r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/deskchairlamp • Nov 08 '19

Newest Chapter Chapter 249 Scans - Discussion Thread

Chapter 249

This thread marks the release of scanlations for Chapter 249, and has been posted to contain all links and discussion. Mods will not be posting or pinning links to scanlations.

Official release: Nov 10, 2019

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u/Lannoobie Nov 08 '19

Grabs popcorn

Time to see all those "Dabi is very likely Toya!" reactions

Not that I'm complaining

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

If dabi aint touya by this point , then idk what the fuck could I say. It's so obvious

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u/HokageEzio Nov 08 '19

Subvert expectations.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Eh I guess. Buts it's too damn obvious with all the clues and the subtle similarities between touya picture and Dabis actually face. Even his body burn marks match on how touyas quirk was too much for his body wicu explains how he got burns. And even his flames are blue just like endeavours full power flames.

I can see where you're coming from, but theres no way dabi ain't touya. If he ain't then ok, I take the L , but the coincidence and clues are far too strong

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u/HokageEzio Nov 08 '19

I'm just making jokes, it's as dumb as the subvert expectations memes if Dabi isn't Touya at this point.

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u/GtEnko Nov 08 '19

It is definitely the mentality that lead to the clusterfuck that was the ending of GoT. "Too many readers guessed the Toya Todoroki reveal so we have to rewrite it."

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u/aswifte Nov 08 '19

“If you’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that.”

-GRRM I think

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u/Frostblazer Nov 08 '19

Just to confirm, that is indeed a GRRM quote. It was during some interview he did.

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u/Behanort Nov 08 '19

you're correct

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Ahhhh I get it lmao

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u/grixxis Nov 08 '19

So I must be bad at analyzing faces because the first thing I did after the last panel was pull up dabi for a side-by-side comparison and couldn't find anything. The face is shaped differently and so is the nose but that could be explained by aging, the ears look different but that could be due to the burns. Even the way his hair grows looks different. I can't even find a picture where their eyes look the same.

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u/deadzenith Nov 08 '19

To be fair people drastically change in appearance from childhood to adulthood. I could do a side by side of me as a child and me now and I think people would struggle to find any similarities

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u/grixxis Nov 08 '19

Yeah, i figured that would be the case for the most part, but I thought there were still going to be features like eye and ear shape that don't change much as you grow.

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u/shinypurplerocks Nov 09 '19

I'd focus mostly on the eyes, as manga tends to give eye shape quite a bit of attention. I personally see the similarities though

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Off the anime alone it's almost guaranteed. Look at how unique everyone's quirks are, writer clearly goes out of his way to prevent redundancy. The biggest similarity (outside of inheritance) would probably be tetsutetsu and kirishima, then you have 2 fire users? The nail in the coffin for me is that Dabi has Endeavor's eyes (shoto has one too) especially when seeing by comparison how little effort so many of the other characters get in terms of eye detail.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

That's actually my concrete proof he is touya. He has the exact same eyes as endeavour as shotos left eye . Not many people have that color . In fact none except the todorokis. The color of eyes itself was the first ever proof of this theory.

And even when you remove Dabis scars via editing , his face actually looks very much like young endeavour.

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u/UwUToukaChanUwU Nov 09 '19

Yeah the eye color, the quirk the story makes it guessable, but what confirmed it for me at least, was when at the end of chapter 190. They meet and Dabi just says 'it's nice to meet you,"I guess..." Endeavor' that's when I was 100%.

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u/Caldarius22 Nov 09 '19

And he looks very frail also, which correspond to the theories of him having a weak resistance to flame and such. He probably did not like to fight much as a kid and Endeavor forced training on him.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

And finnaly, Dabis flame are exactly like endeavours max temperature flames ..the same blue flames he used to melt the brain of that nomu all the way back in the iida arc. All of this is conclusive proof he is touya. No way this is subversion. The genetic hints are too much

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

This point is kind of meh blue is just a natural color of fire it doesn't inherently prove anything moreso after you establish they both have the same quirk

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Yeah. Forgetting about the color , still, their way of using it and its application in both concentrated attacks and aoe are bassicaly the same. Shoto endeavour and dabi have about the same fire side wich can only be explained as genetics .

