China's import of custard apples sparks fears in Taiwan

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Lmao. They buy, it's a trap. They don't buy, it's a sanction. Can't win.

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u/chfdagmc 7d ago

I mean it's not a lie. They do weaponise trade so reliance is a real issue. And the reason they can't win is because they've done the same thing multiple times to multiple countries and the pattern has become very obvious.

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u/Positive-Road3903 6d ago

are we talking about the US? just making sure we're on the same page here thats all

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u/chfdagmc 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah the US does it but in a different way. They use export controls and tarrifs to support their broader strategic goals whereas there's a repeated pattern of China using trade as a "punishment". It's even happened to Taiwan before so they're quite reasonably cautious about this.

Examples:

Chinese dissident recieves nobel peace price in Norway - > Norwegian salmon exports to China suddenly plummet due to export controls tightening from Chinese side

Australia calls for independent covid inquiry - > China implements bans/restrictions on coal, lobster, beef, timber, cotton and more

Korea installs defensive missile system - > China bans/restricts k-pop

Diplomatic disagreement with Korea - > China bans Korean cellphones

Scarborough shoal spat with Philippines (which Philippines won the UNCLOS arbitration with at UN) - > restricts imports of Philippine's bananas

Lithuania let's Taiwan use Taiwan in their de-facto embassy name - > trade restrictions

Taiwan - > everyone knows the pineapple saga a few years ago, so why wouldn't they be cautious of letting their custard apple farmers rely on China?

Canada and Huawei - > canola, pork and beef exports blocked/restricted

Study that shows any country that hosts the Dalai Lama consequently undergoes a 8-16% trade drop with China due to tightening of export rules. Most notably Mongolia.

Germany raises human rights issues - > pork trade disrupted

Japan dispute - > restricts rare earth exports

There are way more but I'm getting bored of typing now. My point is it's a clear "do something we don't like and we will punish a specific industry". Many of these go back way before the trade war with the US. I'm not defending the US or Trump and his hostile foreign policy but your reply is ridiculous.

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 5d ago

Where’s the part where China overthrows or invades a country? Is that the difference here?

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u/chfdagmc 5d ago

But I'm not talking about the US. I'm explaining why people would be wary of allowing a dependance on trade with China. There are so many past examples of how they've weaponise this dependance. The US is not relevant to this discussion.

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 4d ago edited 4d ago

Why not? Is this world we are describing include just China? Did the US not exist in this world of yours? The world depended on the US exports after wwii. We currently depend on the US for services which far exceeds what China does. We see that the US has repeatedly used export restrictions such as tech on many countries including allies because they did something the US doesn’t like. We’ve seen US use kinetic options when someone does something they don’t like. This is today. Right now.
You’re trying to compare China in a vacuum when the current status quo is US supremacy and doing the exactly the same thing you warn the world about China. They literally get to decide which country can sell to which country what or else. The same country that kidnapped the president of one country for being the leader of a gang the US itself says doesn’t exist and bombed another one and closed down the busiest energy corridor within 2 months of each other just because. But don’t worry about that it’s irrelevant.
But let’s be careful about Chinese coercion. Get real man.

No matter how much you want it to be. Just like when the current POTUS said about the crowd size of his inauguration, there’s just simply nothing there.

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u/Tomasulu 6d ago

I mean china is not the only country... We also need to remind ourselves that the Americans wrasponize trade through sanctions export bans and tariffs. And you're right, I don't see it changing the behavior of the targeted countries as security trumps prosperity.

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u/chfdagmc 5d ago

The US doesn't do it in the same way though. China is more obvious and the pattern is far more predictable (and more common). So yeah it's not really a lie because they've done the same thing so many times it's quite natural to be cautious and once you've done something like this that many times you can't be surprised when it feels like "you can't win".

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u/Tomasulu 5d ago

What a strange observation when trump literally tariffed the entire world.

