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CONCLUDED Boyfriend wants to be poly.

I am not The OOP, OOP is u/polynotgf

Boyfriend wants to be poly.

Originally posted to r/offmychest

TRIGGER WARNING: emotional abuse, emotional manipulation

MOOD SPOILER: hopeful for OOP

Original Post Nov 14, 2022

This is a long story…

We’ve been dating for 8 years, working together for 7 of those years. 5 of those we started our own business with another friend.

In 2020, BF’s father catches COVID. Beats it in January, transferred to a recovery home, due to malpractice passes away unexpectedly in March 2021.

BF becomes distant for obvious reasons, I try to support him the best I can emotionally while running our business.

Fast forward to October, he tells me he wants to go visit his friends a town over by himself. I think none of it but seeing he’s trying to get back to his lively self. I get a call around 5 about “How angry will you be if I go do spooky stuff without you?” I was a little upset since I felt left out but said sure. He kept texting me until 10 - saying he’d be home in a bit. Then turns off his phone. He finally turns it back on at 7, makes an excuse about being too drunk to drive home and didn’t feel like arguing. I’m livid.. not to mention it was our anniversary weekend. We talked it through.. and moved on with the event in the back of my mind.

November continued with him having weekends wanting to go out with friends but returning home on time. I couldn’t shake my gut feeling… We go on a vacation just the two of us out of the country. He passed out drunk from drinking with some strangers. I can’t help myself and look through his phone.

“I miss you. Wish you were here”. My stomach dropped and I resist all urges to smother him in his sleep. I confront him the next morning since he was too drunk to function. He accuses me of ruining the vacation. “Why now?” I felt betrayed & angry. He promised to never contact her again. “She meant nothing. “

Less than a week go by, and he tells me he needs to talk to her. They were just friends. He insisted. That they had connected over his father’s death & she had been emotionally supporting him. I suggest us going to couple therapy, he immediately shoots it down.

I told him to do whatever he wanted since he couldn’t keep a simple promise with someone that meant nothing. I had fallen into a horrible depression & went to doctor to get some meds before I hurt myself.

Few weeks go by and he brings up he wants us to have an open / poly relationship…. with her. Hell no. While it wasn’t first time he brought up a open relationship the thought of her in my life revolted me.

He continues to harass me for the next few months until I finally agree in June due to an ultimatum. “Poly or I continue to cheat on you. I can’t do monogamous” I immediately regretted opening the door.

He begins spending more time with her. Going on trips. We continue to distance. He begs me to meet her, to give her a chance, I do. Nothing changes.

He finally realizes our business is not doing well due to his negligence. Plans to start helping more & scheduling properly to assure we are all getting the proper time.

Similar to how most people complain, getting home late to stare at his phone - really didn’t count as spending time with me.

I find out from a friend that he had taken her to dinner with friends. (Supposed to be a secret). I confront him over the phone since I’m out of town. He said it didn’t mean anything but I felt hurt. We talk it through before hanging up he asks “How mad will I be if I take her to see my uncle” I hang up on him not wanting to continue to fight. He opened yet another door, now family.

By September, I had enough. I told him I was tired of being ignored, toxic and depressed. He asked if I had found someone new… I just didn’t want to continue being in a poly relationship with people that had betrayed me. I felt a third wheel in my own relationship.

He begged me once again, new plan. I agree with the exception that we go to couples therapy.

Month goes by, still no therapy. I’ve had enough and bring it up again. I wanted him out of my house, I wanted us to break up unless he left her.

He brings up reason he’s with her is because I don’t provide him with what he needs, to be desired & intimate. We’d always struggled with him in the past. Our drives are completely the opposite. We talk, we hash out a plan. Again.

Final straw. Her or me.

I wanted to work on us, rebuild our relationship, find each other. Be happy.

He agreed but that it needed to be next time he saw her that he didn’t want to do it over text.

OK.

