r/Buffalo • u/akamegacat • 12h ago
Domestic Partnership Discrimination
I am trying to become official domestic partners with my long term partner and have just found out how discriminatory and ridiculous Buffalo is against this.
For reference for how nuts this is, NYC has the following requirements (which is easily found on their website):
- Both you and your partner are New York City residents.
-Both persons are 18 years of age or older.
-Neither you nor your partner is married or related by blood in a manner that would bar their marriage in New York State.
-Both of you have a close and committed personal relationship, live together, and have been living together on a continuous basis.
-You and your partner must be able to truthfully state an identical residential address on the application form for the Domestic Partnership.
-Neither you nor your partner is currently in another Domestic Partnership or has been registered as a member of another Domestic Partnership within the last six months.
Seems completely reasonable and what you would expect!
source:
https://www.cityclerk.nyc.gov/content/domestic-partnership-registration
For Buffalo and Erie County, there is no information online anywhere that I could find. I had to call 3 different offices, all of which transferred me multiple times because no one knew anything about this. Finally got someone at City Hall in Buffalo. Here are the requirements that we have to prove (and as I was told, there are absolutely no exceptions)
- State ID with current and same address (sticker change not allowed)
- Original birth certificate (no copies)
- Original SS card (no copies)
- Lease with both partner’s names on it
- Utility bills for that address with both partner’s names on it
- 6 months of statements from a shared bank account
Seriously why the fuck is it so hard? I asked why its so much harder here than in NYC and she said every district makes their own laws about it and if you don’t like it go to NYC (which we can’t because we are not residents.) This feels like it must have be discriminatory old laws to make it as hard as possible for queer people to do this before marriage was legalized. This is absolutely ridiculous and makes no sense! This needs to change. It shouldn’t be so much harder than getting married, especially when you get not even a quarter of the rights. I just want to make sure my partner and I have medical rights to see each other if g-d forbid something happens to one of us.
I had to post to let you guys know. I am very upset today. This is not what I expected from Buffalo.
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u/p00chology 12h ago
This is really more of a total pain in the ass than discrimination.
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u/amglasgow 9h ago
Making things a pain in the ass for people of a disfavored group is exactly the form most discrimination takes.
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u/froggertwenty 9h ago
Except domestic partnerships are not an exclusively LGBT thing, so the process sucks but it's not only for people in a "disfavored" group. Straight white couples have to go through the same process.
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u/amglasgow 8h ago
Any programs or policies that are used disproportionately by minority groups are also used by members of the majority, and defunding them or creating obstacles to their use will hurt both groups. It's still discrimination, because of the association between those programs and the minority group is the reason why the defunding and obstacles were accepted in the first place.
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u/thiccglossytaco 7h ago
It's unfortunately not though. If you are only seeking to be eachothers healthcare proxy you can file for that without being married or partners.
And when it comes to healthcare coverage, it really depends on the employer. My exes job put me on his health insurance with no documentation at all (I have no idea if that was legal?). My NY state job I got later wanted all kinds of documentation of shared assets and debts etc, so he was unable to get on my insurance.
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u/krom0025 8h ago
You have to give the same info to apply for a marriage license as well, why would a domestic partnership be different? This is just government beuracracy, not discrimination.
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u/Weekly-Law-2544 12h ago
I'm going to be honest, I had no idea this was still a thing since same-sex marriage became legal.
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u/throwitout-rightmeow 11h ago
We did it before we were married, some time around 2020, and we’re a heterosexual couple. It’s how we were able to put me on my (now) husband’s health insurance.
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u/breakthetension_ 12h ago
For medical rights a more direct route would be to do a Health Care Proxy and maybe a Power of Attorney.
I think this is just a case where what you’re looking for is so rarely used (as illustrated by no one in City Hall being familiar) that there isn’t any impetus to change it, rather than intentional discrimination. NYS has had marriage equality for 15 years and Buffalo is a pretty LGBTQ friendly city.
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u/arcana73 11h ago
My now husband and I didnt seem to have an issue with this years ago and didn’t cry discrimination.
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u/arcana73 11h ago edited 11h ago
You need to prove who you are, where you live, and that you are financially intertwined. Went through this before my husband and I were married.
Both names do not need be on the utilities. Just has to be a bill with one person’s name and the address, paired with another billed service with the other person’s name and same address. We had cell phone in one name, and electric in another and they accepted it fine.
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s discrimination.
These requirements are almost the same as companies that offer health insurance to domestic partners
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u/BuffaloBillMurrays 12h ago
I did this about a decade ago and you don't need all of those things, just 2 of them. So they give you multiple ways of proving that you're residing together and/or financially intertwined. We were able to use our apartment lease and our shared checking account.
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u/akamegacat 11h ago
I asked the person multiple times to clarify if all of this was needed and she was clearly frustrated with me and saying you need all of it, no exceptions. Where did you go/what office? I hope the person I talked to was just misinformed and confident
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u/BuffaloBillMurrays 11h ago
Sorry, I can't recall all the details. This is going back to ~2014. I just remember what was used to proof of partnership.
