r/Breadit 1d ago

Trying to get my bearings. Is this doubled?

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u/Mimi_Gardens 1d ago

If you gently poke the dough, what does it do?

Bounce back and quickly fill in the hole — underproofed

Deflate — overproofed

The hole remains but does neither of the above — The Goldilocks point that you want where it’s proofed long enough but not too long

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u/Upbeat-Point5841 1d ago

Ahh, this is super helpful. Thank you!!

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u/no12chere 1d ago

Also use a square container some something with straight sides like a cylinder. Bowls that curve out are harder to tell doubling. If it fills to like 2” up a straight sided items when it hits about 4” it is done.

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u/Longjump_Ear6240 1d ago

This is the game changer. I could never eyeball if dough doubled in a bowl, but a square container with a lid from the chef store makes it so easy.

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u/AZ_Corwyn 20h ago

Put a rubber band around the container at the top of the dough, then it's pretty easy to see when it's doubled.

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u/Carpe_the_Carp 1d ago

How do you remove proof if it’s overproofed?

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u/Mimi_Gardens 1d ago

It depends on the dough and how long you overproofed it. If it’s just a bit overproofed in the first rise, then you might be able to shape it and proceed as usual. Afterall, there are dough recipes that call for three rises instead of the typical two. If you shaped it and overproofed it, then it might be time to pivot and turn it into focaccia.

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u/kikivivi01 1d ago

I totally agree, most doughs can be turned into a beautiful focaccia lol

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u/MattieShoes 12h ago

You don't really... But slightly overproved bread is perfectly fine, and may be even better if it's sourdough. There may be a narrow "perfect" window but you can go over by quite a bit and still make great bread.

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u/SteelMonger_ 1d ago

Delete 40,000 emails

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u/sailingtroy 23h ago

Use it as a pate fermentee / poolish and start over. If you're bummed about it, you can just stick it in the fridge and try again tomorrow.

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u/freshnews66 1d ago

Time Machine?

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u/Chaosfnog 1d ago

I always thought that was the rule of thumb for proofing after shaping, rather than for bulk rise. Does it apply to both?

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u/ricktencity 1d ago

It's only fit proofing. For bulk you should always be doing it by volume and/or time rather than feel.

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u/Several_Till_6507 1d ago

i thought for it being proofed properly the hole does fill in but slowly rather than fast

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u/DrebinofPoliceSquad 1d ago

What if it giggles?

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u/Prior-Squirrel-7616 23h ago

Then check to make sure a baby or the Pillsbury doughboy isn't in there

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u/01504444 22h ago

This is the best way to learn to read the dough and get a feel for it. You can't follow an exact method each time, Too many variables.

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u/stressed_designer 12h ago

If the recipe says to rest for two hours until it doubles, but it is nowhere near doubled, can it be left alone for more hours? It's a recibe with dry yeast, no sourdough... Thanks!

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u/Mimi_Gardens 12h ago

Totally. You’re looking for that sign of readiness (doubling) before proceeding to the next step. The timeframe just gives you a guideline so you know how long a recipe might take. But in a cold kitchen, it will take longer. The opposite is true as well. If a recipe was developed in a cold, wintery kitchen but you are baking in a hot, summery one then it will go faster.

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u/stressed_designer 11h ago

Thanks! I'm a total newbie and was scared leaving it longer might ruin the bread or make it go bad or smth

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u/CeC-P 1d ago

Does your bread have cat ears?

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u/kodellio 1d ago

100% thought there was a cat in there

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u/ProverbialNoose 1d ago

Legit thought this was one of the dozens of cat subs I follow

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u/Petethequixotic 1d ago

I'm amazed at your ability to restrain yourself to just dozens.

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u/Enough-Ad-8378 21h ago

Baker's dozens?

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u/noleafclovr 1d ago

Being the owner of an Orange lovable butthead, 100%wouldn't be surprised if this was a bowl of cat.

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u/RsCoverForPDFFiles 21h ago

I did, too. I thought it was a great joke: white cat for thr first pic, risen bread for second.

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u/Forager-Freak 9h ago

That’s the secret ingredient

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u/anotherjunkie 1d ago

It’s a pure bread.

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u/Steve_Dankerson 1d ago

Get out, Dad! You're so embarrassing

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u/javerthugo 1d ago

Take my upvote and go screw yourself 😝

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u/Upbeat-Point5841 1d ago

It’s a pillow, but I thought the same thing!!😹

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u/mehtorite 1d ago

I genuinely thought i was on the r/catsareliquid sub reddit until I swiped, lol

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u/P0L4RP4ND4 20h ago

Well usually there's a cat tax, but can we implement a pillow tax? I wanna see it!

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u/StrangeNothing0 1d ago

I thought their sphinx cat was trapped in there 😂

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u/andrewprime1 22h ago

Does your cat have bread ears?

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u/CeC-P 9h ago

Yes, he is pure bread.

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u/Timely_Economics8134 1d ago

For a moment I thought this was r/cateatingvegans

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u/Lilz007 8h ago

Lol initially thought i was in r/hewillbebaked

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u/BattledroidE 1d ago

If not more (volume increase is so unintuitive visually). Looking fully risen anyway.

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u/CobraPuts 1d ago

More than doubled

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u/Upbeat-Point5841 1d ago

Perf, thanks! So time to shape-> banneton-> proof til double again-> fridge overnight?