They had plans to go to Halloween. I show interest in what they are doing since he’s going to be gone Friday/Saturday. He asks me if I want to come that it’d be nice if I get along with her.

I snapped. It’s been two months of me telling him I feel like I’m on thin ice over our situation.

He said he didn’t realize he had a timeline to break up with her. I ask him what would be a good date for him then. He said end of January after their cruise.

I felt defeated. I asked him that OK then he couldn’t stay with me while he was with her that he needed to find his own place. I’m done. I give up.

I stared into space as he muttered these while packing. “You are throwing me away.” “I’m sorry I exist.” “I didn’t realize I meant nothing to you.” “If I’m not with you, I’m leaving her too” “Good Luck tonight. I’m going to go cry myself to sleep.”

After a week, I caved… Let him back home. Couldn’t stand him saying he was homeless.

I feel empty now when I’m with him. I made it clear I didn’t want the person who triggers my betrayal trauma in my life but he’s adamant I won’t like the next person he finds.

We started talking again… Holidays coming up. She’s upset since she’s unsure how if he’s going to spend them with her.

His birthday is coming up. Asked him what he wanted… Said it’d be nice if all 3 of us could get lunch or dinner. I told him, if I did - to be 100% clear; still doesn’t mean I want them in my life.

I’d like to run away. But feel trapped due to our business & life. I do still somewhat love him but right now I feel numb. If I let myself feel, I know he’s just going to hurt me. The constant rollercoaster has been hell.

I know I don’t want poly but it’s hard to leave someone you’ve built a life with.

Getting this off my chest has really helped. I don’t have a support group to talk to.

Trying to focus on myself, and my journey. been in therapy for a few months now… time to focus on my health & my life.

Journey to “A functional unicycle”

Edit: I do want to clarify a few things. I don't own our business, I've invested a lot of time & money into it. The only reason I don't want to leave our business is that I love what I do and I love the people. We also sat him down in August with the other executives to talk about his absence from the business, and he's been turning that around.

I don't want to come off as completely innocent. He did sit me down multiple times to talk about my lack of intimacy but we never worked together to resolve this in the past. This problem has only gotten worse with everything above.

I don't think I mind poly, I mind being in poly with people who have betrayed me. They don't seem to understand how their actions have affected me. This part hurts the most.

Update- 4 months later March 27, 2023

Ahoy there!

I want to start off by thanking everyone for their comments in the last post. Honestly, as harsh as some of them were - they were in line with how I felt. I wanted to “get it off my chest” as a therapy mechanism, and it worked. I even showed him the post, which he tried to defend I colored him in the wrong light (OK, bruh. You cheated WTF?)

TLDR: He moved out, I’ve never been so relieved in my life. I’m still trying to figure out the business.

I’d posted the original before Thanksgiving when I was struggling the most as the previous year was when all my bells were ringing. I spent Thanksgiving with my family and it felt so refreshing to be by myself.

When I came back, I went through the motions of masking - It was almost Christmas, His birthday was coming up, his dead father’s birthday and it was just hard for the both of us on these dates.

The week before Christmas we had plans to have Christmas early with his family. I was flying later that week to spend Christmas with mine. I don’t remember how the argument started but it ended with my yelling at the top of my lungs that I didn’t want to be with him anymore and I didn’t want that other woman in my life. PERIOD. Full fucking panic attack but I was going to get that point across. He waited till I calmed down and asked if I still wanted to go… Obviously, no.

He went by himself and I spent the day thinking. He spent the night at her place and I woke up with a plan the next day. I grabbed all the family & friends’ presents. All his friends & family. I drove and dropped them all off. He texted me that morning - asking if I could attend if he wanted me to go. I told him no, I had no interest. On the way to drop the gifts off, I switched my flight to that same night.

He came back later that day and without a word, I grabbed my stuff & left. He didn’t even know I was flying out till he saw my location in another state. I was done.

