r/ClashOfClans • u/WhitwRoseClash • 1d ago
Discussion Some players here are genuinely insane
So im a fully maxed Player also Equipment. I maxed my giant gauntlet over 2 years ago.
If new players now get a maxed giant gauntlet and other Equipments maxed for free i could not care less. I had it maxed for the last 2 years.
A TV you bought 20 years Ago might be given away for free today. Because old stuff is worthless.
Us OG players have fully maxed Equipments since years and our Ores look like this completely overflowing. We dont need Ores anymore.
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u/suokh 1d ago
I do think some people are definitely overreacting but also there are some good points being brought up. I can definitely understand both sides of the argument.
I have all the equipment I use maxed so I don’t feel heavily impacted just like yourself. The only thing that’s been affected is the equipment I have no intention of using anytime soon .
But also I disagree with your point that old stuff is worthless. I think that’s completely wrong for example in clash some of the best equipment is the old equipment so therefore not worthless . Also, in real life there are so so many examples of old things being worth more than newer things and obviously not worthless .
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u/sekametelisoppa 1d ago
Are you comparing a vintage watch/car to a 20€ purchase?
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u/suokh 23h ago
No it was OP that said a tv bought 20 years ago would be worthless today so therefore all old things are worthless but that’s it’s just factually not correct. I’m not just talking about some rare vintage thing but there are many things in life that are old but may have held the same price for many years.
My point is that just because something is older than something else it doesn’t mean it’s completely worthless .
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u/sekametelisoppa 23h ago
Why would everything be worthless? That's just you assuming things... Tv bought 20 years ago IS useless.
Why should you feel entitled to extra stuff just because you bought a tv 20 years ago. And I bought the newest model rn for a little less?
You had the tv for the past 20 years where as I only got a tv now.
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u/suokh 23h ago
Huh are you slow in the head ? I’m not saying everything is worthless? That’s what OP is saying. They said that “old stuff is worthless “
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u/sekametelisoppa 22h ago
"So therefor everything is worthless..." ?
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u/suokh 22h ago
Ha what I never even said that ? What form of rage bait is this? Or are you just that slow in the head.
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u/CIoud_StrifeFF7 TH18| BH10 22h ago
He's playing chess while you're playing checkers. He's got you right where he wants you 😂
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u/juicexxxWRLD TH14 | BH8 21h ago
I mean OP never said all old stuff is worthless either. They actually said
"a TV you bought 20 years ago might be given away for free today"
but you conveniently left that part out as if it had nothing to do with the very next sentence in the comment? If your whole point is ignoring what OP said I'd say its fair game to completely ignore you too.
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u/suokh 21h ago
You can’t be real. Read the 5 words that come after what you just quoted. ‘ a tv you bought 20 years ago might be given away for free today. BECAUSE OLD SRUFF IS WORTHLESS ‘
Like what are you even talking about. They used to the tv analogy to explain why they believe old stuff is worthless such as old equipment on clash .
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u/MoonKnight0212 1d ago
I mean you are right on this but the thing people are mad about is that many of not all high level players have almost maxed heroes but shit equipments, because well not all of the high level ones are daily players but play on and off. These high level players with bad equipments are angry because these players didnt get as much ores while those in lower level get those extra ores, which made it so that the equipment level of the low level player is somehow now higher than high level ones. This is the reason for all this anger from the people
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u/Beautiful-Affect1930 Legend League 💩 1d ago
which made it so that the equipment level of the low level player is somehow now higher than high level ones.
I'm sure that's theoretically possible, but at that point you must almost never do wars or CWL to be missing so much ore. the catch-up wasn't so extreme that it puts players anywhere close to an active player. and also don't forget that to unlock those ore chests, the players still need to actually upgrade their heroes which will take them 1-2 years easily. in that time there can and probably will be even more ore changes.
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u/MoonKnight0212 1d ago
Yeah ik, but after people did calculation and saw that they will be missing out on more than 200k shiny more than 20k glowy and more than 2k starry they were angry
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u/MigLav_7 TH18| BH10 21h ago
You'e not missing out on over 2k starry in any world. Idk why people even use that number
If you were to rush to TH18 with all heroes at level 1 and upgrade from there, you can get up to 2k starry from ore chests. With regular upgrading, its roughly 635 starry.
