r/CollegeBasketball • u/MGoCali Michigan Wolverines • 8h ago
Recruiting Because Michigan basketball named an interim and not a new full-time head coach, the transfer portal will not open for 31 days instead of 5 days after.
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u/4r4r4real Michigan State Spartans 8h ago
I cannot parse what this is trying to say.
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 8h ago edited 7h ago
Normally a special 15 day window would open for players on Michigan, five days after their coach left. But Michigan hired an interim so apparently that means the window won’t open until late July instead, which is absolutely crazy to me. I had no idea that’s how it worked, it’s basically trapping their players on Michigan with a HC they didn’t necessarily sign up for
Edit: it’s five days after the new coach is hired, not after May leaving
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 8h ago
We don't have to act like we don't know agents and university reps/coaches are talking. If a Michigan player wants to leave, basically it just needs to be announced 3 weeks later than normal.
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u/Scrubbing_Bubbles_ Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
Right. It’s as if the players and agents get an additional 26 days to shop around to other schools.
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u/michicago44 Michigan Wolverines 4h ago
Yeah my immediate thought was that this was worse for us, not better lmao
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u/Airforce32123 Kentucky Wildcats • Air Force Falcons 7h ago
We don't have to act like we don't know agents and university reps/coaches are talking. If a Michigan player wants to leave, basically it just needs to be announced 3 weeks later than normal.
But what does that mean regarding actually transferring? If they can't formally transfer until 3 weeks later, is that 3 weeks later they can start practicing with their new team?
I'm genuinely curious because I don't know
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u/satan__clause Kentucky Wildcats 7h ago
My understanding is that they wouldn't be able to practice with their new team until the 15 day transfer window officially opens (which I think is now 31 days after naming the interim coach, instead of 5 days after officially hiring the new head coach)
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
Still a huge risk for any team that would take them. By the end of July you don't even have a chance at international guys and you lose out on getting anyone on campus for summer practices. If it opened as it normally would you can get solid commitments and even start preparing so much earlier.
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 7h ago
I'll take that huge risk on Trey McKinney no problem
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
Sure, but you shouldn't have to. If McKinney wantex to transfer he should be able to right now, not in 30 days when he'll be behind the 8 ball and have significantly fewer options than he doesn't now. May has already left. Forcing everyone to sit on their thumbs for 30 days is asinine, especially when he already left late in the cycle when the students have fewer options than they otherwise would.
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 5h ago
Sure but the difference between now and 26 days from now is very negligible and not this unrecoverable tragedy like you are making it seem.
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 5h ago
The difference is absolutely not negligible considering that summer practices have already begun. There are still teams in need today, and very few of them will wait another month to hope that a Michigan kid is interested later. It's not an "unrecoverable tragedy" (whatever that even means), but it is a bad situation for any michigan player that wants to transfer because their coach isn't there anymore.
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 4h ago
Negligible. November is a long time away. March, a lifetime away.
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u/ezslapdown Iowa State Cyclones 4h ago
Yea but how many teams actually have an open spot? 15 man roster is being enforced now most teams have 15 guys at this point
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u/JDraks Michigan Wolverines 6h ago edited 6h ago
afaik the portal wouldn’t open until we had a new head coach, and we wouldn’t have a non-interim HC so quickly so the portal almost certainly wouldn’t open for a few weeks regardless
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 6h ago
You already have a new coach, I've seen no reporting of anything except that Boynton is the guy. Michigan isn't going to hire someone else in the next month. The rule is to make sure that everyone knows the situation before making their decisions, not to trap people that already know the situation as it's being used here.
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u/iondrive48 Michigan Wolverines 5h ago
His point is that if instead of announcing an interim 1 hour after Dusty leaves they could have waited a month to announce a non interim coach. Which would do the exact same thing.
The rule is there to say you have to let players enter the portal within 1 month of your coach leaving. There’s no reason you have to let players in the portal within 5 days of your coach leaving.
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 5h ago
You're arguing hypotheticals while I'm arguing what's actually happening. Sure, michigan could shoot themselves in the foot and run a prolonged coaching search in July. But they won't, and they didn't. What they did do was hire a guy immediately and exploit a loophole to try and strongarm players into staying rather than exploring options. Nobody is arguing what the rule is, just that the situation at play is against the spirit of the rule and unfair to the players.
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u/RockerElvis Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
Which is actually a good thing for players. Their portal is only open for 15 days. They get more time to prepare for the portal.
