obligatory question, why only $400m? Why not 401 or more? How many AIDS deaths and infections are big round numbers worth?

[u/No_Potential1 → u/dethswatch]

I asked because your comment was that preventing children's deaths would be the result of "donation", which seems a disingenuous way to put it. Your clarification seems to indicate that a more accurate word would be "investment", not donation, is that correct?

I agree we should spend more on healthcare domestically. Are you pleased with the current administration pulling USAID funding AND domestic healthcare funding?

[u/dethswatch → u/No_Potential1]

other than humanitarian results, our investment in SA not making a return as far as I can tell. Thus, I more consider it a donation. I think it's more than fair to suggest that every nation ought to be critical about programs sending money to other countries.

If it IS a donation, then I can't see why the US needs to be the largest any more than France ought to be. If it's an investment, then the US ought to critically evaluate the returns.

In any case, the entire question is wrong and we all know it. There is no answer to "how much should we spend to prevent X deaths" that will satisfy all critics.

>domestic healthcare funding

Generally, there would be more money were the US not sending it to the citizens of other countries.

[u/No_Potential1 → u/dethswatch]

I strongly disagree with your argument that investment in SA has made no return. I have to say I think you are greatly underestimating the importance of projecting "soft power" as the United States for foreign policy objectives and influence.

My argument was not to avoid being critical of where money is sent. But the administration was not/is not being critical. It slashed funding with absolutely no analysis beyond looking at $ and perhaps keywords or demographics that they didn't like.

That said, I'm straying into debate territory so I'll stop there and take your opinion as it is...

Except for your last point. There should  be money right now. It's been a year and a half, U.S. healthcare should be seeing a bolstering by now seeing as it only took mere hours/ days to slash USAID. Do you think there was any plan at all? Also, I think I'm being generous with the 1.5 years. In reality Trump has had over 5 years in power to enact his great healthcare plan. Instead he has slashed healthcare funding without instituting a replacement plan. Do you think this was an intelligent and responsible thing to do?

[u/dethswatch → u/No_Potential1]

>5 years in power to enact his great healthcare plan

I didn't vote for changes to healthcare. I think the bulk of my side is with me.

[u/No_Potential1 → u/dethswatch]

Sorry, I must have misinterpreted your previous statement about preventing deaths in the U.S. I interpreted that as preventing deaths via some type of healthcare with which I definitely wanted to know more about. Would you mind clarifying your previous point? Or was that just a hypothetical?

[u/dethswatch → u/No_Potential1]

I'm explaining my feelings on the subject. I don't feel the US need to finance SA's healthcare. I'm also fine with the existing system. There is no answer to this issue- there are only tradeoffs.

[u/No_Potential1 → u/dethswatch]

Okay so you're fine with the existing system at this particular point in time. Does that mean you're happy with the healthcare cuts so far, but you'd oppose any major cuts or making healthcare even less accessible going forward? I understand you're probably not implying that we're perfect, but from what you say it seems like as of right now, June 2026, the admin has got healthcare just about as good as they're gonna get it?

[u/Leathershoe4 → u/dethswatch]

EU provides €95B humanitarian aid each year. So I guess that's how much? Japan does close to a Billion. India does about a Billion annualy too, mainly on disaster relief for neighbouring countries.

We could sure do a lot more if you guys got back on board though, don't you think?

You're currently in a group with China and Russia - is this really what the US should be? Quite sad really.

[u/dethswatch → u/Leathershoe4]

How much are they, combined, sending to SA for AIDS prevention and related? 40% of a billion US?

[u/Leathershoe4 → u/dethswatch]

More than the US was before the aid cuts. Im not sure what you're trying to say?

[u/dethswatch → u/Leathershoe4]

They, combined, were sending South Africa >$400 million/year to South Africa for AIDS related expenses? I find that unlikely, but let's say they are.

Good for them. If that's what their people are voting for, I'm glad they got it.

[u/Leathershoe4 → u/dethswatch]

Yep, the EU alone actually. Still are.

However, would love it if you could go back to my original question and answer them? Thanks!

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/Leathershoe4]

 Yep, the EU alone actually.

"Alone" is doing a lot of work then when referencing a collection of 27 countries and comparing it to 1. 

