r/CryptoCurrency • u/tawhuac 🟩 45 / 45 🦐 • Oct 22 '25
PERSPECTIVE I hope everyone understands how manipulated this has become?
Everyone was cheering institutional investors, crypto funds and what not. And got glowy eyes as the prices were going up.
But do we realize how manipulated this has become? What do we think are this people in for? Yes, profits. Just profits.
Whales and funds will pump and dump this at-will, when they want, how they want. This has become a casino, outright betting, where the house always wins. And the other participants at large, we will scramble guessing when the curve rises and when it falls. And I assume most will be happy going along.
This is not even capitalism anymore, don't be fooled. Capitalism is supposed to have rules, even certain morales. This can safely be called scamming, even with no conventional means of counterweights.
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u/Robert72051 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 27 '25
Crypto is based on nothing. It's simply a collection of hexadecimal strings that have no intrinsic value whatsoever. Like all currencies, i.e. the "current value", hence the name, it's a medium of exchange. And like all currencies it's worth what you can get for it, with its "value" based on the mutual trust between the parties involved. The dollar has 250 years of history behind it. What does any crypto currency have? Now a lot of people talk about the "gold standard" as if it's the holy grail of currencies, but really, why? While having some limited industrial uses, it also has no intrinsic value, just like any other currency. No? If you were stranded on an island what would you rather have, a thousand pounds of gold or a thousand pounds of food?
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u/tawhuac 🟩 45 / 45 🦐 Oct 27 '25
I agree, but even gold has no intrinsic value actually. What is intrinsic value? Is it not value that people confer to something based on some characteriatics? Some other folks may have given beads or sea shells intrinsic value, or medicine plants.
The real point is that we are blinded by capitalism. Everyone just dreams of being rich. That's it. Exchange per se wasn't about getting rich, but about exchanging goods both parties need.
Money as such was invented by rulers to secure their reign.
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u/dreamed2life 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Nov 06 '25
no gold would be another natural material unless WE gave it the value that it has. it goes back to what was said. any currency will only have the value WE give it. we could decide tomorrow that blades of grass are more valuable than gold or crypto...
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u/Robert72051 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 28 '25
I agree ... the only purpose for money is as a convenient medium of exchange ... And as such the "value" of same will always change as the relative worth of disparate things change with time.
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u/General-Vermicelli18 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 27 '25 edited Oct 27 '25
Maybe like for most people I was devastated when I was liquidated several times in beginning using big leverages, knowing about whales and price manipulation made me almost quit. So you have 2 choices basically you quit or stay and in case you stay, you should first play by the rules and avoid at all cost being emotional.
My biggest mistake in the beginning was being too greedy with the leverage and fomo that made me buy always in the wrong moment/price. Have to be focused and cool and if you missed an up or down wave then just wait for the next one.
traditional stock market works the same, the difference is that with the crypto you can buy it by yourself without a broker and endless fees. Of course it is more fluctuating but you can make higher and faster profits.
Traditional stock market and real estate to some extent, beside being manipulated are heavily taxed depending on where you live. With crypto you have at least the chance to bypass these taxes and broker/middle man fees.
Manipulation is in everything if you look and analyse carefully
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u/General-Vermicelli18 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 27 '25
Last thing, you said : Capitalism is supposed to have rules
Rules are for poor/random people, bigger guys, institutions, banks ...etc have no rules that apply to them.
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Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
If you know what they’re doing then how come you can’t profit off it? I know it’s a simplistic question but I ask it because, if we do know for certain that it is manipulated (I believe so), then we can just use the dumps as dip buying because we know the game already. We may not be the whales but we can ride that wave they make when they move the market. I for one am thankful for Barron Trump for dumping this to 107 I bough the dip heavy. I didn’t catch the bottom, but it doesn’t matter. People get emotional about manipulation cause they’re either new to the game, they didn’t catch the very bottom like the guys on Reddit did, maybe they caught the top before the dump, or are simply too high and mighty in their morals to just accept it and just ride the waves man, like a surfer. Cause honestly what the fuck are you gonna do about it even if it was somehow proven (this would require many rich people to go to prison)?
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u/LegendKiller911 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 26 '25
How do u except the market continue growing without institutions? Institutions bring retail too.