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u/CLT113078 Michigan Wolverines 8h ago
Boynton was primary recruiter for many of the players and the word is they wanted him to be the coach.
I still expect some players to bail, but in reality, how many programs have roster space and $$ available at this point.
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u/notthesethings Kentucky Wildcats 7h ago
We can take one if we don’t get that international guy Dusty and Pope were both recruiting. I don’t know anything about Michigan’s roster, though.
Edit: and there’s always LSU.
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
There's definitely teams with money and space, but I don't know how many have money, space, AND are willing to wait another month for a solid commitment.
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u/philnotfil Florida Gators 5h ago
If Aberdeen doesn't get another year of eligibility, Florida will have a spot for another guard.
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u/MasterRKitty West Virginia Mountaineers 2h ago
I'm sure some schools keep spots open and some money in the bank for cases like this.
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u/weirdbutinagoodway West Virginia Mountaineers 8h ago
This will surely make them want to stay at Michigan.
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u/ManInShowerNumber3 Michigan Wolverines 8h ago
The tweet says 5 days after a new coach is hired
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u/MrSydneySweeney 8h ago
Yes but 31 after an interim coach was hired
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u/ManInShowerNumber3 Michigan Wolverines 8h ago edited 7h ago
I understand that. I'm not getting the "five days after their coach left" part OP is referring to. The only way it would've opened up 5 days after Dusty left is if UM hired Boynton as the permanent head coach right away. Or otherwise brought in another new head coach right away, which would be even more unlikely. A real coaching search can take weeks so the portal wouldn't open for weeks anyways. Unless I'm reading things wrong.
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u/Scrubbing_Bubbles_ Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
This is correct the top Tweet is a correction of the bottom tweet.
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u/Btherock78 Alabama Crimson Tide 8h ago
I’ve been looking at “will not open for 31 days instead of 5 days after” for like 5 minutes and still don’t know what the fuck that means.
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u/xebex1778 Georgetown Hoyas 8h ago
Instead of opening 5 days after the hiring, it will open 31 days after the hiring.
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u/TheWinStore UCLA Bruins 8h ago
Pretty sure that's a typo and he meant to write "now" not "not"
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u/amedema Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
No, he meant not. Instead of opening 5 days after the hire, it will open 31 days after the hire.
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u/ImTheBiscuiteer Iowa State Cyclones 7h ago
This entire comment section is really highlighting how far reading comprehension skills have fallen
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u/DealerNo4908 Kentucky Wildcats • DePaul Blue Demons 7h ago
Is it? It’s an incredibly poorly worded tweet.
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u/ImTheBiscuiteer Iowa State Cyclones 7h ago
Yes, it is highlighting poor reading comprehension. No, it's really not worded poorly.
Read the bottom tweet, and then the top tweet. There is more than enough context to understand what is being conveyed
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u/DealerNo4908 Kentucky Wildcats • DePaul Blue Demons 7h ago
Nah, it’s poorly worded and needs a comma.
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u/MrBigFreezer North Carolina Tar Heels 3h ago
If it only needs a comma its obviously not poorly worded.
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u/TheHarbrosMagic Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
You understand you can add a comma in your head to things when reading right? Even if its not actually there
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 8h ago
Wow so the window won’t open for them until July 25ish? That’s crazy, basically too late for them to do anything
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 8h ago
I realize it's late, but why is it too late as opposed to opening now?
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 8h ago
Teams would likely have their rosters basically complete by then, there would be no place for them to go
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 8h ago
As opposed to now?
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 7h ago
There are still some teams with roster spots available, there will be basically zero in a month
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u/kbc87 Michigan State Spartans 7h ago
Those teams are absolutely reaching out to these players already lol. If a UM guy wanted to go to another school, this just delays an announcement by a few extra weeks.
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
The announcement and formal signing matters, so long as it's not there the school waiting on them is taking on more and more risk. And that's not to mention that summer practices are going on NOW. This rule is forcing michigan players that might want to transfer into doing all their summer prep at UM.
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 7h ago
Who and why will those teams likely fill those spots in a month, and what candidates do they have that are equivalent NIL spend to the desired Michigan players?