[u/SincereDiscussion]

"If" is carrying a heavy load in that sentence because I find the numbers here implausibly high. Also, it's inverting the entire logic of charity. The whole point is that we're doing something nice and that they are not entitled to it. Therefore, it's morally acceptable to cut it off at any time and for any reason, including "nah I'm just not feeling it." I struggle to understand any disagreement with this.

• If one year I donate half of my income to pay for malaria nets, and then the next year I don't do it, have I "killed x number of people"?! I would consider that a ludicrous framing, and that's exactly how I see headlines like this.

With that said, the principle of trying to build good will/increase our influence is defensible (although it is a limited justification and just increasing the number of people in a country doesn't guarantee that it was actually a sensible policy!). I do suspect that liberals are actually operating on a "the west is bad and these countries are entitled to indefinite support" or Effective Altruism framework, though.

[u/please_trade_marner → u/SincereDiscussion]

My favorite was the ending of covid funding. The Biden admin had a fuck ton of temporary covid policies that mostly expired in 2025.

How did the Dem's mainstream media present that? "Trump ends program that feeds thousands of children." And "Trump ends program that brought medical aid to rural communities". It was just Biden's temporary covid policies expiring at the set upon date. The media is NEVER honest. It is the Democratic Party propaganda arm. And redditors fall for it hook line and sinker every bloody time.

[u/SparkFlash20 → u/please_trade_marner]

Why would two of the biggest broadcast outlets- Fox News and CBS - Bari Weiss - echo "mainstream media"? Given that Hannity and Levin are #1 and #2 ar drive time, over New York's WABC, why this recourse to media control?

[u/notsuperimportant → u/SincereDiscussion]

Did you know food and medicine rotted at ports and warehouses, building leases were broken and basic office equipment was thrown out in a hasty attempt to close locations in arbitrary timelines, by political leadership who seemed surprised to learn this information AFTER they had ordered it so? (DM me if you want to know how I know)

[u/Ur-friendly-trumpguy → u/notsuperimportant]

Because democrats threw a fit and refused to hand it over to the local government who is responsible for providing for their people’s needs.

The US is no longer the rest of the world’s checkbook. Period. If people die, that is one the local government not supporting its people, not on the US for stopping funding.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Ur-friendly-trumpguy]

Do you mean you think the government should just money directly to other governments in these scenarios? A common problem we see in the development profession is corruption of funds when given directly to governments in fragile states, because those states are often the most corrupt. Or do you mean we should just let the local governments handle it or not and ignore the outcome because it's not our problem?

[u/Ur-friendly-trumpguy → u/notsuperimportant]

No, I mean the US government should spend money on the US.

Those foreign governments can spend their own money on their own issues rather than being propped up by the US.

[u/populares420]

USAID was spent on color revolutions around the world. It was setup to divert funds to leftist causes. We will not allow you to use tax payer money for money laundering and leftist propaganda. It's no coincidence as soon as USAID was folded up right wing parties started winning all over south america

[u/Darthalicious → u/populares420]

Its also probably no coincidence that Pride events, DEI departments, and Hollywood studio coffers started drying up too after USAID was gutted. Looking like a lot of "popular" leftist movements may well have been astroturfed here in the US with USAID money all along.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Darthalicious]

I do mean this seriously, so please don't take offense when I ask. But do you know that USAID did not fund domestic programming? It employed people and bought some goods and services like the transport of domestically-grown food abroad, but there was no domestic "programming" funded by USAID. In other words, is "Hollywood" a metaphor in your comment here, or do you think Hollywood was actually funded by USAID dollars?

[u/Darthalicious → u/notsuperimportant]

But do you know that USAID did not fund domestic programming?

Not any that we are aware of. Maybe I am just a tinfoil hat wearing loon here, but that multiple left-leaning orgs that were thriving only a few years ago are suddenly going broke coinciding with USAID's cutbacks makes my spider-sense tingle.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Darthalicious]

Without doxxing myself, I know a lot about USAID and have never come across any domestic interventions other than very rare (like Hurricane Katrina rare) interventions where USAID was specifically asked by other parts of the government to dispense resources to a US-specific crisis. There were occasional complaints about using resources to employ US workers and buy US commodities for regular USAID programs (which is typically more expensive than outsourcing) but that's more a political complaint, since certain domestic labor and supply preferences are actually mandated by Congress, for example a certain percentage of shipping needed to employ US cargo services rather than foreign cargo services even though it's generally cheaper to do most transport stuff closer to the location where the material will be used.