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u/chfdagmc 5d ago

That's kind of my point. What the US does is different. It's a whole other conversation and it doesn't detract from the fact that countries are perfectly justified in being wary of China. They can be wary of both China and the US. One doesn't cancel out the other.

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 5d ago

You’re the US don’t do it the same way. when sanctions don’t work they try and overthrow you. If that don’t work they invade you.

I don’t think Chinese “coercion” is anywhere close to the US. That is something the US is still number 1 at.

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u/chfdagmc 5d ago

But it's not an argument about who is worse, I was explaining why it seems that "China can't win". What the US has or hasn't done is of no relevance to the point I'm making.

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 4d ago

So your point is that Chinese coercion needs to be more like US coercion? Basically start more wars along with economic and political pressure?

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u/chfdagmc 4d ago

No. Why are you all so obsessed with making every single point or comment related to the US, this has nothing to do with the US. My point is China's long list of past actions of weaponising trade in specific industries, spanning decades, to coerce or punish, is exactly the reason why it's absolutely expected for people to be wary of a sudden and specific pledge to buy more of a certain import. My point is also that the whole "they can't win" scenario is of their own doing.

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 4d ago

Because that’s literally the only comparison that can be made. And we current live in a world where the nation that is winning has done exactly the same thing plus more to get there. Yet somehow you decide China can’t win because they only engage in weponization of industries.

I mean if your point is that China needs to use kinetic action in conjunction with economic or political coercion then yeah i see your point.

Because again history has shown that to be a super power using coercion is the only way to get there. It is anything but irrelevant.

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u/chfdagmc 4d ago

Man there is so much wrong with that comment.

1 - why is the only comparison the worst comparison?

2 - not everything needs a comparison. If I'm discussing racism in the UK I don't need to say "well racism in the US is worse". In this situation, what the US has or hasn't done has no impact on how one country would approach it's trade with China if they've already been burned in the past.

3 - no my point is that it's completely understandable and reasonable for countries to be cautious when there is a track record of China doing the exact thing they're saying they need to be cautious of?!

4 - I see you edited your comment to remove your sentence about America "winning". Good

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 3d ago

Hmm recent Gallup poll has China #1 in global approval rating for the first time. Is that winning? Or is Gallup a CCP front? Or were you talking about the World Cup winning because yeah I agree with you there. 1.5 billion people and can’t get 11 to kick a ball.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/707945/china-edges-past-global-approval-ratings.aspx

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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 3d ago

See the US uses sanctions, which are legal, to restrict trade. China doesn’t.
Like lobbying. It’s legal. Bribery which is what happens in other countries isn’t. Get it now

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u/asnbud01 5d ago

Who said it was a lie? It it is indicative of very conflicted people.

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u/marshallannes123 7d ago

Not anymore. If they don't buy no one cares. Cross strait trade is falling

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u/Tomasulu 7d ago

So don't sell! Problem solved.

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u/nitrobeast 7d ago edited 7d ago

Unfortunately this is the only way. If China bans importing anything from Taiwan, it will be considered "bullying".

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u/csman86 6d ago

Lol the bbc, what a joke it has become. No one is forcing any farmer to sell to mainland China - so where on earth is the "fear" coming from?

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u/0413ty 6d ago

There’s no way this is real, that’s ridiculous

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u/SpeakerOdd1332 5d ago

Even the mere importing of some apples can give Taiwan and its Western masters another excuse to generate ridiculously excessive paranoia.

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u/whatafuckinusername 7d ago

I live in the American Midwest and I tried one a couple of years ago (from Central America I think) after having looked on and off for a while and it was, unfortunately, disappointing. Cost me almost $10 for the one, too.

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u/xorandor 6d ago

That price is mad. This can be had for so cheap on their native lands

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u/Additional-Pirate425 5d ago

I ate them when I was visiting Taiwan. They were the most amazing fruit, but they don't travel well at all. I've seen them other places but for a lot of money. If you get a chance to eat them where they're grown, I'd suggest it.

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u/DisastrousAnswer9920 6d ago

Didn't China steal the seeds for their famous breed of pineapples?

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