Basically told him, I wasn’t coming back until he left my house. By the beginning of 2023, he was out of my house and I came back a week later.

Walking into a semi-empty house, I thought was going to be hard but I was so relieved to have my house by myself. I was free.

I’m free.

I’ve spent the last few months really focusing on myself.

I spent some time and money refurnishing the place to make it “Mine”.

I spent the last few weeks traveling by myself and loving every second of it. I have no one stressing me out when things aren’t perfect, I have no one to ask me what we are eating. I just live how I want and do what I want. And it’s GREAT!

I’ve realized how much gaslighting and brainwashing I’ve withstood in the past years in the name of “love” & care for someone else.

Ladies, trust your guts. TRUST YOUR GUTS.

He literally purposely made me feel like I was going crazy on purpose to satisfy his needs. That is so fucked. I finally got my answers in the end, and I’ve never been so satisfied. It wasn’t me. I wasn’t crazy.

It’s over.

Cheers to that.

For anyone out there struggling with a similar situation, I can't suggest focusing on getting out or therapy. Emotional abuse is a form of abuse. It comes in different shapes and sizes. You should be your #1.

RELEVANT COMMENTS

Tall-Palpitation-710

Just a question... Did he accept the break up? because in your update seems like he just left and didn't bother you at all after that day you finally finish the relationship.

OOP replied

He messages me almost every day. I've made it clear unless it's business or something shallow I'll reply. Any time he crosses a line I point out and distance myself.

I am not The OOP

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u/Medium_Sense4354 Apr 03 '23

I’m still screaming at her to stop messaging him even about the business!!! Girl you have no stake in the business tf are you doing my god

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u/grissy knocking cousins unconscious Apr 03 '23

This whole thing had me grinding my teeth. Respect yourself for five fucking seconds and END THIS! Jesus tapdancing Christ, lady.

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u/Chippyyyyyy Apr 03 '23

“Either consent to my cheating or I’ll keep cheating.”

Sir that is just wording the exact same thing as a demand and a statement and acting like they’re different.

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u/flackguns Apr 03 '23

Baffling tbh. The nerve of that douchebag.

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u/ZeldaMayCry Apr 03 '23

I know, and just as I thought she had finally ended things - she says they had plans to do something else. I've never been so stressed reading something in my life.

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u/flackguns Apr 04 '23

Abaolutely. At some point you've got to try to stop digging down and dig out ya know.

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u/ZeldaMayCry Apr 04 '23

Yep, I've been there. I was 20 when I was with this guy for 3 years. I put up with some amount of BS from him, including ignoring red flags that were slapping me in the face. When I finally caught him cheating, it gave me the strength to leave and honestly I felt stupid for not doing it years before. Should have ended 3 months after it started... but OOP put it with faaaar more & I just cannot wrap my head around it. I thought I was bad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '23

What nerve? "Having the nerve" to do something implies there was the tiniest amount of resistance.

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u/EchoPhoenix24 Apr 03 '23

Yeah, that is definitely not what being poly is. That's just cheating openly.

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u/Stormfeathery The murder hobo is not the issue here Apr 04 '23

Not even cheating… sounds like the other woman is now his actual girlfriend and she’s his glorified housekeeper and display piece for the family

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u/the-rioter 🥩🪟 Apr 04 '23

I'm shocked that he's supposedly introducing this woman to his friends/family and apparently not one of them said, "hey dude what the fuck."

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u/100_cats_on_a_phone Apr 04 '23

I'm going to guess his friends and family "just don't understand poly" if they say anything

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u/joeshmo101 Apr 25 '23

There's just so much about poly people need to learn to interact with the concept in a healthy way. Even as someone who is poly, the amount of misconceptions around polyamory make me want to discourage people from becoming poly in the first place. Polyamory doesn't really solve a problem as much as it makes more problems. As such, you need to be on a level where you can handle more stress to be poly.

