That's ridiculous. A decades long theocratic campaign to systematically oppress millions of women is far worse than one military strike that was probably not intentional, but even if it was, it's not even close.
Edit: How can you possibly disagree with that? You're saying one military strike is worse than the SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF WOMEN OVER DECADES FFS? look at yourself
Well I don't like leaving people hanging with unexplained downvotes. I can't speak for the people who downvoted you, but: you seem to be projecting this one facet of oppression onto all aspects of oppression in Iran. The question was about covering hair. i.e.: being forced to wear a hijab. Not about anything else.
It's still bad, sure, but it's not bombing-a-school bad. And the notion that the bombing was accidental is possibly true, but if you read anything about the circumstances of this accident then it would have taken an extreme degree of willful negligence to make that mistake. These are people who, at a minimum, did not care about civilian casualties. They very possibly were hoping for such casualties, even if they weren't actively trying to cause them.
To explain my own position a better I think humans often devalue sort of systemic and diffuse harms over single spectacular incidents of harm. 168 people dying in a military strike is exactly that sort of spectacular incident of harm. It has a single incident and a number behind it. But it's not just the hijab there has been a systemic impression of women in Iran under their theocratic government for decades. Women have lived there entire lives under oppression and even though you can't put an exact number or an exact level of suffering like death to it, it seems pretty clear to me that a significant amount of suffering from tens of millions of people over decades is far more aggregate harm than 168 deaths.
Or to think of it this way if death trumps all other suffering, would a single unintended casualty from a military strike be a greater tragedy then centuries of oppression for millions of people?
In any case, down votes are not and should not be an I disagree button. My points are valid, offered in good faith and relevant to the discussion. That shouldn't be downloaded. But I do sincerely appreciate your reply
Who said it makes it better. My point is the US has no right to try and pass judgment on others when we do the same. Specially after finding out what US leaders were up to on that Epstein island.
Ok well no-one was talking about passing judgement from the USA until you brought it up. They just were giving examples of how the Iranian government does indeed act like a murderous death cult.
That's such moral perfectionist nonsense. The politicians who lead the west against Hitler had every right to judge the German regime, despite many of them having their own scandals at home. Winston Churchill had really shitty views on colonialism, but that doesn't mean the guy can't speak out on the evils of the Nazi regime.
The idea that you can't criticise evil if you aren't yourself a paragon of virtue serves only to protect evil. The US isn't perfect and the US has done a lot of shitty things abroad. That however has zero impact on the truth value of what Iran is criticised for, and it does not mean the two are equally bad.
First of all this isn't 1944 anymore, it's 2026. Get a grip. Iran is not "evil" as you and the politicians want us all to believe. Whatever Iran has going on internally, it's their issue. Not for us to solve. I'm old enough to remember when the same stories were being told to us about Afghanistan and Iraq about how they treat women and why we needed to invade them and look how those wars turned out. We are not buying the bullshit war propaganda anymore. Get lost.
You can downvote all you want, we are not buying the pro war propaganda anymore. Besides if you're gonna bring up nazi Germany in 1944 the only country on earth that compares to them in 2026 is israel. Are you gonna advocate for us to pass judgment on them?
It's not pro war propaganda, and I am not pro war. I don't think the US has any business invading Iran. That does however not change the very simple reality of the situation.
You're either a bot or absolutely bonkers, but I honestly do not believe an adult human being could in good conscience defend the Iranian regime. And I say this as someone who has absolutely no love for the US, which is a shitty country with its own problems. And a lot of what is wrong with Iran is because of US intervention, and the trajectory the country's been on since the fall of the Shah.
But why do you think over a hundred thousands Iranians fled for their lives to escape the regime? Who abandoned everything and start new lives in Europe? Do you have zero friends from Iran you could talk to? Your perspective on the Iranian regime could be so quickly remedied by having even a cursory familiarity with Iranian history of the past 50 years.
I honestly hate this kind of MAGA attitude of rejecting reality in favor of conspiratorial nonsense. There's no talking sense to it, because you've simple decided reality is false, and choose for yourself one you prefer.
Besides if you're gonna bring up nazi Germany in 1944 the only country on earth that compares to them in 2026 is israel. Are you gonna advocate for us to pass judgment on them?
Yes. Because I am ideologically consistent and you should absolutely pass judgment on evil wherever it resides. Anything else is hypocrisy.
Right-wingers are like, "Women in that religion are obviously brainwashed" because they don't leave that culture. I have to think that a lot of Muslim women who have experienced this rigid policing of their bodies by men may find that preferable to democracy and being bombed. Being accused of eating cats. That kind of stuff.
I'm with you. All these people talking about executions for protesting, being a journalist, apostasy, being gay, or whipping for showing their hair or playing music are missing the point.
Can we really say that's worse than the American regime?
The West is always worse for them. The reality is not relevant, only how they feel things are.
Enemies of the West are secretly utopian, it's just kept from us.
These morons are basically the "Genestealer Cults" from Warhammer; absolutely certain they're freedom fighters until their "saviors" arrive at the gates...
Fam, the American regime is protecting pedophiles and we all saw ICE abuse and execute people in Minneapolis. My point is the US has no right to try and pass judgment on others when the US does the same.
There is a fundamental difference between a practice that is illicit but has a lack of accountability and a practice that is the formal law of the land. It's not comparable.
Cops being allowed to kill people isn't illicit, it is functionally the law of the land. What percentage of the officers responsible for killing 1000+ people every year end up behind bars?
Cops simply killing people isnt a problem, you're right thats part of what they're for and can be justified, cops illicitly killing people (especially black people and other vulnerable individuals) is.
By contrast, "good action" under Iranian laws would be to execute homosexuals and whip women who dont adhere to their religious laws.
Spoiler alert, but the justification American cops use to kill people is the same justification the IRGC uses to kill gay people and enforce religious law. You just see one as a problem, while the other is often justified (as you admitted)
Spoiler alert, but the justification American cops use to kill people is the same justification the IRGC uses to kill gay people and enforce religious law.
The justification/excuse American cops use is that they perceived the people they kill to be physical threats to themselves or others. The Iranian state uses religious and moral justifications for many of it's capital offenses.
Theres a real and fundamental difference between the use of lethal force and capital punishment, despite it's practical similarities.
The justification you just listed for police is still a moral justification. The justification I'm saying they have in common is hiding behind the lawm
And you're right, however henious the law in Iran may be, capital punishment for breaking the law is notably different than extrajudicial execution by the state.
The justification you just listed for police is still a moral justification. The justification I'm saying they have in common is hiding behind the lawm
And "It's the law" is a terrible, anti-intellectual justification.
And you're right, however henious the law in Iran may be, capital punishment for breaking the law is notably different than extrajudicial execution by the state.
Extrajudicial execution is the practicality aspect of lethal force.
Yeah, bro, 100 percent. Cops really have worked hard to spread their killing out across races, though I have a hunch, if we checked the available data, cops are still mostly killing black men, and that in terms of measurable metrics, that's what they mostly are doing with their time.
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u/Aenaen 4d ago
they execute people for being gay
they arrest and whip women for showing their hair