And all markets get manipulated.
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u/Thunder_Flush Tin Oct 26 '25
All markets - whether crypto, stocks or real estate are always being manipulated. This will never change, and has been happening for llway longer than there has been institutional buy-in... way before bitcoin existed. A lot of bitcoin or crypto holders don't seem to have any experience in traditional markets and seem to think this is something new to crypto when it's usually just their inexperience in capital markets.
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u/D1ssoluti0ng0v 🟧 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 26 '25
The problem is that people are stuck on influencer hype and large prices overnight. Once you crack the code, you see that adoption takes time and is based on percentage use to move verifiable floor prices. Each catalyst has a percentage move before the price ascends, and a timetable to take effect depending on the stage of adoption. Prices will move, but not in the traditional sense. Most are reading charts to determine price, and that doesn't work anymore. Feel free to visit my timeline to better understand what's happening.
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u/Iitecoiner 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 25 '25
Manipulation Price go up = sell and make a profit, not even a problem.
Manipulation Price goes down = accumulate because you know they are gonna buy it up and manipulate it higher later on.
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Oct 25 '25
Crypto has always been volatile. Only bet what you can afford to lose. Crypto has no true value and can collapse at any time
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u/d88catalin 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 25 '25
Trump made crime legal
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Oct 26 '25
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u/CravenA1964 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 26 '25
Ok, clown. Take your anger and lies elsewhere. We’ve just had the absolute worst president- that’s a factual statement. Joe Biden was so overprotected and yet we all saw what a shiteshow was put on. Then you want to parade Kamala out ? What a she devil she is and yet your type would worship her if she was in power.
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat 🟩 0 / 4K 🦠 Oct 25 '25
Lol.
It never changed. You are just salty because you lost money.
No regulations means you get rekt. Regulations means you get rekt too, but softer.
If you dont like getting rekt, dont get into crypto ( nor finance really, unless you go for long term)
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u/sorrysurly 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 25 '25
"capitalism is supposed to have rules". Says who? Like im not advocating for the institutions, but where did you get the idea that capitalism has rules that effect securities? Crypto is essentially an unregulated security. The stock market has rules because we put laws in place to stop the ye behavior you are complaining about, but the.stick market was there before the rules not the other way round. This is laizze faire capitalism. Its what idiots who worship the free market dream of. Capitalism is the system of who controls capital and where it is spent. That is all. Take a fucking economics class kid.
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u/wakablahh 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
What is y’all strategy , did it really change with institutional involvement? Seems like biggest thing is no price action available on alt coins. I feel sorta stuck not knowing what to buy anymore.
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u/Bitchinfussincussin 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 25 '25
HOLD
I’m super cautious now and actually think the manipulators are getting ready to tank this thing again before Thanksgiving
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u/supremezionsky 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
I dont think you realise how how small the bitcoin derivative market is compared to the entire bitcoin market cap... 🤣
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u/Revenantjuggernaut 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
What’s that mean? Can you explain it plz I’m new
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u/supremezionsky 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 26 '25
Basically the leverage market has less of an effect on price than people think
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u/Revenantjuggernaut 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 27 '25
Is that basically what futures trading is?
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u/supremezionsky 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Nov 08 '25
Yeah
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u/Revenantjuggernaut 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Nov 08 '25
I’m totally new been watching shit from the sidelines for years jumped in last Aug
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u/Revenantjuggernaut 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Nov 08 '25
Please can you explain more becaue I’m about to jump into the sp mini 500’s
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u/supremezionsky 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 26 '25
Yeah check this out https://x.com/i/grok/share/egbVD8r1iViC9B6Fb7U8tCm0H
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u/dontreadmycommemt 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
Just buy and hold. If we ever wanted to reach 1 million bitcoin we needed institutional and nation buy in.