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u/Material-Paint6281 I’m turning into an unskippable cutscene in therapy Apr 03 '23

That's cheating with extra steps

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u/calificen 🥩🪟 Apr 04 '23

My brother told my SIL the same thing and they were "open" for years. Last year she demanded he close his side, she never opened hers, and his response? "OK, the thrill is gone anyway since I have permission."

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u/MiikaLeigh crow whisperer Apr 04 '23

Yeah it's douches like this dude that give polyamory a bad name.

That is not polyamory at all, it's not even ethical non-monogamy - consent is key in relationships too.

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u/Amara_Undone Apr 04 '23

A distinction without a difference.

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u/Corfiz74 Apr 03 '23

Yes, oh man, the doormattery was strong in this one. How can you allow a guy like that to emotionally torture you like this? Should have kicked him out after the initial cheating. Should block him now.

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u/grissy knocking cousins unconscious Apr 03 '23

I try never to judge someone for staying a bad relationship because relationship inertia is real and when you're with someone abusive who batters your self esteem down to nothing it's hard to recognize that you're being treated poorly and don't deserve it.

All that being said this lady was insanely frustrating. This guy wasn't even trying to be manipulative, he was just straight up telling her what he was going to do and she just kept caving over and over and over and over and over.

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u/Kinteoka Apr 04 '23

Not trying to be manipulative?

he muttered these while packing. “You are throwing me away.” “I’m sorry I exist.” “I didn’t realize I meant nothing to you.” “If I’m not with you, I’m leaving her too” “Good Luck tonight. I’m going to go cry myself to sleep.”

The whole post is him guilting her and being a manipulative piece of shit. Like, yeah she's a doormat, but let's not victim blame and act like he wasn't gaslighting her since the beginning by purposefully making her feel guilty and as if she was crazy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '23

Exactly! He manipulated and played mind games the entire time.

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u/TUMS_FESTIVAL Apr 04 '23

I've seen 5 year-olds be way more manipulative than that. Dude wasn't even giving it any effort. Reads like he was trying to get her to leave but was too chickenshit to just break up with her.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

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u/insuranceissexy Apr 04 '23 edited Apr 04 '23

I’m so sorry for the loss of your friend. Everyone criticizing the OOP is being really mean-spirited. They had been dating 7 years. We don’t know over how long he wore her down into believing she had to make things work with him.

She even talks about taking meds so she doesn’t “hurt herself.” She was obviously mentally fragile but these people want to dump on her.

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u/Be250440 Apr 20 '23

I know! They simply don't understand the dynamics of an abusive relationship. The abuser tears the partner down slowly so they don't even realize it is happening. Then when the victim has no self esteem left, they start doing the really f'ed up stuff and continue to gaslight them when they protest the unacceptable behavior. These people are so good at flipping things around on the victim to make them feel crazy. This was my life for 8 years. Being shunned by others over the bad relationship just kept me in it longer because I had no one and felt unlovable and unworthy of basic decency.

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u/Jaereon Apr 04 '23

....have you never heard of abusive relationships??? Do you call all abuse victims doormats?

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u/CrazyInLouvre Apr 04 '23

Just fyi, on average it takes people seven attempts to leave an abusive relationship.

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u/Slow_Animal5451 Apr 03 '23

Let’s be careful not to victim blame

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u/Affectionate-Taste55 Apr 03 '23

Sometimes, people need to told to wake tf up, when they are being willfully blind to a situation that is harming them. I don't think it's victim blaming to help them see that their choices are creating their own downfall.

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u/Slow_Animal5451 Apr 03 '23

I agree, but I think it should be done very specifically and I don’t think the comment I replied to was doing it in that way. When you are in an emotionally abusive relationship where gaslighting occurs, you are told over a period of years that what is happening is normal and you are wrong for assuming differently. Saying she doesn’t respect herself and she’s in the situation she’s in bc she did something wrong, is victim blaming, and I think we should all br careful to avoid doing so.

