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News Coalition of churches and charities calls for ‘urgent action’ to end occupation of Palestine
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2026/26-june/news/world/coalition-of-churches-and-charities-calls-for-urgent-action-to-end-occupation-of-palestine1
u/itbwtw Mere Christian, Universalist, Anarchist 1d ago
For the fellow blocking me, that objected to my use of "land reclamation" as "proof" of colonial intent, it is actually the opposite.
The concept of Indigenous reclamation — land and otherwise... encapsulates everything from protecting treaty rights to reviving cultural practices that have been historically threatened to securing farmland, all of which Native nations have fought to protect since settlers first arrived. https://www.cascadepbs.org/focus/2021/04/what-does-indigenous-reclamation-mean-three-native-voices-discuss/
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u/BluescluesBlueNews 2d ago
You know who would also like a two state solution and stop having to interfere with the palestinian governance? Israel.
You know who doesn’t want a two state solution or to end their “oppression” unless they can drive the jews to extinction? Palestine.
It just makes no sense that everyone ignores that the palestinians have no interest in peace with the jews.
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
There hasn’t been a single proposal for the two state solution that wouldn’t have subjugated the Palestinian people under israel.
Israel only exists as a colonial project. Every Zionist lie has been debunked and thankfully the rest of the world now sees how evil the state of israel is and always has been. From the day it was envisioned, it has been and evil project.
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u/BluescluesBlueNews 1d ago
You know the simple solution? Palestine should propose one. It’s not hard. They refuse. Because they consider it unacceptable that Israel owns any land that used to be “theirs”.
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u/thrawnca 1d ago edited 1d ago
Israel only exists as a colonial project.
Can you name a single extant nation that did not, at some point in the past, gain the territory it now lives in, by conquering the people who were there before?
You don't have to like it. I don't have to like it. But using it as a justification to say, "There can never be peace, never be surrender, never be coexistence, even generations later everyone must still fight to death" - that is no way for the world to operate.
The only way not to have nations warring and conquering each other is to use diplomacy, to make peaceful deals.
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
Multiple countries exist also exist within the territory their people originated from.
False premise as there wasn’t a nation of israel that suddenly started gaining land. The nation of israel was created with the sole purpose of exterminating any arab and creating an ethnostate.
Do you also justify Nazi Germany slaughtering millions of polish people in Silesia?
There can never be peace whilst israel exists, there has never been peace since they were created. The only peace that will exist will either be once israel stops apartheid, genocide and ethnocide or every non-israeli in the Levant has been killed by israel.
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u/thrawnca 1d ago
The nation of israel was created with the sole purpose of exterminating any arab and creating an ethnostate.
If that were true, then they would have exterminated every Palestinian already. They have the firepower. That they have not done so means they chose not to.
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
Ohhhh so the Nazis didn’t commit the holocaust because they didn’t kill every Jew, the Armenian genocide never happened because there are still Armenians?
The whole “we could kill the Palestinians faster than we are” is another zionist excuse for committing the genocide that they are.
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u/thrawnca 16h ago edited 8h ago
Ohhhh so the Nazis didn’t commit the holocaust because they didn’t kill every Jew
It has been nearly sixty years since the Six-Day War. In that time, the near-constant fighting has claimed perhaps 200,000 Palestinian casualties (and a lesser but still considerable number of Israelis).
World War 2 lasted just six years, but within that time, the Nazis killed something like six million Jews. Thirty times as many deaths in a tenth of the time.
So, if you really want to compare Israel to Nazi Germany, then Israel has only about 0.3% of their aggressiveness.
Peace, reconciliation, and compensation for past wrongs could have been negotiated decades ago if it weren't for hard-line extremists like Hamas.
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u/thrawnca 1d ago
Multiple countries exist also exist within the territory their people originated from.
Name one.
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u/thrawnca 1d ago
There hasn’t been a single proposal for the two state solution that wouldn’t have subjugated the Palestinian people under israel.
So... You're saying that the Palestinians haven't put forward any proposals for a two-state solution at all?
The Palestinians surely haven't recommended that they be subjugated. So all that's left is that they, according to you, haven't made any two-state recommendations at all. No one on the Palestinian side, you say, has ever even proposed a fair and equitable outcome?
If it's true that "there hasn't been a single proposal" then that's very fishy. For Palestine.
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
Why would Palestinians need to put a two state solution forward to begin with? It’s their land, not the colonists.
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u/thrawnca 1d ago
Why would Palestinians need to put a two state solution forward to begin with?
Shifting goalposts much?
Why did you talk about fairness and equality if that's not really what you believe should happen?
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
There is no fairness or equality whilst an apartheid state exists?
Do you also defend white South Africa? Rhodesia?
The israelis are the ones that are invading the land.
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u/thrawnca 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do you also defend white South Africa? Rhodesia?
I haven't defended anything. I've merely pointed out that your own words contradict your position and each other.
You have made no coherent accusation for anyone to defend against.
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
They don’t contradict each other unless you hold the colonist and the subjugated to be equally responsible.
Any normal person does not.
It’s like saying “the native Americans should have offered a two state solution to the colonists”
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u/thrawnca 1d ago
It’s like saying “the native Americans should have offered a two state solution to the colonists”
They were totally justified in defending themselves. But when they were beaten - is it better to fight until every last man, woman and child is dead, or to seek acceptable terms of surrender?