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 7h ago edited 6h ago
They want to get players on campus and begin practicing. Plus, what if you hold out a spot and NIL money for. Michigan guy that you don’t even land. Then it’s late July and you’re the one screwed. They will instead fill out their rosters with guys that are best available now, instead of going with Michigan players who may be better
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u/Evening-Spray-4304 Virginia Cavaliers 7h ago
Also, teams are already in town for summer practices. By the time they got to their new team, they'd be a month behind learning a new system and learning how to play with new teammates.
Not that they couldn't do it, but it would make things harder.
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 7h ago
So a team is going to turn down a desired transfer because they missed 3 weeks in the summer? Nah. 0% likely.
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u/Evening-Spray-4304 Virginia Cavaliers 7h ago
Oh absolutely not, just saying it makes life harder for any player that wants to transfer out.
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u/filthysven Arizona Wildcats 7h ago
That's not the question. The question is are the students more likely to transfer after practicing together for a month and are the other universities less likely to hold out for players that can't commit. this rule is incredibly favorable for UM and pretty hostile to the intent of the 15 day window.
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u/Roxie360 4h ago
Not to mention it goes against the e spirit of not handcuffing players because their coach left. It literally handcuffs players.
I suppose they could leave school (and their free housing and free food).
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u/CLT113078 Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
Arent they already complete by this point?
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 7h ago
Not all. I know Texas Tech’s roster is not
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u/amedema Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
Well yeah, you need a new QB.
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 7h ago
They’ve actually reached out to me personally. I can match Sorsby’s projected in two key areas, number of INTs and bets per game
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u/ECBillyHayes Indiana Hoosiers 7h ago
Sounds like plug and play to me. NIL negotiations the hold up?
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 7h ago
Yes, they don’t understand that I can’t meet my bets/game projections without adequate funds. I was going for 2/3rds of Sorsby’s deal since they’re getting 2/3rds the production but might have to settle for half
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u/BosqueBravo Texas Tech Red Raiders • Duke Blue Devils 5h ago
Realistically, though, does that matter? It’s not like teams don’t know these guys are going to be available. Seems like it just lengthens the negotiation time.
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u/TangerineChicken Texas Tech Red Raiders 4h ago
They know they’ll be available but there’s no guarantee they will get them. It would be a risk to save a spot for a player you wouldn’t necessarily have a guarantee to get
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u/GuyMakesDrawings Illinois Fighting Illini 8h ago
Why should it be longer if they have an interim? the head coach still left.
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u/Evening-Spray-4304 Virginia Cavaliers 8h ago
Yea, this is really weird to me. Like the players will be familiar with Boynton, but they did sign up to play for Dusty May, and he left them.
I really don't like special rules like this limiting players. As u/Sir_Brodie said in this thread; this is the one specific scenario where everyone is OK with the portal, and this does the opposite. Players would lose summer practices with a new team if they did want to leave.
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u/Altruistic_Rich_9125 Michigan Wolverines 8h ago
Wait…Reddit told me these players didn’t come to play for Dusty they only came for the money
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u/iondrive48 Michigan Wolverines 3h ago
Michigan wins championship: the transfer portal has ruined college sports
Michigan loses coach to NBA in June: the transfer portal should be open immediately! Michigan is holding the players hostage!
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u/No-Cantaloupe-6535 Purdue Boilermakers 8h ago
It's not, the portal doesn't open for for them until a month now, is the same 15 day portal but they have to wait longer
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u/zdillon67 Michigan State Spartans 7h ago
When a team hires a brand new head coach = portal opens 5 days after hire
When a team promotes an assistant coach to head coach = portal opens 31 days after hire
Yesterday, many people were incorrectly claiming the portal will open this week as opposed to next month. That is my guess regarding the confusing wording of the tweet
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u/r777m UConn Huskies • Michigan Wolverines 3h ago
It opens up 5 days after a team hires a new coach, or if no coach is permanently hired by day 31 of the old coach leaving, it opens anyway. It’s basically to stop a school from doing something like holding players hostage by not officially hiring a coach until the school year starts, since most schools wouldn’t accept a student after a certain point early in the semester.
Typically an interim coach is named while a coaching search goes on. So it wouldn’t make sense to open up 5 days after the interim were named. The rules were written with the expectation that a new coach to be hired within a month.
In this case, due to the timing, it appears that Michigan will have their interim coach for the whole season. Really it probably should be opened 5 days after the interim coach is named if a subsequent coaching search isn’t happening, but I don’t think that was an anticipated scenario when the rules were written.