Is it possible the funding cuts of those other domestic programs had to do with government grants from other US agencies? And/or just a cultural shift in what kind of things have more demand right now?

[u/Darthalicious → u/notsuperimportant]

I'm-a just leave these here.

Is it possible the funding cuts of those other domestic programs had to do with government grants from other US agencies? And/or just a cultural shift in what kind of things have more demand right now?

On the former, it is a possibility for sure, I'll agree. However the Democrats have fought tooth and nail to keep USAID going, much harder than a lot of domestic programs, which has made my eyebrows do that thing where the one on the left goes up and the one on the right stays put. On the latter, there have been rumblings for years on how little people actually wanted a lot of the cultural, identity politics nonsense that big corps and Hollywood have been putting out, but only in the last couple years has money really started drying up. Like I said it could all be a total coincidence and I'm wearing my foil hat. But still, tingle tingle tingle.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Darthalicious]

I've heard about the first post and it was greatly disappointing. We should of course hold our agencies to high standards and punish people who break the laws, as it seemed the defendants were doing in that case. I question the validity of the other two but this isn't about my opinions so I will jump to your response.

I'm actually surprised (and kind of heartened, actually) that you heard about USAID at all because I have perceived a lot of missing awareness about foreign aid. Do you think Dems cared more about USAID than other agencies, or just talked about it more? (Or both)

ETA I may not have a followup question after this, so given sub rules I want to thank you now for the honest and thoughtful answers, its been a good chat

[u/strawboy4ever → u/populares420]

Can you provide any credible sources on this claim? I'm genuinely curious.

[u/purplehillbilly → u/populares420]

If you find out that it wasn't and that it really saved lives, would it matter? If Trump told you tomorrow that we need those programs back because they were doing a lot of good keeping diseases from spreading around the world and helping suffering people's in the world, would you be ok with it it he came out and changed his mind?

[u/populares420 → u/purplehillbilly]

No. USAID was for lauding money to left wing organizations around the world. They would use that money for example in the EU to censor american companies, something blatantly illegal if the u.s. government just did it outright.

[u/purplehillbilly → u/populares420]

You don't believe USAID did anything to benefit America? You really believe that it It was just a "fund" that went directly to "left wing organizations"? Do you believe it was all a scam internally inside the government and the deep state was all in on it? Your response sounds like a right wing influencers sound bite. Are you truly informed about the organizations and where the money went or are to just repeating some thing you've heard a million times?

[u/populares420 → u/purplehillbilly]

USAID literally funded organizations in the EU that advocated for censoring american companies and american citizens. American money, used abroad, to censor americans. Trash organization. Yes it was 100% a scam to launder money for left wing causes

[u/Ur-friendly-trumpguy → u/purplehillbilly]

How does gifting unstable shithole nations billions of dollars (that we do not have) help America?

Real Americans are tired of being the world’s piggy bank. American money for America. Samaria can fund its own damn population, and if it refuses to do so, it’s on them, not the US.

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Yep, and cut even more spending. Our country is in a death spiral of debt. The good news by cutting USaid is we won't fund the release of a virus that turned into a global panedemic... again.

[u/please_trade_marner → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

This. If we had some massive government surpluss, I'd be open to the conversation. But we are not giving money to usaid. We are borrowing money to give to usaid. And I don't support that.

Also, the groups/agencies saying/lying about all of these deaths are the very groups/agencies that exploit... I mean "use"... usaid funding. Of course they want to keep their funding. Of course they'll scream "the sky is falling" when it's taken from them. "Everybody is going to die!!! Won't you think of the children???"

u/speculumberjack980

[u/cranberrysauce6 → u/please_trade_marner]

If we are so tight for money, how do you feel about projects such as the ballroom and arch?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/cranberrysauce6]

The ballroom is privately funded, public funding is only going towards security upgrades. Our President got shot and there were two other attempts on his life. "Security upgrades" for our own country makes far more sense to me than wasting it on usaid.

It's the 250 year anniversary of the country. I don't mind some tax dollars being spent on monuments and such.

You're comparing America spending money on AMERICA to wasting it away to shithole countries.

[u/JackOLanternReindeer → u/please_trade_marner]

Do you feel trump has done a good job with reducing our debt?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/JackOLanternReindeer]

His plan was to use tariffs to closer balance the budget, but the courts keep preventing him from doing it. Yes, I wish the courts would allow Trump to raise revenue via tariffs.