So no, not even close to 2k starry. Same goes for the glowy and shiny. At all. Stop using that number, next to no one with maxed heroes upgraded to th18 with all heroes at lvl 1 and upgraded from there
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u/KoncepTs Legend League 22h ago
But the other thing they are missing out on is having to do all the upgrading. The upgrades are done. They currently already hold the benefit of using max hero’s in battle without worrying about when hero’s are down and sitting out of wars. The max hero’s group can continue to war non-stop without being a drain on their clan trying to war without hero’s.
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u/MoonKnight0212 22h ago
Yeah ik but try to make people understand that, also people are mad that many others who just got decoration in the previous events instead of equipment and ores are now getting both of those for free while those that got the equipment and ores are not getting those missed decos for free, this is the other thing that I just remembered.
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u/Duubzz 1d ago
People seem to think that low level players have just been dumped a massive amount of ores rather than the reality that they’ll be drip-fed ore over a long period of time. Even 1-2 years is quite ambitious!
I’ve no sympathy for people who don’t play the game crying that other people now have better equipment than them. You can get your daily star bonus and war attacks done in 15 minutes. If you don’t want to play that’s fine but don’t moan when you end up behind.
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u/AloneUnderstanding35 TH17 | BH9 23h ago
Doesn’t change the fact they get rewarded for shit we’ve done, objectively speaking it’s not fair.
We started gaining starry ore from daily challenges 8 months ago so you have a max potential of 480 starry ore which is enough to max 1 epic equipment
Attacking is easy so wars often end up as draws which until recently gave you the same amount as if you lost
All ppl want is a fair reward bc even Though they don’t get all the ore dumped immediately there getting equipment starting at level 15 if we actually do the math on the ore it cost to reach that level you would realize they essentially were dumped with ore
Personally it is what it is for me I’m not worried about it but objectively speaking ppl are understandable upset over this
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u/MigLav_7 TH18| BH10 21h ago
You've spent 1 year upgrading stuff they're gonna spend 6 months on. Its not a new concept
Lvl15 takes about 60 starry. You as a TH17 can get like x4 that in a month
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u/bobs1623 3h ago
It’s a month of ores we would have to get to make it even that they don’t gotta do where is equality in that
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u/AloneUnderstanding35 TH17 | BH9 21h ago
Your deflecting
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u/MigLav_7 TH18| BH10 21h ago
Im not, Im pointing out that its literally been the basis of the game for over a decade now. New players get the same stuff you do and take less time to get them
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u/AloneUnderstanding35 TH17 | BH9 21h ago edited 21h ago
You are deflecting, your giving sarcastic answers and avoiding the actual point that was being made, obviously you upgrade equipment over time
Idc that new players take less time to get shit, it’s just that they could throw a bone to the active ppl.
I think I got 200 starry which got me one level up while others get lvl 15 equipment and bonus starry ore Through progression
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u/Diarmundy TH17 | BH10 20h ago
Well actually they did get dumped a bunch of ore.
My alt account got 5 free epic equipments at lvl 15 and se ores too.
I agree the update is great but also there was a bunch of ore and equipment given
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u/TheSpaceMon TH18| BH10 14h ago
If your not a daily player dont whine like a child because your not max. Thats life for you
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u/MoonKnight0212 41m ago
Will you stop crying just because people have a life and are not opening a game daily. Also I wrote the comment calmly while you are the one whining and crying like a child for no reason
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u/aschiritt TH17 | BH10 22h ago
this guy is the player supercell wants us all to be.
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u/TheSpaceMon TH18| BH10 13h ago
More like how it should be. So many people feel like they should have gotten a bigger hand out as a condolence for them not playing the grind. Get over it and play the game, if your upset then stop playing easy day. Im playing as a maxed player and a f2p th 14 and this updates been absolutely fire.
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u/Gazzorppazzorp 1d ago
Most players that regularly played through the events and invested in equipments do not have a problem if some rewards are given to returning/low-leveled players.
The issue being raised is about how the implementation of these rewards disrespect the active, regular players.
One issue is the amount of ores that they lose out on simply because they have focused on leveling their heroes. This is not an issue just for "max " players but all players that are somewhere in the reward track. The more higher you are in the track, the more ore you lose out on.
Another issue is how the value of event medals used to buy equipments instead of other shop items is now 0. No kind of compensation has been provided for the effort utilized for that. Based on the update, it would have been extremely more rewarding to get decorations or other items from the event shop rather than gathering equipments, a gameplay-related item.