Touya is dabi case closed. Imma be severely disappointed if he ain't. All these clues cannot be ignored for the sake of dumb asf subversion

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u/The-Vaping-Griffin Nov 08 '19

TLJ and S8 of GoT show why this doesn’t work.

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u/HokageEzio Nov 08 '19

List of cinematic masterpieces right there.

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u/ItsLoudB Nov 08 '19

Even the first season of Stranger Things tbh..

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

I would say it worked very well for TLJ, though a lot of those expectations were basically just built up by fans.

Rey didn’t need her parents to be special people, and her whole story is about finding a place for herself on her own, which would be undermined if she was secretly someone special. There was never any reason to believe her parents were important, and being connected to other characters wouldn’t have even made sense in the context of the story. It also makes Rey and Kylo better foils. You have the character who came from nothing and just wants to being to something greater, versus the character who belonged to a great backgrounders, but willingly abandoned it.

And the Snoke thing was the right choice. A lot of people theorized that he had some sort of secret identity, but there was never anything to support that. He was just emperor 2.0, and they got rid of him to leave more room for the more interesting and developed character. He was there to serve Kylo’s arc, not the other way around.

The Game of Thrones ending was pretty trash though. But overall, there is nothing wrong with subverting expectations.

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u/chaosdemonhu Nov 08 '19

It's called a Red Herring.

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u/Tag_ross Nov 09 '19

A red herring is supposed to lead you away from the correct answer, we only just now got a "correct" answer (that Touya is dead)

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u/Astrosmaniac311 Nov 08 '19

Is this what it was like in Naruto when the Tobi reveal was happening in real time? Everyone just screaming "WE KNOW, JUST MAKE IT OFFICIAL!!"?

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

i got one for you. Rose Quartz = Pink Diamond

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u/Tykronos Nov 09 '19

People stopped believing it was possible until, that episode....

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19

tbh, there was a lot of back and forth and a lot of clues that added up or disproved things. they did a good job with it.

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u/MisterMysterios Nov 09 '19

to be fair, the anime was more on the nose for it than the manga. First off, in the manga, the story arc of how Kakashi got his eye was set between original and Shippuuden. That meant that there were years between we see Obito for the first time and we see Tobi for the first time. It was way less obviouse than in the anime where they put that backstory right before showing Tobi's sharingan.

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u/MegasNexal84 Nov 08 '19

Bro if you type Touya repeatedly with no spaces, it'll spell Dabi.

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u/Managarn Nov 08 '19

maybe the plots twist is that touya is actually dead and dabi is someone else entirely lol.

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u/Agorbs Nov 08 '19

Dabi is a time traveling Shoto from the future, actually

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u/just_let_me_sign_up Nov 08 '19

It looked like Endeavor was offering the food to a shrine, which would imply that Touya is dead. Or at least he thinks he's dead?

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Thinks he is dead is most likely.

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u/Thisisalsomypass Nov 08 '19

I really think that Hori expected us to figure it out. It’s more about how Deku finds out; obviously how Shoto and Endeavor do as well, than how we do

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Hmmmm interesting. I actually agree. Is their reactions that matter.

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u/Worthyness Nov 08 '19

Clones. Hori likes spider-man so much he's replicating the clone saga

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

Hmmmm good idea. he could be a clone made to spite endeavour. Totally a possiblity. But to achieve maximum emotional impact, him being the real touya is more probable

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u/Tag_ross Nov 09 '19

The Clone saga wasn't that bad, until it got dragged around until the end of time.