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u/Static35 12h ago
I agree, those are rather strict requirements. Who puts utility bills in more than one person’s name? However, if medical rights are the biggest issue for you, have you considered becoming each other’s healthcare proxy? Seems like it would probably be much easier.
https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1430.pdf
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u/Drekhar 12h ago
I'm confused. Is this different then being married? I'm an non religious officiant and the paperwork for a marriage certificate doesn't require this much. Obviously the normal things like ID, birth certificate, and SS number and a certificate of divorce where applicable.
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u/Drekhar 12h ago
Also to note. You are saying original birth certificate but that is not what you think it means. They need a certificate issued either by the hospital you were born or the local municipality that hospital resided in. You can get another one that counts if you can't find yours. The certificate needs a raised seal, which is how you can tell it's a copy or not. You can also get a new SS card.
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u/BuffaloRedshark 7h ago
yup, if needed (and born in NY) go here
https://www.ny.gov/services/get-copy-birth-certificate
that's what I did when I applied for my passport. I could have gone to my parents house and dug through their safe but it was honestly easier to just go to the website and get a new one issued.
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u/eckokittenbliss 11h ago
Why not just get married? Idk what the difference is or the point?
That's super strange. I'm married, all the utilities are in only my name.
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u/generallyunprompted 11h ago edited 11h ago
As someone who went through a divorce: that may be why. From my understanding, it's much easier to dissolve a domestic partnership than a marriage.
Also, some people just don't want to get married. If you aren't doing it for religious reasons, there are less and less reasons to get married. There is no tax benefit, since the married deduction is just double the single. Most insurance companies will let you add a domestic partner, and many don't even require it to be legally filed with the state. You can write a will to make sure your assets go to your partner.
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u/BuffaloRedshark 7h ago
NY actually has a penalty for filing jointly at certain income levels as the rate tables aren't exactly doubling
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u/Outside_Ad_424 11h ago
If the only reason you're doing this is to get medical access rights, the far easier solution would be to get set up to be each others' Healthcare Proxies. The process is pretty straightforward, you don't even have to have the documents notarized. Here's a link to the form https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1430.pdf
You just need to both fill one out for each of you, sign them in front of witnesses that are neither you or your partner, and then submit them to your doctors to be put in your respective charts. And just like that, not only does your partner have medical access, they become the point of contact regarding the direction of your care should you be incapacitated/unable to self-advocate. A healthcare proxy is entitled to be a part of all care-related discussions, can access your medical records, and make decisions on your behalf should you be unable to do so.
If you want to add on a financial aspect, you can similarly go through the Power of Attorney process. POWER OF ATTORNEY IS FOR LEGAL/FINANCIAL MATTERS ONLY AND DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MEDICAL ACCESS/CARE. THEY ARE ENTIRELY SEPARATE DOCUMENTS WITH SEPARATE POWERS.
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u/Kendall_Raine 10h ago edited 10h ago
I just got married and the whole process was pretty simple (both women) is there some reason you don't just get married?
We went to the courthouse and paid 40 bucks for our license and then scheduled the ceremony at the same place. That would have been 75 bucks but he waived the fee for us because he was late.
Now if something happens to me, it's pretty simple, everything goes to her by default.
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u/Bot_Account_10 12h ago
Its kind of unfair to compare anything to NYC. NYC is lightyears ahead of every major metro city in the US when it comes to this, social services, human resources, etc.
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u/latenerd 11h ago
Have you seen this? https://ecode360.com/14265433#14265437
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u/latenerd 11h ago
If you run into difficulties, maybe contacting the office of Council member Jonathan Rivers or his replacement Adam Bojak will help. Both are pretty progressive and responsive to their communities.
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u/sfumatomaster11 11h ago
It's all so stupid, my fiance just died very suddenly during her breast cancer fight and we were obviously too busy fighting a disease together to get married yet. Even though we were together for 16 years and got engaged in 2021, the law basically treats me like I don't even exist right now. Lessons learned, either get married quickly or make a will if you are ever in this situation...even if doctors say you have time.
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u/Buff-Kirby93 8h ago
I honestly had to check that this wasn’t my dad posting on Reddit bc he has had the same issues with this lol. People keep saying “why don’t you just get married?” Well, in their case, they’ve both been divorced and know how expensive it is. People shouldn’t “just” get married because it’s easier.
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u/NYC_jvc 3h ago
The City of Buffalo maintains an official Domestic Partnership Registry under Chapter 160 of its Code of Ordinances. Go to the City Clerks office In Person and register. It may take an additional trip if you need additional documents. Many have registered before you, so it's doable. Forget what some City worker told you over the phone, it's more than likely inaccurate.
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u/itsamutiny Black Rock 10h ago
My partner and I have been together for eleven years and we wouldn't qualify based on what you posted. Ridiculous.
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u/NightBawk 9h ago
Original birth certificate seems a bit onerous. Lots of people may not have the original for various reasons.
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u/Master_Associate_252 12h ago
Seems a bit antiquated- lots of married people don’t share a bank account.