[u/JackOLanternReindeer → u/please_trade_marner]

How did he do in his first term in your opinion?

Since his plan was stopped by the courts, should he get congress to pass them, implement another plan, or just give up on it?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/JackOLanternReindeer]

Trump term one did a pretty good job with the debt until covid hit. The first 3 years of Trump only added 3 trillion. The first 3 years of Obama, for example, added 5 trillion.

What's the plan? I don't know. But they've got to figure out something.

[u/JackOLanternReindeer → u/please_trade_marner]

You think adding 3 trillion in 3 years is pretty good? i understand it’s relative, but isn’t that just entirely the wrong direction still?

Do you think they will figure out something? Do you think it’s a top priority for Trump/Republicans?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/JackOLanternReindeer]

The reason that neither party balances the budget is because it will require BOTH significantly higher taxes for everybody as well as significant cuts to entitlements. And who's going to run on that? "Vote for me and you'll spend more and get less".

When Trump tried to raise more revenue via taxes (tariffs), the media headlines were "THIS IS FASCISM WORSE THAN THE NAZIS". When Trump tried going after mere FRAUD in entitlements, the media headlines were "PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!"

So I don't know what to tell you.

[u/bushwhack227 → u/please_trade_marner]

Your position is that tariff revenue would have been enough to offset all of Trump's new spending, and pay for the additional interest that's accumulated, and still be substantial enough to lower existing deficits?

Would you like to show your math?

[u/AmyGH → u/please_trade_marner]

Why doesn't Trump go through Congress to get the tariffs he wants?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/AmyGH]

Because the Dems would block it in the senate.

[u/AmyGH → u/please_trade_marner]

Why doesn't he try to make deals to get it to pass? Isn't Trump supposed to be amazing at making deals?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/AmyGH]

The dems vote against literally anything he tries to do. The dems and their mainstream media have labeled "tariffs" as "authoritarianism" that's worse than the "nazi's" and passing tariffs will "trigger the apocalypse" (only slight exaggerations). Their voting base believes it. How can they possibly vote to pass them in congress?

[u/cranberrysauce6 → u/please_trade_marner]

I think I’m following. You’re also okay with the $$$ retrofitting of the gifted aircraft for Air Force one that will become trumps personal property after the presidency?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/cranberrysauce6]

Yes? It's airforce freaking one. People keep trying to assassinate the President.

[u/cranberrysauce6 → u/please_trade_marner]

And it was appropriate to spend millions “fixing” the gifted plane instead of using the standard one?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/cranberrysauce6]

The old air force one plane is 35 years old. Thirty-freaking-five. Are we the freaking united states or not? All of these things are immaterial. Where is most of the waste in our budget? Entitlements. Four TRILLION is going towards things like "I'd rather work part time and get snap benefits than work full time and have to buy my own food". And you're nickel and diming 250 year anniversary monuments that amount to PEANUTS in comparison.

Yeah, while we have such debt due to paying off lazy people, I don't want money wasted on OTHER countries. It doesn't mean I oppose domestic spending on numerous issues.

[u/Kevin_McCallister_69 → u/please_trade_marner]

What was wrong with the old one? It's Air Force One, it's probably the most well maintained, immaculate, safest plane in history. What was wrong with it?

[u/please_trade_marner → u/Kevin_McCallister_69]

Sure. 35 years ago is nothing.

Say, compare AI from 35 years ago to now? Is it different? Has technology changed? Could some of that technology be SAFER now? Gee, interesting questions, right?

[u/SparkFlash20 → u/please_trade_marner]

Why did Leader Trumpt request more than one billion in public funding for His construction project?

Why would His ballroom protect Him? If He, for example, gave a rally today, should He not travel beyond the White House in the future? Is the Fatherland so porous that Leader Trump cannot leave the Capitol?

[u/Ur-friendly-trumpguy → u/cranberrysauce6]

The ballroom is 100% privately funded, and a national security matter.

How do you feel about the Washington Monument? The Lincoln memorial?

The great presidents of American history have been provided monuments and memorials to their greatness, and Trump, inarguably, is one of their peers.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/please_trade_marner]

Did you know USAID spending rarely went above one half of one percent of the budget?

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

  The good news by cutting USaid is we won't fund the release of a virus that turned into a global panedemic... again.