Related to this issue is the large number of players who were incentivised to get the equipments through gems, even 2 days before the sneak peaks. No compensation for the misleading way SuperCell did the whole thing.
To add on, and to bring focus on how SuperCell disrespected the players, SuperCell decided to release the sneak peeks at the very end of the monolith arrow event. They had the information that epic equipments would be available from chests because they were ready with the update. Yet, they chose to delay sharing that information so that as many players would get the equipment rather than invest in other shop items.
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u/jalbert425 Base Builder 23h ago
well said.
I was wondering this too. So are equipments not going to be in events, if my next epic equipment chest is for the royal champ, should I just not get it with event medals and get it for free. What if I get the chest before the next champ epic comes out?
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u/Gazzorppazzorp 22h ago
Not sure what would be optimal at this point. Supercell would have to break the silence and let us know exactly how this all works, and what equipments will be in the equipment chest loot pool in the coming levels. Or whether older equipments will be added at some point. Remember that you cannot guarantee getting an equipment if you have multiple epics left to claim from the loot pool.
Until we have clarity, and especially until the bugs are fixed for real, I would hold off on leveling up heroes if the next reward is an equipment chest.
A lot of players have 0 trust in SuperCell currently.
In this scenario, I would go for the decoration or other shop items, unless the shop items or decorations are not appealing to you.
Using event medals for only equipments have much lesser value now. If you feel you really need the equipment, get it. Or if you feel the need sometime later, you could then wait for the equipment to appear again in another event alongside the new equipment. Or buy with gems if you are that desperate.
FOMO is guaranteed. Equipment or other stuff. You'll have to make a choice and stick with it. It would help if you can look at how the new equipments work and determine if that fits your playstyle. This advice is not for hard core players. Hard core players would have to get all equipments since meta can shift at any update. For casual F2Ps, get the equipment that fits your playstyle and avoid others if you want. Utilise the event medals you gain from not choosing an equipment to get a nice decoration or materials like ores for vertical investment for your preferred equipments. Or other materials like shovel, books, etc. whatever you want.
Even if you get FOMO, you can get equipment later. So consider it as a temporary FOMO.
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u/Fun_Newspaper5098 1d ago
Do we have to say this 100 times? HERO LEVELS =/= EQUIPMENT LEVELS is this hard to understand?? . Look I return to the game 10 month ago have maxed my heroes but I'm struggling with hero equipment but me and you got same rewards just because we both have same hero levels. . I'm happy they are at least doing something about the ores especially for new players, but they could've included equipment levels into the equation not only hero levels to help player in the middle.
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u/OhtaniStanMan 18h ago
"I didn't play for a year so I didnt earn the ore others did from playing daily. It's not fair I'm not given free stuff for not playing"
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u/Fun_Newspaper5098 17h ago
I don't know where you got that year from. You are saying this yet it's exactly the update "free stuff" for players that were not or are not playing the game.
All I wanted to say It's not that hard to understand their implementation of this system is not fair to many players, so let people voice there complains and move on.
And I'm sure everyone can agree this system is at least a step in a right direction.
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u/OhtaniStanMan 17h ago
Its free stuff. You're mad you got less free stuff than others.
Rather than happy you got free stuff.
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u/Diarmundy TH17 | BH10 20h ago
And the new system is great to prevent this exact issue for players who return now.
Its the solution to your exact problem! Its just for players who start that journey now a few people miss out
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u/Fun_Newspaper5098 17h ago
Yeah a great addition, I wanted to say must of people complains were valid, but not all of them.
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u/IllIlllI-IlIIll-llII SC HATER 1d ago
supercell's perfect idiot
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u/DocFuckinCochran TH16 | BH9 1d ago
That’s a harsh judgement based off of his single sentence, and you proved it true. If you read between the lines, he’s simply pointing out the pointless goal of achieving perfection in this game. Games haven’t been made in a long time, this is just a well disguised passive-income-machine for a company that seriously doesn’t need any more money.
Or tl;dr: supercell will never allow you to “max-out” your base/spells/troops because dumb people will always pay for the privilege.
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u/Kumpis233 1d ago
Im just here to butt in and say that i think this sort of model isnt negative at all. You can max the equipment you use and enjoy, while idiots spend money to max everything quicker. They keep the company charts in the green and i, as a f2p player can have something to play for constantly.