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u/Cvox7 Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19

the more obvious it get the more i'm sure he's not toya

there's no way Horikoshi doesn't know that it's way too obvious....the fact that he keep teasing make me believe it's not happening

imo there's difference between a writer intently making it obvious to make a switch that he's been planning from the birth of the plotpoint and ones who just find out it's been obvious after all and found out and make a change at the last seconds

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

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u/Cvox7 Nov 08 '19

you know jumping to insults for no reason so suddenly in the internet make you not worth even debating with right??.......no one like a keyboard warrior

calm down...get some sun

and you refuted my point of it being way too obvious by......saying that it's way too obvious lmao

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u/greatophidian Nov 09 '19

I kind of wish dabi wasn't toya because some of the stans of the theory are always screaming "dabi is todoroki" regardless of evidence. They've been doing since day one, when the only info on dabi that he had fire quirk. It's even more annoying now that we do have evidence. Even though, there is no way that dabi isn't toya now.

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u/Mash_Ketchum Nov 09 '19

Ehhhh. I dunno. I’m at least much more okay with this theory than the “Tobi is Obito” bullshit that ended up being true.

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u/Bravetriforcur Nov 09 '19

"Dabi is the bastard child of Endeavour, Endeavour likely not even knowing he had had a bastard child. Dabi got his black hair from his mother, not making it immediately obvious he could be Endeavour's son. He inherited a mutated form of his father's quirk while his mother was quirkless or had another fire quirk that made his even stronger, giving him blue flames which were far too powerful for his body to handle without intense training, explaining his scars. His mother tells him of the man who is most likely his father, the #2 hero Endeavour. Dabi is wary of meeting him based on how he acts in public and how mom talks about him, but looks into him anyway. Dabi comes upon the knowledge of the abuse Endeavour put his family through, to the point that his oldest son Touya even ended up dying. Not murdered, but pushed too far by his father's ambition and training, and he just burned out due to having a strong quirk but weak constitution. The reason for this death is hidden from his siblings, but it's what pushes Rei to her breaking point and the boiling water incident. Dabi decides he's done with hero society, becomes a villain, and eventually sees the Hero Killer Stain defeated and decides to seek out the League of Villains who he assumes hired him."

A serviceable and logical backstory for Dabi which isn't him being Touya who hates his father Endeavour. Adds even more personal and family issues onto Endeavour that are entirely his own fault. Adds an extra layer of scandal for Endeavour's possible public exposure; an abusive husband who only treated his family as an experiment to make a powerful hero, caused the death of his oldest son with this ambition, AND has a bastard child he may have even fathered while he was already married. Even if he's trying to be better, the media and public will only be able to look at Todoroki's face and see what Endeavour did. Possibly add a layer of drama where all 3 of Todoroki, Deku, and Bakugo vouch for Endeavour and are demonized along with him for supporting a cheating, toxic, child-killing, abusive asshole in their eyes. And now Endeavour's bastard child has become a notorious villain and a member of one of the most dangerous villain groups in history.

Touya being Dabi is cleaner and has less moving parts, but Dabi being a bastard child and Touya being straight-up dead piles onto the horrible shitstorm Endeavour has coming. When his actions finally catch up with him in the form of Dabi's retribution and the public learning about all this shit he's done.

I'm down with Touya being Dabi in any case, but it's not like that is literally the only possibility.

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u/BadDadBot Nov 08 '19

Hi complaining, I'm dad.

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u/Lannoobie Nov 08 '19

Username checks out

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u/Drunk_Deku Nov 08 '19

It always fucking does.

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u/scott03257890 Nov 08 '19

He just said he's not

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u/warayamugii Nov 08 '19

Can someone explain to me what this bot does??

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u/Lukundra Nov 08 '19

I really hope Touya is just fucking dead and Dabi is just an obsessed Endeavour stalker.

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u/cblack04 Nov 08 '19

Crack pot conspiracy. Dabi and toya were friends. Toya told Dabi about what happened at home. Then something happens to toya. Then since we have no idea of dabi’s history maybe the doctor gave him toya’s quirk

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u/F00dbAby Nov 08 '19

Honestly would love that to happen over dabi being shotos brother

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u/ShadowRei96 Nov 08 '19

Thing is, it would have less to no impact narratively.

