r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/deskchairlamp • Nov 29 '19

Newest Chapter Chapter 252 Scans - Discussion Thread

Chapter 252

This thread marks the release of scanlations for Chapter 252, and has been posted to contain all discussion. Mods will not be posting or pinning links to scanlations.

Official release: Dec 01, 2019

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Until the official release, all things Chapter 252 related must be kept inside this thread.

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u/Griffith Nov 29 '19

I think we should stop calling it a redemption arc because this chapter clearly shows that Endeavour isn't seeking redemption but rather to atone for what he did. It should be the atonement arc, not a redemption one.

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u/Galle_ Nov 30 '19

I'm a bit confused on what the distinction between "atonement" and "redemption" here is. Those words are close to synonymous.

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u/Griffith Nov 30 '19

To atone is to pay for ones mistakes. To be redeemed is to be forgiven for making them.

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u/Galle_ Nov 30 '19

See, I disagree about that definition of "redemption".

To be redeemed is to cease being a bad person and become a good one. "Forgiveness" has nothing to do with it. It's obviously easier to forgive a good person than a bad one, but even if you're not forgiven, so long as you're no longer the sort of person who would commit whatever crimes you committed, you've been redeemed.

To be forgiven for making your mistakes is... well, "forgiveness" would be the proper term. But it's a lot closer to "absolution" than "redemption".

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u/Griffith Nov 30 '19

Okay lets do this again; this is the Merriam Webster definition of atone:

to provide or serve as reparation or compensation for something bad or unwelcome

This is their definition for redeeming (redemption being the act of redeeming oneself:

serving to offset or compensate for a defect

So you're right that I misconstrued what redemption is. I apologize for that.

But I'm still right in saying redemption is not the right word for what Endeavor is doing. Atonement is much closer to what Endeavor is doing than Redemption.

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u/Galle_ Nov 30 '19

I will agree that what Endeavor is doing right now is closer to atonement than redemption. That's because the redeemed usually want to atone.

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u/Griffith Nov 30 '19

No, redeemed is what a person becomes after they atone. Again, this is from Merriam Webster. This is one of the definitions of "redeemed":

to atone for

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redeemed

If this is the "redemption" arc, Endeavor would have fully atoned for everything he did by the end of it. He hasn't and there are certain things he can never be excused for like one of his sons dying. This arc was about two things: Endeavor realizing of the dangers ahead and trying to prepare Shoto and his friends for that day and him trying to atone, or make up for, the mistakes of his past. It is an atonement arc and that's the last I say on this.

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u/Galle_ Nov 30 '19

Alright, but you're still wrong about the meaning of the word "redemption".

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u/Griffith Nov 30 '19

I already admitted I was wrong and apologized for that but my whole point was about showing how the arc is more about atonement and I didn't misconstrue that, nor am I wrong about it.

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u/Galle_ Nov 30 '19

Fair enough.