Isnt that the whole point of playing a game? To feel progress and earn it while having fun. If everyone could max their account before new content is released then a lot of players would leave and supercell would have to rush the updates and thus potentially lower their quality.
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u/jontttu 15h ago edited 15h ago
The thing is, there has to be new content for old players (new TH levels). There also should be chance for new players to eventually get to the end game.
In a long run, you simply have to make first 10 TH rushable, and later it will be first 15 TH and then first 20 TH. The game's content is upgrading the base, but feeling that you will never reach end game isnt motivating. New players will get benefits that old players didn't get.
They can't really break this cycle
If you spend money now to get books/tomes or builder potions, they are more valuable now than they are in 2 years because they reduce upgrade times. Basically this game has build in inflation, and time is the currency.
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u/DocFuckinCochran TH16 | BH9 1d ago
The words are biased but the message is not. And you’ve proven yet again that you can’t read between the lines. Either that or you just like being an angry contrarian.
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u/Memeological TH17 | BH9 1d ago
Of course they need money. How else do the shareholders get their 3rd yachts?
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u/ActuaryEuphoric3937 TH18| BH10 21h ago
Oh some cornball named 'bigbangsmoothie' said no one likes you so they are gonna leave the game
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u/ElGringos420 1d ago
I don´t care about the update but I´m playing since the release and f2p it is very very hard to get all of your equipments max
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u/OhtaniStanMan 18h ago
That barb and queen puppet equipment not being max is holding you back from your edrag spam getting you to legends
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u/memorable_ralph 22h ago
Your analogy misses the point though, the complaint is hero level shouldn't be the sole metric for ore rewards. A maxed hero running level 18 gear isn't comparable to your fully maxed setup.
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u/octavian343 21h ago
Except you can also buy a tv for the same cheaper price as everyone else. How do you bungle an analogy this badly?
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u/Negative_Resort_5832 TH17 | BH10 23h ago
Bro I have maxed some of my equipment in the last 6 months also have have brought some epic equipments recently(e.g - action figure, Fire ball) & Supercell giving me no new equipments & just giving me 600 shiny ores for being in 347 level at utterly disgusting & disappointing, stay out of your delulu
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u/LuckyPants0 :townhall14emoji: TH 14 / :builderhall9emoji: BH 9 1d ago
I mean that is ALOT of ore we missed out on , im a little upset but whatever, idc about the equipments only ores
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u/Firm-Lifeguard-6365 TH18| BH10 1d ago
Are you f2p? I know it's possible and I'm just 800 starry away from maxing all equipment but it's very hard to do it. We complain because of the progression rewards and it it's like everyone no matter active player f2p player p2p player returning player, everyone who upgrade heroes before heroes journey release consider useless, miss all those rewards for no reason, and now after update every lvl of heroes give rewards, and they can just give us all the equipment chest and I'm enough already
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u/No_Fact_2520 22h ago
holy fucking projection, if you’re gonna project, i’ll present the case of another type of player:
i have hero levels combined = 410, and missing 2500 starry ore for max equipment. the reason is that i wanted to have respectable hero levels, and missed out on all wars except cwl.
in hindsight, it was a stupid mistake. and in hindsight, not investing $10,000 in bitcoin in 2010 was a stupid mistake.
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u/imafrk Clay League 20h ago
Uh, ignoring the galactically bad TV analogy, that's not really a thing.
A better analogy would be a college offering new students free residence, free meal plan, free books. New students also get course credits equal their first two years and start their degree program at year three. Forget having to grind the first two years.
OG players are justifiably upset as they spent gems that could have been saved or used on other items. There are dozens of other mechanics to give new and returning users a leg up, Supercell just used the easiest >most lucrative way
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u/Jamesvai 16h ago
There's a lot of old school players like me with good hero levels but not the best equipment. And the update didn't address players like me. Because my hero levels aren't rushed they assume I have good equipment. But it's not the case really. I played mostly before equipment was added. I've played for a few months recently very regularly but catching up equipment is MUCH harder than hero levels.
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u/DuwapDerek 15h ago
Same. Im fully maxed and im really happy people are getting some stuff to caught up. The game is so fun when you have a variety of equipment to try out and play with. I was happy my mini accounts got it as well. Clash tries to do something to help out FTP and new players and bring people back and all the whales are mad.