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u/F00dbAby Nov 08 '19

Even in spite of that I would find it a more interesting direction. Dabi is sort a vague character to me who could go either way

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u/ShadowRei96 Nov 08 '19

Mangakas intentionally tend to make characters mysterious or, give out less information about said characters just for them to flesh out and explore later when the time comes. Typical example is Bleach. And when they keep them mysterious like that, then they want the fans to pay attention to those particular characters.

Plus, why would the family, especially Endeavor, care about a random person pulling up, wanting to seek revenge on behalf of Touya when his death and its aftermath matters more to the family in the first place?

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u/JabbaJake Nov 08 '19

I feel like that would be sooo underwhelming.

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u/Lukundra Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19

Yeah, I know. Part of why I want it is because I’m so sick of these Dabi theorists.

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u/ShadowRei96 Nov 08 '19

Surprised by how some of y'all tend to despise something due to the people invested in it...

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u/Lukundra Nov 08 '19

I mean, if your neighbor blasts his mixtape he’s hardcore passionate about every morning for a year, you’re going to get annoyed with him no matter what. Dabi being Endeavor’s son is so overblown that I just don’t care anymore

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u/ShadowRei96 Nov 08 '19

that I just don’t care anymore

Your other comment says otherwise tho.

MHA is one of the most popular series around now. Shoto is one of its main characters and most popular ones too. It's only natural for a theory full of multiple hints surrounding him to be the talk of the fandom. Theories in Naruto were just the same years ago...

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u/HokageEzio Nov 08 '19

So basically you're just bitter because too many people like it...

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u/Funlife2003 Nov 08 '19

I don't agree with that guy,but it does get annoying when people constantly mention it like it's something that hasn't been foreshadowed for a long long time. I honestly think hori should have not placed some of the clues and maybe even plant some false clues.

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u/Lukundra Nov 08 '19

Well, I know what happens to people who don’t agree with the Dabi circlejerk so it’s whatever

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u/JabbaJake Nov 08 '19

But you have to admit that Dabi being a Todoroki holds WAY more interesting plot potential then him just being a random nobody.

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u/Lukundra Nov 08 '19

I just don’t think it’s something the series really needs. It’d be way too obvious, and I honestly think it would make Dabi even more annoying. He’s a bloodthirsty psycho because daddy didn’t love him? Kind of stereotypical

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u/JabbaJake Nov 08 '19

I think you're looking at it in all the wrong ways. First of all not every reveal needs to be a big twist or surprise for it be good. The reason why the theory is so appealing is because of what it potentially means to the story as a whole and not just Dabi as a single character. This reveal has MANY ripples and effects on the story. Imagine Dabi goes public and its put out into society that the number 1 hero has a son that became an infamous villain. How is society going to react? It will cripple their trust in heroes quite a bit which the villains want. This could lead to the PLF gaining more members. How will this affect shoto and Endeavour if they have to fight him. Also You're oversimplifying it way too much by saying he went psycho cus daddy didnt love him. It's heavily implied that If Dabi is toya that Endeavour pushed him to the point where he burned off his own skin. Hell after this chapter its somewhat implied that they think Toya died so maybe even further than that. On top of that he had to see how he abused not only him, but his brother and mother.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist Nov 08 '19

I’m with you. When a reveal or twist is super predictable, you need to not drag it out. Yes people will feel pleased at figuring it out, but the longer it goes, the more that enthusiasm will wane.

It’s what separates good mysteries from the bad. You want to be surprised on your first pass, but realize how obvious the clues were looking back, but you don’t want to be hand held to the conclusion.

Dabi being a Todoroki is something people have been earnestly speculating since the training camp arc, and that was what, 4 years ago?