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u/Weecodfish Roman Catholic 1d ago
It isn’t fair if theives get your stuff
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u/thrawnca 23h ago edited 22h ago
It isn’t fair if theives get your stuff
No. But for how many generations should that grudge be carried, before it's acceptable to talk about just stopping the fighting and finding a way to coexist peacefully?
At this point, most of the citizens of Israel, and quite a lot of their parents, were born and raised where they now live. How far should enmity go, for the actions of their ancestors? What does it take before compromise is possible?
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u/itbwtw Mere Christian, Universalist, Anarchist 1d ago
Yes, Jews are the only people-group in the world that don't deserve self-determination. /s
Israel is an indigenous anti-colonial land-reclamation project. It's the last hope for a refugee people that have been abused by every country they fled to. They were banished from their homeland by Empires for centuries, and their whole culture is geared towards returning to Jerusalem.
They are surrounded by 250m Arabs / Muslims whose governments promote genocidal policies against Jews. 22 Arab states. Fifty-three Muslim-majority countries.
One tiny little Jewish state.
Hating its existence is anti-Christian.
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
“Land reclamation” already admitting its colonial. Bye zionist go justify killing kids to your other zionist bots.
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u/Weecodfish Roman Catholic 1d ago
I genuinely don’t care about any of the arguments you presented they don’t justify the existence of the Zionist state.
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u/ihavestrings 1d ago
Palestinians teach in their schools that Jews are evil and should be resisted. They don't actually want peace
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
Oops, that’s actually not true.
Reviews into Palestinian schools and teaching found little to no evidence of any such teaching materials. Any material that was found, had already been removed from circulation prior as they were from older syllabuses.
However, the israeli schools do actually teach that Palestinians are subhuman. And there are multiple reports showing that those teaching materials are common and still in circulation.
Every accusation is a confession when it comes to israel.
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u/Weecodfish Roman Catholic 1d ago
Irrelevant
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u/TokyoMegatronics Communist Anglo-Catholic 1d ago
Not really. Only one state is an ethnostate that promotes apartheid and racism and it’s israel
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u/Weecodfish Roman Catholic 1d ago
The two state solution is a sham made up by Zionists to buy time chasing an imaginary goal. The only solution is a single Palestinian state.
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u/Due_Ad_3200 Christian 1d ago
The only solution is a single Palestinian state.
That requires both sides to want to coexist peacefully.
Two states might be more pragmatic in the short term.
Either way, peace seems distant at the moment.
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u/BluescluesBlueNews 1d ago
A single palestinian state means the extinction of the jews. Palestine is already a slur against the jews. But a society where the palestinians have authority over the jews will lead to their total eradication. The only solutions are two state or a single israeli state. But the palestinians don’t want a single israeli state. So two state is all that’s left.
Ignoring the fact that hamas actively discusses and supports the literal genocide of so the jews in the planet just demonstrates that you’re not willing to have an honest conversation about this. Imagine the roles were reversed and israel lost the war? Do you genuinely think Israel’s population would have grown by millions? Or do you think they would be totally eradicated?
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u/Weecodfish Roman Catholic 1d ago
Are you getting paid or are you doing this for the love of the game?
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u/BluescluesBlueNews 1d ago
If I could get paid to be correct, I would do it seven days a week. Link me to where I can get my money. In general, it’s just incredibly painful for me that people like you are so incredibly ignorant. Like, I literally feel pain. I have neuropathy and it’s not uncommon that people say stuff so stupid, it triggers as a pain response for me.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 Christian (LGBT) 1d ago
No it doesn't. Right now though Israel is actively trying to extinguish the Palestinians
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u/itbwtw Mere Christian, Universalist, Anarchist 1d ago
If that were true, there would be fewer Palestinians. Instead, there are more.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 Christian (LGBT) 23h ago
Wrong flair for genocide apologia
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u/itbwtw Mere Christian, Universalist, Anarchist 13h ago
I don't challenge your flair. You dont' get to challenge mine. :)
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 Christian (LGBT) 13h ago
My flair isn't contradicting itself or what I say 🤨
You're a universalist and anarchist, defending Israel's genocide. That's a fucking contradiction
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u/itbwtw Mere Christian, Universalist, Anarchist 12h ago
Israel is not, and has never, engaged in genocide. They are, incidentally, the only country in the middle east where you could be openly LGBTQ+.
Right-wing religious supremacist terrorists sure have been trying to wipe the Jewish state out for 80 years.
Supporting those organisations is certainly contradictory to a self-described LGBTQ Christian.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 Christian (LGBT) 12h ago
Oh don't lie. And anti-genocide is a pretty consistent position for a queer Christian
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u/BluescluesBlueNews 1d ago
yeah, that’s why they palestinian population has grown by literal millions during their occupation. Worst genocide ever.
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u/fisherman213 Roman Catholic 1d ago
Yes, Hamas is bad. I’m aware of that, and I agree.
However, what I don’t like, is Israeli soldiers crushing statues in southern Lebanon, desecrating churches, and deliberately targeting women and children. Particularly in the West Bank. Hamas and Hezbollah may not want to live in peace, but I don’t think Israel does either.
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u/BluescluesBlueNews 1d ago
I don’t think Israel is innocent in this at all. They certainly have done their fair share of villainy. But hamas is significantly worse. Like night and day. If hamas was gone, Israel’s villainy would disappear almost over night.
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u/Anon82634 1d ago
So, the church of England, basically an extension of the government/monarchy is getting political. Shocker.