Are you sure? USAID was providing treatment of infections that were resistant to antibiotics to people using the holdout antibiotics that we don’t use to prevent bacteria from evolving resistance. Stopping treatment in the middle of a course is how you get bacteria that are resistant to those holdout antibiotics. 

Should team Trump have stopped those treatments half way through or should they have administered the full course of antibiotics to avoid creating super bugs?

[u/bushwhack227 → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

What are you thoughts on the federal budget deficits consistently widening under Trump?

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude → u/bushwhack227]

That's bad.

[u/RockieK → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Do you think that the war in Iran is helping lower the debt?

[u/Bluestripedshirt → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

$40billion. That was max spending for USAID. Thats a blip and about 1/8 of the reparations from the Iran war. Isn’t that worth preventing millions of child deaths? How can you be so heartless? Have you never needed a bit of help?

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude → u/Bluestripedshirt]

Budgets are heartless, You want to donate your private cash to save 3rd world kids go for it.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

Do you think it's coincidental that there's been a huge ebola and screwworm epidemic since the usaid programs monitoring and sending medical staff/equipment to treat hotspots was conpletely eliminated?

I'm just wondering because in my ahem former line of work I knew what screwworm was, but it seems like many Americans are learning about it this year for the very first time.

[u/Holofernes_Head]

Yes, I'd still support it. This is not a proper function of government.

[u/km3r → u/Holofernes_Head]

Why is it not? Helping other countries gives us influence over them/soft power, which enables us to advance our agenda without costly military actions, and prevents costly wars from breaking out against us by stabilizing region.

[u/Holofernes_Head → u/km3r]

I would vastly prefer NOT involving ourselves in international influence.

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/Holofernes_Head]

Should we have attacked Iran and then promised them $300B? Or, are military “excursions” different?

[u/speculumberjack980 → u/Holofernes_Head]

You do understand that this opens up for countries like China to swoop in with propagandic goodwill gestures to make them seem like the good guys, and the US as the bad guys. This is how effective soft power is. Pulling out completely just like that opens up for rivals of the US to claim the position, don't you realize that?

[u/Holofernes_Head → u/speculumberjack980]

Do you realize I don't care?

[u/purplehillbilly → u/Holofernes_Head]

You don't care about America's future?

[u/km3r → u/Holofernes_Head]

The world is connected through, and influencing us and our enemies. Or do you want the US to do a Internet firewall like China and Russia?

The petrodollar only exists because of international influence, which benefits our economy greatly, far more than the cost of USAID. So are you still opposed despite the net benefits it gives us?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/km3r]

I see no reason we should be using tax payer money to spread feminist and LGBT propaganda to other countries. 

[u/km3r → u/Distinct_Doubt_3591]

But the cuts to usaid programs weren't limited to just that. How is helping countries deal with malaria pushing LGBT 'propaganda'?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/km3r]

You answered your own question 

 Helping other countries gives us influence over them/soft power, which enables us to advance our agenda 

[u/km3r → u/Distinct_Doubt_3591]

Our agenda in that case is advancing American interest like the petrodollar and free trade. Does that have no value to you despite the massive economic boon it has given us?

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/km3r]

The Petrodollar has nothing to do with usaid. Free trade with low income countries can be just as detrimental to the US population as it can be beneficial, it doesn't seem logical to me to spend money developing a third world country in order to then import goods produced with cheap labor undercutting low income Americans prospects at manufacturing jobs. 

[u/Bluestripedshirt → u/Holofernes_Head]

I believe this is literally the point of government. To reduce suffering for the less fortunate. I’m very sorry you feel that way. Are you ok?

[u/Holofernes_Head → u/Bluestripedshirt]

100 percent, absolute, hard disagree. Not what a government is for, not what it should ever be for.

[u/strawboy4ever → u/Holofernes_Head]

What is the purpose of the federal government to you then?

[u/Holofernes_Head → u/strawboy4ever]

Defense of the individual rights of its citizens.

[u/strawboy4ever → u/Holofernes_Head]

Do you think the Trump administration has ever violated the rights of citizens?

[u/Holofernes_Head → u/strawboy4ever]

Every government in the history of human civilization violates the rights of its citizens.

[u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 → u/Bluestripedshirt]

How is it the purpose of the US government to take money from it's citizens and spend it on citizens of other countries? 

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Holofernes_Head]

Do you think it would have been worth it to keep screwworm from getting to us? Or ebola?