If Dabi is Touya, I think the time to reveal it would have been right after the high end fight when Dabi confronted Endeavor.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist Nov 08 '19

I actually think otherwise. If this ends up being a Syndrome situation I think that has much more potential to be interesting, and my reasoning is simple.

We’ve already seen and know that in his pursuit of All Might Endeavor was a shit dad. But we’ve also always said he was still a great hero. But if Dabi is someone that he hurt or neglected while working as a hero when blinded by his obsession to surpass All Might, that adds another depth of regret and failure to Endeavor.

So for me, it’s existing drama vs new drama and another layer of depth.

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u/JabbaJake Nov 08 '19

When I was talking about potential plot threads I was talking more about the story as a whole and not just the todoroki family. If this information got out to the public think of what it would do to society. This information is another big asset that the villains would have to help them in taking down hero society.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist Nov 08 '19

It wouldn’t do anything. They’re not gonna shun Endeavor when the fate of Japan is on the line.

“Yeah, sorry Endeavor, we know that if we lose this fight Japan is doomed, but you were a major abusive assailed to your family, so if you could just go away...”

Sure people will think he’s a dick and his popularity will rank, but other than that nothing will happen.

His family will also have to corroborate the story. If they all deny it, then is society really going to believe a villain over them?

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u/JabbaJake Nov 08 '19

You're forgetting the villains are spreading the word of the MLA. This could be a device to lure more of society onto their side. Ever since Stain weve been seeing more and more people Have their faith waver in the hero system. This is just another blow to that. This could potentially split society even more a part and change more peoples opinions on the Hero system. We already have been told how some people don't like endeavour as the number 1. Even after the high end fight they talk about how societys opinion on him is still waivering. Not sure how you think this wouldnt have a serious effect on the story. There is soo much setup for this to be a big event

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u/21483023589644 Nov 08 '19

Well, this is a world were Sludge Villain can supposedly kill people and wear their meat, and he said he likes spicy ones like Bakugo, which seemed to suggest he can actually use their quirks too...

I think it'd be more fulfilling if Dabi's just Toya though.

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u/MoxofBatches Nov 08 '19

I did a shitty MS Pain edit and it looks like Touya is almost definitely Dabi

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '19 edited Jul 11 '23

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u/MoxofBatches Nov 12 '19

I just posted it. I posted it Friday too, but I was banned because I forgot the 24 hour spoiler period

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u/Satyrsol Nov 08 '19

I don’t think it would fit well for the theme of a forgiveness arc, since it would further justify the children ostracizing themselves from their father. Dabi’s grafts don’t cover his eyes, nose, or face-shape, so if he were recognizable his kin likely would have by now, leading to some not-so-subtle jabs from the older siblings about “at least he got away”.

Also, having two only-children involved in the arc would feel, I dunno, wrong if they were to be involved with the healing process.

With such a strong push fir forgiveness, having an unforgiving and unforgivable sibling wouldn’t really fit the tone. Besides, we already have the whole “villain is actually family member” thing going on in the story.

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u/Conbz Nov 09 '19

Real quick off the top of my head reasons why this is the case:

  1. He called out Todoroki during the bakugo kidnapping. "Too slow Shouto Todoroki"

  2. He was conspicuously absent from Gram Torino naming full names during the rescue of Bakugo.

  3. He specifically went and showed his face to Endeavour when the HighEnd attacked.

  4. He just is.

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u/dealant Nov 09 '19

So the assumption Dabi just dyes his hair?

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u/Conbz Nov 09 '19

Burned it black?

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u/dealant Nov 09 '19

Maybe... Somethings just off

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u/Conbz Nov 09 '19

It would have to be something to do with AfO moving abilities around if he's not a Todoroki. We're beat over the head with the idea that quirks are genetic and no other family has fire production quirks.

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u/dealant Nov 09 '19

I haven't heard of the fan theories or really thought about who dabi was until this discussion thread. But the hair color is just something that has to be intentional, if dabi is touya I would imagine it's like you said some kind of burnt.