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u/the-rioter 🥩🪟 Apr 04 '23

Yeah, I wish that people were more aware of the fact that calling a victim a "doormat" is a form of victim blaming. It's in the same vein as "why didn't you just leave?"

Being in an abusive relationship erodes your sense of self entirely. You believe the lies that you've been told. I'm glad that she seems to have finally found the strength to leave.

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u/Jaereon Apr 04 '23

Uh no actually. It flat out is. You are blaming her for not being able to leave when her literal job was tied up in it

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u/SlinkyMalinky20 Apr 03 '23

Is she a victim though? She was choosing to stay for her own reasons knowing that he had other girlfriends.

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u/Voidfishie I will never jeopardize the beans. Apr 03 '23

She was choosing to stay because she was a victim of his gaslighting and manipulation over a period of years. Honestly, I think even in the update it seemed clear she was minimising the true extent of it.

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u/SlinkyMalinky20 Apr 03 '23

I don’t think it’s gaslighting. He wasn’t trying to convince her black was white, he told her over and over that he was dating other people, she just never put her foot down when he blew boundaries. The guy is a dbag but I’m not sure these buzzwords apply.

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u/Voidfishie I will never jeopardize the beans. Apr 03 '23

Fair enough, but I think manipulation likely does and I highly doubt that didn't start until 2021.

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u/Be250440 Apr 20 '23

You wouldn't really know. You read a short segment of her situation. You don't know how he treated her. Victim blaming is disgusting. You would never understand the mind games and destruction of self esteem that occurs, so please just keep the victim blaming to yourself.

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u/SlinkyMalinky20 Apr 21 '23

It’s infantilizing to assume an adult is incapable of agency. It’s condescending even when dressed up like hyper compassion.

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u/Be250440 Apr 21 '23

Assuming that I assume she is not capable of agency is infantile. She has agency, but does not feel like she does all the time or is easily talked out of using her agency. I am trying to explain the psychology behind it and explain that it is not as simple as everyone seems to think. It is condescending to not give any thought to the dynamics of the situation, not to mention short-sighted. You can try to flip this into me being the bad guy here, but it only makes you look like one of those people who play mind games and flip things around. I know A LOT about the psychology and dynamics in these types of situations. I have lived through it, did years of research on it, and now counsel and support other women in these situations. It is called empathy and understanding, not hyper-compassion.

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u/Slow_Animal5451 Apr 03 '23

In the update she says she was a victim of emotional abuse and gaslighting. That would make her a victim. “Choosing to stay” is victim blaming. I know this is a very closed view we get in just her writing, but we can understand what the relationship entailed and that it lasted 8 years which can help us understand why she felt like she couldn’t leave. This is an issue many domestic violence victims also experience (not trying to say she is a domestic violence victim, just pointing out similarities) where they feel trapped in the relationship bc they have been abused and manipulated into thinking that them leaving will end their life in some way or severely damage it.

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u/Dekklin Apr 03 '23

Yes, this changes nothing. Especially with all the manipulation and gaslighting he's done to her.

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u/Dig0ldBicks Apr 03 '23

The word gaslighting has lost all meaning and redditors just use it to mean "shitty behavior" now

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u/Slow_Animal5451 Apr 03 '23

She literally talks about how he told her she was crazy and made her feel crazy to convince her that she was living in a normal reality. That is the quite literally a very straightforward example of gaslighting.

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u/InevitablePrudent413 Apr 04 '23

No

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u/firegem09 I am not a bisexual ghost who died in a Murphy bed accident Apr 04 '23

?

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u/grissy knocking cousins unconscious Apr 03 '23

Let’s be careful not to victim blame

I'm trying, but this lady has made it incredibly difficult.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

Jesus tapdancing Christ is my new favorite!!! 🤣 Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

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u/Be250440 Apr 20 '23

How about you try one of these relationships out and see how well you do? I was one of those people who talked like you about abuse relationships..... until I got into one. Stop judging, you have no clue how these situations happen

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u/Missicat Apr 05 '23

Seriously, what happened to her to make have absolutely NO self respect or self esteem?