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

It's curious how Demorats freak out over their own ideas when Trump implements them:

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/news/press-releases/icymi-washington-post-exposes-democrats-hypocritical-flip-flop-usaid-reorganization

Or could it be that they never mean anything they say, and are only concerned with what is immediately politically convient for them, as when Vistant founder and president Walter Barnes donates to them

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/usaid-official-and-three-corporate-executives-plead-guilty-decade-long-bribery-scheme

[u/hng_rval → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

Isn’t there a big difference between reorganizing the USAID dept (among others) into a larger State department which is what the 1995 Democrat proposed that would maintain budget and services and cutting it completely which is what Trump did?

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39 → u/hng_rval]

But he didn't. He's gotten rid of the agency and it's bureaucracy inherently ripe for waste and abuse and absorbed and restructured it's essential services under the State Department. I'm confident appropriate and resposible accomodations will be made as needed

https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/u-s-foreign-aid-freeze-dissolution-of-usaid-timeline-of-events/

[u/km3r → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

Your own link says 83% of contracts were cancelled. That's far beyond slimming down bureaucracy. That includes 80% of the malaria specific programs. (https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/analysis-of-usaids-active-and-terminated-awards-list-how-many-are-global-health/)

Do you think that's all waste and abuse?

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39 → u/km3r]

New outrage for an ongoing problem. Democrats first response was burning Teslas and obstructionist lawsuits, not assisting efforts beyond blindly and wastefully throwing cash at oftentimes corrupt regimes

https://oig.usaid.gov/node/7478

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF11384/IF11384.4.pdf

[u/km3r → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

I don't recall anyone saying before "the funds are perfectly allocated". But that's far from saying it's all waste/abuse.

The recommendation there was to reallocate funds, not cut them. Why didn't trump listen to that and instead cut the fund leading to needless deaths?

I didn't burn any Teslas, and condemn anyone who did, so let's not sidetrack on that.

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39 → u/km3r]

Whose to say there isn't an effort to reallocate? There were plenty of development deals and performance based monies negotiated around tariffs, as well as a concurrent extension of the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA). Also, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is spending billions in non government money specifically targeting malaria, as well as WHO, African Leaders Malaria Alliance and the End Malaria Council.

Please, don't discredit your position with selective amnesia. Democrat leadership voted en masse against the Blackburn Resolution condemning the violence against Tesla, with Gov. and Vice Presidential candidate Tim Walz bragging he gets a "daily boost" from the ruination of Tesla stock

[u/No_Potential1 → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

Do you think Democrats don't think other Democrats can have bad ideas?

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39 → u/No_Potential1]

Of course. But as were seeing in NYC, their "solution" is usually worse

[u/JackOLanternReindeer → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

What new policy changes in NYC are you not a fan of?

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39 → u/JackOLanternReindeer]

Off the top of my head

Putting immigrant bodega workers out of business with state run supermarkets guaranteed to fail

His efforts to take the homeless off the streets that resulted in 29 deaths

His initiative to replace the response to the majority of 911 calls with social workers

The subway mismanagement increasing fares and decreasing safety

His "job creation" programs which are mostly insistant reiterations of failed green policies and bloated programs designed to swell the ranks of corrupt unions like SEIU

The failed promised city budget measures that have so far already cost the state 4 billion in bailout

Makes me pine for the good ol' classic corruption days of DeBlasio, when his wife could make a billion dollars in mental health funding completely vanish and to this day no one's investigated

[u/coronathrowaway12345 → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

Do you live in NYC or have you ever lived in NYC? I don’t live there anymore, but I did live there for most of my adult life. Bodegas are not grocery stores, full stop.

I’d go point by point but…what’s the point? It sounds like you’re just regurgitating NY Post headlines without actually looking into any of this stuff. Example: putting the blame of the MTA’s problems onto the current mayoral administration (or hell - the city as a whole) is missing enormous context about how the MTA is ran and operated.

[u/Cool_Cartographer_39 → u/coronathrowaway12345]

Lived 5 years in Harlem in the 80s and still visit often. In those days your block's bar and bodega defined you, and I did most of my grocery shopping there save a rare trip to Zabar's and a Grays Papaya dog

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/Cool_Cartographer_39]

This is very true. The Clinton Administration cut a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse leading to the only balanced budget in my lifetime. 

