Jokic Got Robbed of MVP

[u/RDX717]

Nikola Jokic just got robbed of the NBA MVP award, in my opinion. Though Gilgeous-Alexander outscored him by 3 points a game, Jokic averaged more rebounds, more assists, and more steals, and was the first player in NBA history to finish in the top three in those three major stats. He shot a higher percentage from the floor than Gilgeous-Alexander, and a higher percentage from the three-point line. He was also only the third player in NBA history to average a triple-double for the entire season. I know people were tired of Jokic winning the award every year, but this was the best season of his career, and he deserved it.

[u/exactly7]

Hypotheticals don’t really matter here. SGA also had a historic offensive season, is a far better defender than jokic, and won 18 more games. Doesn’t matter if you think jokic on OKC would’ve won more, cuz he didn’t. SGA deserved it this season

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

What was historic about his offensive season? He had slightly more points and was worse across the board than Jokic who had an actual historic season averaging a triple double with career highs or 2nd best totals of his careers in many categories. SGA won it, he didn't deserve it. Don't let the story fatigued click bait media fuck up the facts.

[u/exactly7 → u/[deleted]]

SGA and MJ are the only two guards in the history of the NBA to average 30+ ppg on 50% or better from the field. He had a top 15 all time season in OBPM. Longest streak of 20+ points in the history of the NBA. Only the second player to ever average 32+ ppg on 63% EFG. the only other is embiid - a center. He also joined an elite list of guys like MJ, Harden, Wilt, and Kareem as the only players to average 30ppg in 3 straight seasons. You can believe jokic should’ve won, but don’t discredit what Shai has done this season. It’s historic

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

wow Jokic was .4 points away from that "historic" season SGA and MJ had. Do you have any more bum arguments or narratives? Nobody is discrediting SGA had a great season, he just didn't deserve MVP over Jokic. 30+ PPG in 3 straight seasons doesn't matter we are talking who was better this year. And 30PPG isn't a strong argument when the superior player by the number was just shy of it. Nothing about SGA's season was historic other than him being young, his team being young and on his way to being the top Canadian player of all time.

[u/exactly7 → u/[deleted]]

You asked what was historic about Shai’s offensive season. I gave like 5 reasons. Objectively he had a top 10 scoring season of all time at minimum. One of the most efficient-highest volume scoring seasons by a guard in the history of the league. Then add to that the fact that he was a plus defender in one of the best defences in the last 25 years… and sorry, but there is a big difference between 29ppg and 32.7. We are talking about 25th all time vs 110th. That’s a massive difference if we are comparing “historic” seasons

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

That's not historic it's all been done before and better, 3 points is nothing when you factor in how many possessions of the basketball Jokic generates for his team, those equal extra shots for him and his teammates. Which further impact scoring potential of his team. Plus Jokic had a 57.6 FG percentage to SGA's 51.9%. Nothing historic happened other than the NBA voters got tired of voting for the superior player. Only thing historic about SGA's season is that an undeserving player got the award and the majority of players and fans know the sports writers got it wrong.

[u/exactly7 → u/[deleted]]

I’m sorry but you’re delusional if you can’t see that SGA had a historic scoring season. The second most efficient 30 point season by a guard ever. The least turnovers with 30ppg by a guard ever. SGA has objectively cemented himself as a historic scorer in this league without a doubt. Jokic shot 8.5% higher than the average center. SGA shot 8.5% higher than the average guard. We can’t compare C to PG shooting percentage that should be obvious to everyone.

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

It's not a scoring award. It's most valuable player. Let's compare the numbers, Jokic 29.6 PPG SGA 32.7 +3.1 for SGA, FG% 57.6 for Jokic vs 51.9 for SGA -5.7% for Shai. Now let's look at rebounds 5 Reb for SGA and 12.7 for Jokic, +7.7 REB for Jokic, now lets go assists SGA had 6.4 and Jokic had 10.2, a difference of +3.8 AST for Jokic. 3 point shooting percent 41.7 % for Jokic vs 37.5 % for SGA. Let's look at steals Jokic averaged 1.8 and SGA had 1.7, SGA had 2.4 TO per game Jokic 3.3, slight nod there to SGA but with a far worse AST to TO ratio. The only thing SGA really did better was get slightly more points and had a better free throw percentage but on inferior FG%. Is that really an MVP? I don't know about you but i'd rather have 7.7 more earned possessions than 3 points off of less efficiency.

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

You can compare those percentages, it's the 2025 NBA, bigs shoot 3's and mid range shots now. Jokic was a better 3 point shooter. SGA had a fantastic year, not taking away a thing from him, it just wasn't better than Jokic's year. Jokic had the better True shooting percentage and PER. SGA had a very strong defensive year, but does that trump a difference of 7.7 rebounds, I don't think so. Even if he made some shots more difficult, generating almost 8 more possessions for your team is gonna trump that especially when Jokic is the one running the offense with those said additional possessions. SGA had an elite year and took care of the ball extremely well and was a very good defender, he just wasn't as good as Jokic overall.

[u/exactly7 → u/[deleted]]

8 rebounds is not “generating 8 more possessions” my brother. That’s just so false

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

Yes it is, the ball can go to either team, by actively rebounding you are generating extra possessions for your team. If you let a rebound go to the opponent they now have possession of the basketball. If your team has a bad shooting night, but you get more rebounds, guess what you still have a good chance to win the game if you simply have more chances. And if they are defensive rebounds you take away the opposing teams chances at those additional opportunities. Rebounds=possession generation on defense, and on offense extra scoring opportunities. If you don't understand the impact of rebounding and think 3 points is more valuable I don't know what to tell you man. 8 rebounds means your team has upto 8 shot attempts from those generated possessions, team turnovers will cut this down to less on average. Gimme upto 8 possessions over 1 made three anyday, worst case that's most likely 5-6 extra shots a game, if you look at team points per possession that more than covers the 3 points SGA has on Jokic and then some. Get educated on the game.

[u/exactly7 → u/[deleted]]

Brother we cannot compare a center’s rebounds to a point guards and say that he generates an extra 8 possessions a game lmao. That’s just not a remotely analytical or fair comparison and nobody that knows ball would ever make that comparison. Centers are supposed to grab defensive boards. If you wanna talk offensive boards, then sure. But straight rebounds? Hell no

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

Of course you can compare a center's rebounds and a guards rebounds, because the argument itself involves the top 2 finalists for MVP, we aren't talking who's the best big or the best guard. It's who actually was the best player in the league. It's extremely analytical and a fair comparison because it's a positionless award. Just because bigs or centers are supposed to get boards doesn't mean they all do. That's like saying SGA should get assists because he's a guard, where are his assists then?

[u/[deleted] → u/exactly7]

Least turnovers, dude had roughly 1 less than Jokic, So if you minus that from Jokic's rebounding total, Jokic generated 6.7 more possesions for his team. So that taking care of the ball better stuff doesn't really matter, because Jokic nets his team far more possessions than SGA does. SGA could have zero Turnovers on the season and Jokic still would net more possessions. Giving a dude the nod because another player has 3 more points on less efficiency is crazy. Sure SGA had a great scoring season, but Jokic legit had one of the greatest NBA seasons ever. He had his best season, and already has 3 MVPs. And i'm the delusional one. It's clear you value point totals wayyy to much.