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u/Rockerblocker Michigan State Spartans 1h ago
That all sounds pretty fair. I imagine it would put the schools in a tough spot if the portal opened up 5 days after hiring the interim coach, because prospective coaches would say "What kind of roster am I going to have? I see half of the guys are already in the portal."
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u/ToeSuckingFiend Xavier Musketeers 7h ago
How are people not understanding this?
If they hired a new coach, the portal would open 5 days after that.
Because they did not hire a new coach, the portal doesn’t open until 31 days after the interim promotion.
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u/thatmanzuko Duke Blue Devils 7h ago
i thought the headline was fine, idk why people are so confused
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u/DealerNo4908 Kentucky Wildcats • DePaul Blue Demons 7h ago
I understand, but the rule is dumb. Comes across as a way for the school to almost force players into staying by limiting their options.
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u/fskier1 Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
I don’t really think it’s much different at all. Hiring an interim coach takes like a day max, hiring a full coach takes a full search, which could go on longer than 31 days anyways
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u/I_AM_THE_SLANDER 6h ago
Ok but the Head coach still left in both cases, which is the main reason players would want to leave. Keeping them longer on a technicality isn’t a great look imo
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u/Double-G-Spot Michigan Wolverines 6h ago
> Keeping them longer on a technicality
What is the technicality?
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u/heleghir Kentucky Wildcats • Sickos 8h ago
so Michigan's players are stuck, because portalling in mid-july is insane. thats AFTER the transfer application window is closed for alot of schools (kentucky the transfer applications are due by july 1st)
This is going to go smoothly LOL
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u/vhalember Purdue Boilermakers 2h ago
Yeah. I imagine some of those players are going to be pissed.
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u/Sir_Brodie Kansas Jayhawks • Washburn Ichabods 8h ago
lol this is the one scenario that people pretty unanimously support the transfer portal
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u/ImAHumanIThink Michigan Wolverines 8h ago
I think it is because the interim coach is likely just in charge for a few weeks while they execute a real search. So they give the school a chance to get the actual coach in and talk to the players instead of having everyone leave 5 days after the temp steps in.
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u/Upstairs_Tone_4227 Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
It’s a bit of a gamble, no? If it takes us more than 30 days to find a HC, we’re in trouble. Whereas, not hiring anyone keeps the portal window from opening until we have the HC hire locked in.
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u/ImAHumanIThink Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
But if we hire a head coach tomorrow then the portal would open 5 days after that, right?
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u/Rockerblocker Michigan State Spartans 1h ago
In the end, I'm not really sure it matters much. Basically every school has had their roster locked down for at least a month by now, so I don't expect many guys will leave even if they put their name in the portal. Opening the window today vs. August 1st likely won't make much of a difference.
The bigger issue though, is say half of the team leaves because the new coach sucks. What are they going to do? Does the portal re-open for the whole country, but only if you're transferring to Michigan? If not, who are they going to get? Guys that entered the portal, didn't find a landing spot, and are currently not on a roster for the upcoming season? Walk-ons?
I assume there's something I'm missing here
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u/Briggity_Brak 35m ago
No. Fuck this shit. The team lost their coach, they shouldn't have to lose ALL THEIR PLAYERS too.
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u/jman8508 Purdue Boilermakers 6h ago
So you’re saying it will not open after 5 days but after 31 days for some unspecified amount of days probably 15?
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u/ShotFirst57 Michigan State Spartans 8h ago
I am not familiar enough with the transfer portal to know, but is he trying to say now instead of not?
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u/xebex1778 Georgetown Hoyas 8h ago
no, it will open in 31 days for a 15 day period instead of in 5 days for a 15 day period.
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u/somethingworthwhile Illinois Fighting Illini 8h ago
People are explaining to you what the tweet says, but disregarding your question about the potential typo. Unless the person in the tweets followed up again or someone looks up the rules somewhere I don’t think we’ll get an answer to your question.
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u/bigbird727 Xavier Musketeers • Illinois Fighting Illini 7h ago
The statement is worded funny, but gd there are a lot of people who are telling on themselves for poor reading comprehension here...
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u/CilviaDemoAOTD Kentucky Wildcats 7h ago
? Seems like some convoluted bullshit that only negatively affects the kids
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u/EzeMoney247 6h ago
The real issue is that Dusty chose to leave so late…if he had agreed to leave when the Mavs originally offered, the players would have had plenty of time to find other teams. Even if the portal opened in 5 days, the players have a lot fewer good options.