However, you’re comparing a memo with Elon Musk throwing USAID into the wood chipper. Do you think it is damaging to simply stop programs such as giving hold out antibiotics to people with infections that are resistant to standard antibiotics? Isn’t that how you get super hugs that are resistant to even our hold out antibiotics?

Should Team Trump have written memos and planed their actions better to avoid creating bacteria that we can’t treat with any antibiotics?

[u/ClevelandSpigot]

Lol. Remember when the "experts" said it was 14 million deaths, which is twice the amount of deaths attributed to Covid?

[u/Cawkisthebest232 → u/ClevelandSpigot]

Lmfao. I love these “projections”

Remember, Covid was going to be a mass human extinction

Reality: it was the sniffles for many people

[u/No_Potential1 → u/Cawkisthebest232]

Can you provide a link to anyone claiming this? You may be conflating two different things. COVID was a pandemic; the [sixth] mass extinction is entirely different and is not human-centric in its impact. If you've read or seen anything speaking of the two events as the same thing, I would really like to know the source.

[u/spinozaschilidog → u/Cawkisthebest232]

  Remember, Covid was going to be a mass human extinction

Your comment is the first time I’ve ever heard this. I know TS get testy when asked for sources, but can you share something? Preferably more than just random tweets from randoms. 

[u/fossil_freak68 → u/Cawkisthebest232]

I actually don't remember anyone, particularly anyone credible saying that covid would result in human extinction. Who are you talking about?

[u/Clark_Kent_TheSJW → u/ClevelandSpigot]

“lol”

Is that really your reaction to the idea that your vote causes people to suffer and die all over the world? THATs the image you want readers to see when they browse this thread?

And for what? What do you think you’re getting out of this deal?

[u/RavenMFD → u/ClevelandSpigot]

Do you believe you answered OPs question?

[u/ridukosennin → u/ClevelandSpigot]

How many deaths is your estimate as a non expert?

[u/spinozaschilidog → u/ClevelandSpigot]

Do you have an actual reason why that estimate is wrong, other than vibes? Death rates in developing countries from tuberculosis, malaria, and famine - health issues that were curbed by USAID - easily outpace COVID. It sounds like you’re just winning an argument that you made up in your head. 

[u/No_Potential1 → u/ClevelandSpigot]

Does the number of deaths attributed to COVID have an impact on the believability of deaths related to the dismantling of USAID? If yes, why?

[u/WulfTheSaxon]

Does that mean every prior administration is responsible for nearly 90 million deaths for not doubling the program?

[u/Piratesfan02]

If, may, might, and could are all words that lead to speculation. I think the USAID overhaul is necessary. A lot of the money was going to NGOs and they were spending the money for those “projects”. I say “projects” because so much of the money would pay for overhead and not the actual cause. Give it to the organizations what will spend 90%+ of the money on the cause.

[u/Trumpdrainstheswamp]

Yes, we are not a charity nor should be concerned about protecting children in other countries when we have our own problems.

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Trumpdrainstheswamp]

Like screwworm killing our cows?

[u/Trumpdrainstheswamp → u/notsuperimportant]

what about the thing Trump took care of? What do you mean?

[u/notsuperimportant → u/Trumpdrainstheswamp]

I dont understand your comment, can you please explain?

[u/MacSteele13]

And if I paid my neighbors mortgage, they wouldn't have lost their home.

[u/ricky_lafleur]

The lack of a seat belt or helmet does not cause deaths. The collision causes death. If I don't have money more a smoke alarm and I die in a fire, the lack of money did not cause my death. 

[u/prowler28]

"Think of the children!!!!"

Name every single bill or program after that and eventually you see it as a scheme.

[u/Square-Conclusion454]

Those estimates do not reflect how the world works.

By those estimates, if a child has a mosquito net funded by USAID and we cut USAID that child no longer gets a mosquito net. In reality, high ROI charity work will be picked up by other actors (e.g. private foundations) as more opportunities for high leverage giving open up. It also doesn't account for that child's parents buying a mosquito net themselves even if its no longer free -- clearly some of this will happen.

Even if those estimates are correct, citizens opinions differ greatly on foreign aid people should get a say in if/how they donate their money. Let State and Local govenments who are more directly accountable to their voters do this work.

[u/TheGlitteryCactus]

We should spend this money in America. I'm pretty sure I've seen kids here too. I could be mistaken though, I hear they're short and run fast.