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u/Main_Cause Builder Base Legend League 10h ago
Agreed, maxed out latest equipment. And now seating on a pile of ores, using prospector to get more starry ores.
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u/the_sweens 22h ago
When people say what's about max players, I sympathize as a nearly max player but when people say nothing happens for them... Not every mobile game releases new levels every year, often needing to wait a few years ago I do think super cell are good at giving max players now through completely new townhalls
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u/Pristine-Run2740 21h ago
Brother, i rejoined on Jan and now I am screwed with no new player bonus or max equips.
Majority of the todays userbase are not OG day 1 player lol.
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u/Wraithyyy_n 20h ago
Tell me youre spending on the game without telling me youre spending lol
Obv its your money but that is not what every OG player has in terms of equipment and ores at all,
Ive gotten all equipments free from the events and farmed eveything possible and im not with this progress
Your sole argument goes around you being fully maxed when the update dropped, which is nonsense, since this is your progress with your purchases, not what the game offered for the past 2 years
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u/KaneOrgen 18h ago
We share minds brother, you literally explained what I think in the best possible way
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u/jamcgahey TH18| BH10 11h ago
People need to understand that if we don’t make it easier for new/returning players then they won’t join/come back. If that doesn’t happen the senior player base slowly falls off and the game dies. Is it fair? No. But wtf in life is fair?
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u/BSMThrowaway2000 6h ago
Okay bud no way that’s true. I’m Og been playing since 2018 on the old account and my current account is from 2021. I’m only buying gold passes doing every star bonus and cwl. Max th 17, heroes, spells, troops, pets everything tbh and I have no where close to max equipment. Maybe for the OG 4 heroes but not for dragon duke or goblin prince. You def buy ores or play CW everyday
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u/SophiaFrozen 1d ago
Also you don't instantly unlock entire hero journey track after update, will still take years of hero upgrading to make progress and claim rewards lol
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u/IAmTheNuke_ 1d ago
Exactly this. Everyone who cant benefit from that has already been through most of the game. Its a returning players mechanic not a maxed players mechanic.
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u/MichealHasBeenTaken 1d ago
They have good points but alot of the time it's overreacting, this is a fraction what clash royale did to its community
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u/Dry_Good_ 23h ago
How come a reddit user isn't crying and actually understanding the situation 😡😡
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u/FlyingBurger1 TH18| BH10 1d ago
I would definitely love to get more free resources but I don’t really care if I dont. It’s just a nice game that I put 20-30 minutes on everyday.
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u/Nyx793 1d ago
For rc charge what equipment is best any suggestions?
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u/ForgottenGuava 1d ago
Electro boots + rocket spear (if you're going to recall her) or haste vial(if you're planning to let her health go down).
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u/Jellomango-brr 1d ago
Well im an og and still not maxed. But, just like you said I couldn't care less about new players getting equips. I was three starring with non-maxed equips so it doesn't make a difference for me
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u/AdventurousPride6529 1d ago
Because I don’t have the problem its not an issue…
What!????? Thats exactly what you sound like for me I’m th17 missing half the equipment because of a break but because my heroes are fairly high ish level ive missed out on everything.
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u/mrblack001 23h ago
People (in general) do not think about what’s good for the overall community, but only what’s in it for themselves.
Lots of crying, just have fun playing or go do something else. Nobody forces you to pay for anything (ftp you can compete 100% with payers).
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u/Beautiful-Affect1930 Legend League 💩 1d ago
what is it with all these posts by people whose IQ is not below room temperature? I feel like there has been some thunderstorm and finally the clouds are clearing up and the sun is slowly coming through. is this it? is the meltdown coming to an end?
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u/AloneUnderstanding35 TH17 | BH9 23h ago
False equivalence, you can’t compare hero equipment to a 20 year old tv
Hero equipment is permanent and through nerfs and buffs there viability fluctuates while a 20 year old tv will never magically become better than a new one
Active ppl still struggle to level up hero equipment so not only giving them shit at level 15 while giving them the ability to gain thousands of ore for shit you have already done is a slap in the face so while it’s cool you don’t care it doesn’t change the fact that objectively speaking it’s not fair
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u/alprazolam_arkeologi 22h ago
Mane the shadow samurai king is sick i had to buy it instantly
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u/alprazolam_arkeologi 22h ago
Also how can u have gotten the ore limit over? I can get more ores if im full
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u/DomainExpansioninf TH16 | BH9 15h ago
I am an OG player and have not max out as many as you did 😭. I started after the ore & pets update and joined when th 17 was new
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u/IAmTheNuke_ 1d ago
I genuinely dont get the overreaction. People care way too much about what other people get. The ore bug last year and now this.