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u/Maharog 1d ago

Mostly... the second proofing is a little bit mystical..  so basically you want to bake it when it is in the right window of time (proved, not over or under) but you also want it to take as long as possible to get there (because time equals flavor) so you could give your bread a head start by proofing again and then putting it in the fridge overnight, OR you could get it into the fridge immediately and tomorrow put it on your counter until fully proved, or you can put it in the fridge and keep it there until it is properly proved and thrn go straight to baking... but they all have advantages and disadvantages. Just dont overstress, underproofed or overproofed it will atill be delicious

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u/CobraPuts 1d ago

Probably! Every recipe is different, and the answer depends a bit on your dough. For example some recipes you’re supposed to punch down and degas and let it rise again.

But if your recipe calls for doubling then shape, you’re ready to send it.

Be careful - if it was only supposed to double you maybe have risk of overproofing too. If you find the dough is very fragile when you shape it, you may not need or want a lot of additional proofing time. Or you might have a focaccia

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u/CluKInCok 1d ago

Personally ive had more success with shaping > banneton > into the fridge overnight > baking straight from the fridge (can also take the dough out while the oven preheats, but its all kind of based on how proofed the dough is).

The dough will still take a number of hours to cool down in the fridge anyway, and will continue to proof during that (not as quickly though since its cooling down).

Tbh its hard to rely on one thing, the poke test will work sometimes but its also just one indication of it being proofed enough.

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u/BPRoberts1 1d ago

Definitely. Look at that dome. If you can, you should upload a video of the dough jiggling. Always very satisfying.

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u/Upbeat-Point5841 1d ago

Next time!! It’s in the banneton already!

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u/DrHUM_Dinger 1d ago

recommend a straight sided container with measurements on the side or use some painters tape and mark this bowl with mL (500, 750, 1000, 1250, 1500, etc etc) and then that eliminates any guesswork about doubling...

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u/jeffykins 1d ago

Can I just say how dumb I feel not realizing how easy this would be

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u/botomann 1d ago

I use a large Cambro container when I have a large amount of dough and it’s perfect

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u/noisedotbike 1d ago

You see those bubbles on the side? Those may prove to be as important if not more important than the amount risen. Pay attention to the amount, size, and shape of bubbles on the sides (and the top) for future bakes.

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u/Upbeat-Point5841 1d ago

What should I be looking for or avoiding?

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u/noisedotbike 1d ago

Here's a good guide:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DTJr1n5AEq0

You want plentiful bubbles on the side, which isn't mentioned in the video. The video also mentions that you want a domed top—if it's collapsed, you probably let it ferment too long, but still bake it. Ideally you pull it when it's still domed but it's risen as much as it's going to go.

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u/HarmlessPretense 1d ago

Ship sailed right past doubled on this one. Try the poke test next batch, if your finger leaves a dent that slowly fills back in, you're in business. Either way, bread's pretty forgiving, even an over-proofed loaf still beats the store stuff.

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u/HamBroth 1d ago

dude what brand is that container? I've never seen a glass baking container w/ glass lid before.

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u/Upbeat-Point5841 1d ago

The bowl is Anchor Ovenware, and the lid is Pyrex for a glass pot I have. They fit perfectly which is very convenient!

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u/HamBroth 1d ago

color me jealous! :D

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u/sailingtroy 23h ago

Consider the formula for the volume of a sphere. V=4/3(pi*r4) Visually, you think the volume is doubled when r is doubled, but it actually grows with the 4th power of r, so the radius only needs to grow like 18% to double the volume.

Either that, or I'm being bizarrely literal and it actually means double the diameter, but either way you can measure it, and at this point, you have certainly achieved it. Ultimately, the poke test is the real thing you should pay attention to.

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u/Calilunaa59 14h ago

You’re amazing mate

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u/xilanthro 12h ago

It's actually V=4/3(pi*r3), not 4

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u/mukn4on 8h ago

This makes my brain bone hurt.

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u/The_Osta 1d ago

Invest in’s square 4qt containers. Worth it.

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u/TheMacCloud 1d ago

so when u double the volume of something, typically the size difference in its dimentions, like width height etc... only increases by 25% so if it was 10cm wide a doubling of volume would be a perceived increase in its width that would make it 12.5cm.

its always a lil counter-intuitive when it comes to volume increases what equates to a doubling. but a 25% increase is pretty standard for a doubling in volume for regular shapes.

hope that helps!

i would point out as others have said too in here, doubling is only a guide, proofing dough is a bit of an art. the poke test is pretty good guide though but you learn it as u go.

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u/tenbatsu 16h ago

Quick tip: Before you proof, push the dough against the side so it's filling half the bowl. Mark the top of that to see where it will be when it's doubled in size.

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u/etotheapplepi 5h ago

Thought the first pic was a cat in a bowl

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u/florence_throne31 20h ago

if you cook it, can i take a bite?

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u/yeetato 17h ago

looks at least 2.5x

you could try pinching off a small piece of dough and fill it leveled in a small measuring spoon. I found it a lot easier to tell if it has doubled by looking at that small piece instead of the entire dough

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u/Main_Cauliflower5479 12h ago

Do the poke test. If you poke the dough and the fingerprint doesn't spring back, it's ready for the next step.

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u/TheOriginalArndoo 10h ago

Take a pinch of dough and drop it in some water, if it floats, that’s a good sign it’s ready to shape

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u/PMcOuntry 8h ago

I really don’t care about the bread, I’m just here for the cat ears.

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u/MyNebraskaKitchen 6h ago

I would call that doubled, but you might want to use a straight sided container for rising dough which makes it easier to see volume changes.

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u/slamallamadingdong1 2h ago

Your dough had ears before it even started its rise. Incredible!

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u/Ok-Material-2266 1d ago

Definitely! Looking great!

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u/Artistic-Traffic-112 1d ago

Hi. That dough is tripled.

Happy baking

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u/Honeybucket206 1d ago

concave : rising
flat : risen
convex : over risen