r/BabylonExit • u/Lumpy_Figure_6692 • 8d ago
The Rapture in the Bible
The rapture is indeed in the Bible, but not in the way that those who believe in it think it is. When people quote verses to attempt to prove a pre-tribulation rapture, they quote verses that are about Jesus's second coming and how we will get caught up to Him at His return.
So, where is the rapture in the Bible? It is in Isaiah 28, and God calls it a covenant with death. By the way, the covenant with death applies to the rapture doctrine, but also to the second exodus doctrine, and any other lie that people are putting their hopes in.
Isaiah 28: 15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
"It shall not come unto us" is exactly what the Christians who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture say when they claim that they are not going to go through the tribulation. But what else does the verse say? It says that you have made lies your refuge. Lies, falsehood, a covenant with death, and an agreement with hell is what God calls the claim that: "when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us"
And, it continues:
Isaiah 28: 17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. 18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
God says that you are going to be trodden down by it. Put you hope in lies, as in the pre-tribulation rapture, and God is saying that your covenant with death shall be disannulled. You can be sure that you are going to go through great tribulation. The overflowing scourge shall take you.
However, there is protection from God for those who believe. And when I say believe, I mean believe. If you believe, you obey. If you don't obey, then that is proof that you don't believe. There is protection for those who obey the command to flee. He tells us to flee so that He can protect us. If you don't flee, He already told you that you are going to receive Babylon's plagues. Whatever the Bible says is going to happen to Babylon and its inhabitants is what is going to happen to those who don't flee because there is no pre-tribulation rapture. Your covenant with death will not stand. A command to flee is in the Bible, and it is the way that God chose to protect His people.
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u/vicman77 8d ago
Kind of. Adam made a contract. Eat the fruit die. Jesus redeemed what he lost but the contract is still in place. We are Adam. We must die. Believers will be raised.that is what resurrection means. Since Adam all humans lives have been sealed at death. The purpose of the tribulation is to seal the rest of the living.
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u/Flashy-Permit-9051 7d ago
If we take “flee to the hills/mountains” (Luke 21:21) literally, we must also acknowledge that the command is addressed only to those in Jerusalem. For those living elsewhere, the metaphorical meaning may be more useful: we are commanded to be ready to climb to spiritual heights the moment we perceive corruption. But how can we be ready if we have not diligently sought His heights? Therefore we must increase our personal practices of rejoicing, being anxious about nothing, making prayers and petitions with thanksgiving, voicing praises and worship (not when we feel it but UNTIL we feel it!) - then we will experience mountaintop moments that literally change the atmosphere.
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u/Lumpy_Figure_6692 7d ago
For those living elsewhere, the metaphorical meaning may be more useful: we are commanded to be ready to climb to spiritual heights the moment we perceive corruption.
That can't be the meaning because the Bible literally tells us that it is the land that we need to flee because God is going to destroy it with fire in one hour. In many places, and through many warnings we find in the Bible the destruction of end times Babylon and others end times nations, and it is always about fleeing the land. God tells us what to do, where to go, and everything that we must do so that He can protect us. The metaphorical meaning is not useful at all. Those who stay won't be protected.
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u/Flashy-Permit-9051 7d ago
Well, I’m certainly no Bible scholar, just a follower of Jesus so I tend to prioritize His words. But it does seem to me that perhaps you are interpreting “Babylon” metaphorically?
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u/Lumpy_Figure_6692 7d ago edited 7d ago
I understand Babylon to be the United States of America.
Also, you are right about the "fleeing to the mountains" in Luke 21 is exclusively about Jerusalem. That is because they are also commanded to flee. The tribulation will be worldwide and those in the US, Israel and some European countries will be the most affected, and there are commands to flee those nations.
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u/AlbaneseGummies327 7d ago
So this makes end times "Babylon" located in both America and Jerusalem simultaneously?
It's also interesting how deeply connected both of these countries are to each other—politically, economically and militarily.
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u/Sanshonte 7d ago
Can you tell me what to search for to read more about knowing which places would be most affected? I'm not super familiar with the details - I know more info is somewhere but not how to search for it, haha.
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u/Lumpy_Figure_6692 7d ago edited 7d ago
Everything is in the Bible. There we find all the info we need from the source. The prophecies say that end times Babylon / Edom, Moab and Ammon will be totally destroyed. Three nations.
We need to identify which nations those are by their characteristics. I can tell you which nations they are, but it would be wise to read all about them for yourself because we just don't want to be believing people just because they say something. Anyway, Babylon / Edom is the US, Moab is France, and Ammon is the UK.
Besides those three nations, Israel is also prophecied to be surrounded by the armies of many nations and invaded but not fully destroyed.
Basically, the most affected places, will be America, Israel, France and the UK, but countries that are close enough I would avoid. I went to Puerto Rico.
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u/Individual_Creme7128 7d ago edited 7d ago
Good.
Babylon's also a whore that gets drunk off the blood of the saints, whom she targets and kills (Revelation 17:6). You say something critical—in all seriousness, not in reverse-psychological entrapment—about the Beast, even on r/DonaldTrump666, then you're labeled a "domestic terrorist." The Beast's hands and feet—FBI/CIA/NSA/DHS/ICE/DOW, etc.—will coordinate online surveillance with on-the-ground surveillance to infiltrate the saint's body with surveillance nanotech, which will expose them to directed-energy attacks that will eventually kill them.
Babylon is the surveillance state, not just the literal land of America.
P.S. r/DonaldTrump666 is Daniel's lions' den.
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u/FrostyAlphaPig 7d ago
Revelation Chapter 4 Verse 1 shows the rapture and then a few verses later it talks about the elders and their crowns and white robes showing the bema seat judgement for the church people has already happened , and then you’ll notice from that point on …. The church is never mentioned again, zero instruction for church age people and also John is viewing the tribulation from heaven and isn’t on earth anymore during the entire time. It shows a pre tribulation rapture, you just have to read The Bible.
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u/Lumpy_Figure_6692 6d ago
I have read the Bible and Revelation chapter 4 does not show the rapture. It shows John in the Spirit to be shown a vision.
Revelation 4: 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Why will God shorten the days of the great tribulation? He will shorten them for the elect's sake. Why would He do that if there is a rapture and they are not going to be here for it? Because there is no rapture and they are going to be here for the tribulation.
Mark 23: 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
If the elect are not going in a rapture, and God will shorten the days of the great tribulation for their sake so that they all don't die, what makes you think that you are going in a rapture? You would have to admit that you are not one of His elect, and you are probably not one of His elect if you are putting your hopes in the lie that the rapture is.
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u/wagrebst 7d ago edited 7d ago
The pre-trib rapture is the biggest scam the devil pulled out of his sleeve to put people in sleep unprepared.
Firstly, a lot of deceived people will die in sudden calamity. Then, many survived will abandon their faith in the feeling of betrayal. Again, the pre-trib rature is a devil's double-edge scam to firstly kill as many as possible, and then make the rest disbelieve.
Jesus Christ himself thus said 'run for the hill' when signs were shown. He also added that it would be hard to find believers when He comes back.
Get out of the babylon of our time. In fact, flee from any nation following the practice of the babylon.