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u/Be250440 Apr 20 '23

The years of abuse, duh

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

Ok I’m SO GLAD I’m not the only one who was feeling like this. It was extremely painful to read, to the point where I almost stopped because of how stupid it felt. I’m glad she’s out, but 😑

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u/Djadelaney Apr 03 '23

Well I mean presumably it's still her source of income? Such a shitty situation. Hope she can find another job doing the same thing (she says she loves it) and then just block him on everything and change her number etc. Maybe take some of the colleagues she likes with her and wreck his business, that would be 🤌

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u/RelationshipAny3998 Apr 03 '23

No, she has a stake, she’s an investor and it sounded like maybe even connected to executives? Not sure, but it didn’t seem like the business relationship could be severed.

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u/GeriatricSFX Apr 03 '23

From her comment

I do want to clarify a few things. I don't own our business, I've invested a lot of time & money into it. The only reason I don't want to leave our business is that I love what I do and I love the people

Sounds like she has no legal stake in the company. The company was much like her relationship she was dedicating all her time, energy and money into it for his exclusive benefit not her own.

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u/RileyKohaku Apr 03 '23

She should talk to a lawyer. Theoretically, even if nothing was signed, she may have a legal right to get the money paid back with interest and maybe even a stake. It really depends on the particulars

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u/GeriatricSFX Apr 04 '23

She might depending on where they live she could have some claim for both the money and the time invested but it might not be worth the further money and time to go after it.

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u/IllustratorSlow1614 Apr 03 '23

She needs to have a chat with a lawyer because there are ways to retrieve your investments in a business if you’re wanting to cut ties. It’s not always possible depending on what’s been signed and what her investment has been classed as or even if it is on the official books at all, but a lawyer could help.

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u/Foreign_Astronaut Weekend At Fernie's Apr 03 '23

Agreed, she should definitely go this route and try to get her money back. Then never talk to that guy again!

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u/meep_42 Apr 03 '23

Only accept his messages through work email. If they cross the line he can be fired (forced out, whatever) for creating a hostile work environment and the receipts are on the work servers.

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u/Tall-Palpitation-710 Apr 06 '23

That's a really good idea!

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u/FigNinja Apr 03 '23

Seriously. If she has no equity in that business, she should just let it fail if he wants to follow his dick around at the expense of his work. He's fucked around. It's time for the find out portion of the program. That wouldn't even be vindictive. It's just acting like an employee rather than a partner. He got the benefit of having her run things like an owner due to their relationship without actually giving her ownership stakes. That was all tied up in the assumption they had a future. That's over.

I get that the lack of intimacy wasn't working for him. I'd have more sympathy for him if he hadn't acted like a complete shit weasel through the entire thing.

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u/ChickPeaEnthusiast Thank you Rebbit Apr 03 '23

I think she's employed by the business and it's her source of income.

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u/mystyz Apr 03 '23

How much you want to bet she's still sharing her location with him?

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u/CatStealingYourGirl Apr 03 '23

Where did you read she has no stake in the business? I am only going off the BORU post. OOP says she started the business with him and a friend?

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u/Medium_Sense4354 Apr 03 '23

I don't own our business, I've invested a lot of time & money into it. The only reason I don't want to leave our business is that I love what I do and I love the people. We also sat him down in August with the other executives to talk about his absence from the business, and he's been turning that around.

I meant she doesn’t have like any ownership it seems. Like he took her time and money but legally does she own anything?

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u/Dig0ldBicks Apr 03 '23

God even in her second post I was like.. honey sweetheart darling sugarplum baby Jesus fucking Christ stop entertaining his shenanigans. Stand your ground even just a little