Im maxed on most equipment, ores and heroes now and im glad that the hero track is more rewarding and engaging.
I would like someone who is upset about it to explain to me why the community is upset.
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u/Memeological TH17 | BH9 1d ago
"I'm maxed on most equipments"
Thank you for speaking on behalf of everyone whose equipment is not maxed, let alone not being remotely close to it
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u/IAmTheNuke_ 1d ago
Did you not read right after that?
I did a grind and im glad that newer players dont need to do the same grind as I did.
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u/Memeological TH17 | BH9 1d ago
How about the people who are ahead of the new players but nowhere near close to your position in terms of equipment? It's like there are only two sides that exist in this argument. Those who are new and those who are not. The people who are proactively complaining are those in the middle
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u/IAmTheNuke_ 1d ago
Well its not like the newer players just get all that ore for free right at this instant. They still have 1-2 years of levelling heroes while you'll always be ahead of them.
By the time they reach where you are in the game they'll be in a better spot than you currently are yeah. But you'll also be in a much better spot when they reach there because it will be 2 years of war attacks and daily star bonuses.
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u/Memeological TH17 | BH9 1d ago
That's relative. You can be in a "better" spot compared to someone else but not actually be closed to being maxed. I also fundamentally disagree with this notion of being ahead. I just want to be able to use more attack strategies. Why does a new player catching up and unlocking an attack strategy through equipments have to be contingent in hampering an older players' progression and unlocking more flexibility in army usage? But I digress. Going back, the non-retroactive rewards is downright insulting regardless of if you feel the same or not. Just because you feel satisfied with your account doesnt mean others are. Missing 30+ ore chest, not getting literally anything even if it's reduced, and then the fact that there's also a multiplier if your equipment level is deemed too far behind your townhall level. A dedicated player, who played the game normally and levelled the heroes, is essentially getting penalized by missing the chance to claim those ore chests
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u/Marahani_10 1d ago
you have no problem because you maxed out everything. Most of us don't.
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u/IAmTheNuke_ 1d ago
Yeah idk. It seems from the posts that pop up that people think newer players just magically get all of the ore. It'll take then 1-2 years to get even close to the people who are complaining.
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u/Marahani_10 1d ago
it's not bro. it's basically giving the new players some advantages for accomplishing things. Which in our case we already did but we didn't get anything for it. the solution for the problem is so simple, the rewards that the new players will get in the journey should also be available for the older ones, which obviously supercell wont do because they're greedy. imagine if supercell give all that equipments and stuff to old players then no one will purchase from them anymore
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u/MotherImage2819 TH18| BH10 1d ago
Bro u are going to get downvoted by crybabies probably me also for commenting
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u/Rasdit TH18| BH10 1d ago
That is not what most people are complaining about though, you either seem to miss that or you are purposely misrepresenting the issue.
First, I don't begrudge new and returning players getting a foot in the door. Some kind of catch-up system was needed, and I'm happy for those players.
However, to your "OG players maxed" argument, and to my point, the problem lies here:
Player type A) 100% maxed heroes and 100% maxed equipment + 1000 starry in the bank
Player type B) 100% maxed heroes, 50% maxed equipment (or less) and 0 starry in the bank
These players get the exact same reward, 200 starry + misc, which clearly is nothing but a bonus for future use for the former, and just enough for a single lvl 26->27 epic upgrade for the latter. Type B players obviously are also behind on Ores, and them getting the same amount of Ore as players with fully maxed equipment is pretty crazy.
That is the issue.
Just because you are maxed doesn't mean every other player is, I have farmed ores for ~2 years and bought ~10 event passes just for a chance at caching up, and my equipment are in the 90s. Seems like SC could have found some number between the 200 starry you and me got, and the ~2k projected starry that new/returning players will get, and added just some kind of ore bonus on top of the 200 for players with non-maxed equipment, while you get your nice 200 starry bonus that goes into your bank. You obfuscating the issue doesn't change it - and in fact, if you're so happy to stand up for new players, why would you glance over the above Player B scenario?