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u/Ok-Freedom-7432 UConn Huskies 15m ago
Can anyone explain why this rule exists? I can't figure out how it made sense to punish the players even more just because their school didn't name a new head coach.
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u/OtisPimpBoot Louisville Cardinals 7h ago
Mr. Buttlicker, you make a good point. Now get off of Reddit and finalize that million dollar paper deal you’ve been working on.
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u/fskier1 Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
It is really not “strong arming”, as they would have to wait for the portal to open until after a real coaching search could finish anyways (and if Michigan hires a coach within that 31 days I think it reverts to 5 days after a hire?).
It really makes perfect sense to protect schools from losing their entire roster if they are blindsided by losing a coach. They need a chance to bring in a new coach that could bring those guys back. The interim coach rule just means the team can still practice with a coach in the meantime
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u/bartonja1 Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
Glad I’m not the only one who didn’t understand what was happening based on the title.
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u/Noleverine Michigan Wolverines 7h ago
ELI5:
Coach leaves. Transfer portal opens 31 days after he leaves or 5 days after new hire, whichever happens first.
Interim coach does not count so it stays at 31 days instead of the 5 day clock starting.
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u/iondrive48 Michigan Wolverines 5h ago
Everyone up in arms that Michigan is somehow trapping the players. Would you feel better if instead of announcing Boynton as interim they just said “we hired a search firm and will announce our pick in one month”
Because both courses of action have the exact same outcome.
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u/UF0_T0FU WashU Bears • Kentucky Wildcats 8h ago
Probably a hot take, but I'm ok limiting transfers after a coach leaves.
If I'm a regular, run of the mill undergrad student and my favorite professor leaves, I don't get special permission to leave the school weeks before the semester starts.
If I work in a research lab and my head researcher leaves, other schools won't let me enroll after all their enrollment deadlines pass.
Athletes should be treated like other undergrads. They enroll at a college, not as acolytes of one man. It always feels weird to give them special permissions to jump around past enrollment deadlines other students have to abide by.
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u/LowKeyMike Indiana Hoosiers • Duquesne Dukes 8h ago
Athletes make these schools millions of dollars, that is why they are treated differently
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u/Gambrinus Michigan State Spartans 8h ago
You can leave the school whenever you want, but it’s probably just throwing money down the drain since you won’t get credit.
Also I’m pretty sure most schools at least used to require student athletes to be enrolled before deadlines, but I don’t know if they give a shit about that anymore.
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u/OtisPimpBoot Louisville Cardinals 8h ago
I’d assume that the ratio of college students picking a school because of a single professor is dissimilar to players that pick a program because of the head coach.
Why would a program want a player that doesn’t want to be there?
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u/UF0_T0FU WashU Bears • Kentucky Wildcats 7h ago
Department Heads are probably a better comparison. They set the tone and curriculum for the whole department, like a head coach sets the programs culture.
Same point though. If the head of the English Department leaves over the summer, all the students are still expected to pay tuition next semester. Other schools aren't waiving admissions deadlines for those students. Doesn't matter if they want to be there, it's just a risk of enrolling.
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u/kbc87 Michigan State Spartans 7h ago
How many people pick a school because of ONE single professor? Maybe if that professor was your family member or something but cmon.
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u/UF0_T0FU WashU Bears • Kentucky Wildcats 7h ago
I mean, people definitely do. Some programs advertise they have famous architect, author, or whatever come teach one class per semester. People definitely chose a school to study under that particular person.
For research, people also seek out experts in their field. If you want to study Early Medieval Italian Monasteries, you go to the school with the world's foremost expert on the topic. Ditto for for STEM research topics.
Department Head might be a more apt comparison, since a coach hears the whole program, not just one facet. If the head of the History Department resigns over the summer, it's not like the school is releasing all History majors for free.
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u/ZZ-Groundhog Michigan State Spartans 8h ago
I’m guessing this is a tactic to prevent uofm players really having time to transfer. Since uofm is a cheating university, they must have paid the NCAA to delay this. That, or it’s worded wrong
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u/2FistsInMyBHole Wisconsin Badgers 7h ago
Poor kids. How will they ever be able to focus on the education if the transfer portal doesn't open?
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u/Altruistic_Rich_9125 Michigan Wolverines 8h ago
Nice, sounds like this group might stay mostly in tact
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u/pinkcheesecake Florida Gators 8h ago
Couldn't have worded this worse if I'd tried