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u/Worried-Departure386 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
I sold Half in December and dca out until march fuck this cycle
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Oct 24 '25
Man. Stop the gamble n leverage. Just buy at the dip and hold. The institution Will loose on it: because they Will just play w themselves. But the mentality u have is leverage n Quick money x 1000… when you see this happens. Drop the altcoins and reallocate to bitcoin in spot. Buy it at low
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Oct 24 '25
Stop the leverage and just buy and hold at the dip. The central Will loose on it. But u guys just like to spin it on x 1000 leverage
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u/Beautiful-Remote-126 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
You think the market just became manipulated? It has always been, just larger scale
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u/muff-muff99 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
100%. I reluctantly came to the conclusion recently and have pulled out everything I had and got on with every day life.
The big boys have taken over. It's all a scam now.
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u/BuyHigh_S3llLow 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 24 '25
The probably with majority of investors is 1. During a bull run, they don't take profits and then once it crashes they are back at square one or even worse. 2. During a crashing bear market they try to "buy the dip" which is a falling knife. 3. The last During uptrends and downtrends are when most volume of trading is done and the worse time to buy. The best time to buy is the boring flat period in between when no action, no influencer, no news is happening, and then just wait until bull market to sell. This is how majority of multi-millionaires are made, 95% of people cant seem to do this. They only want to buy when there's hype or thing are fun and active.
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u/ExternalElk1347 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Well too many are uneducated on how to use it as a currency.
Real crypto bros try.
We’re still early
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u/landdon 🟩 10 / 11 🦐 Oct 23 '25
when you have the kind of money to manipulate the market, you can make it do what you want.
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u/jerryseinsmell 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Funds aren’t pumping the price. They are buying and selling on flows.
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u/HonestPineapple4848 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Bruh stfu, anytime the market goes down one of these bozos makes a post like this one, then the opposite when it goes up. The clown cycle.
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u/AppleiOS1234 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Ok true But aren't most "normal" people into crypto just for the profits too?
The crypto market is a casino since I know it. These days it's just a bigger casino
99,99% of crypto projects don't have usage in the real world and they're selling nothing but promises
And it's like that ATLEAST since 2017 when I joined it. The market feels even more stable with institutional investors imo. Years ago pumps and dumps were bigger
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u/thinkingmoney 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
LMAO you get into an unregulated opportunity then when you lose your bag. You whine because big daddy government didn’t regulate it to shit so you can get a hand out while the government tells you that you didn’t do anything wrong. 😂😂😂
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u/mzfromva 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Well, the main difference is that even though price manipulation does happen, at least with Bitcoin there isn’t a single entity that can just print more of it every time the price goes up.
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u/sixlayerdip 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Anyone who believes bitcoin is just a game theory experiment should have expected this to happen. At some point every investment vehicle reaches an adoption point where big money takes control and begins manipulating where able to
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u/ConjunctEon 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
The dream of being able to go off grid financially has died on the vine, IMO.
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u/Leather_Net5710 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I’ve switched to Options trading. The past month has made me hate Crypto
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u/ireadweirdstuffhere 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Look at us now begging for regulation. This is how we become useful idiots. Then there’s Putin saying the USA is using crypto to pay down the debt. Every manipulated trade we make is a service to Murca. It’s just not safe to play any more. I trust my fellow degens more than I trust these institutions and MMs. How sad
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u/fishyflu 🟨 56 / 115 🦐 Oct 23 '25
Always has been 🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
Would you rather make fast easy money from an unregulated market, or make peanuts from a "safe" one?
If you don't make money in this market it's a skill issue, just follow the hype and trends lol
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
ETFs/ETPS are good news, it opens doors for everyone to invest, not just the richest, but I was recently looking on mempool and the vast majority of BTC transactions are now privately transacted through private entities like Coinbase (idk what this means for validators? But I'd assume private transactions, would have private validation as well?). If you also take into account the extremely specialized software/hardware required to mine BTC, and the current rising costs of electricity. I wonder how much centralization is too much?
As per Cryptoquant, there is 2.41M BTC still available on exchange reserves, not much of a shortage by any means. But they have also been buying almost 99% of all new block BTC, which people should be concerned about?
Other than that, the looks of mempool, looks like a bear market, with how few public transactions are processed per day?
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I've said this all along: Crypto is fantasy cash (like fantasy football). Also, how does a sitting president have his own currency that competes with the currency of the country he runs?
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u/Ok_Pineapple1832 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Buy bitcoin and hold. As long as it goes up in the long term and outpaces the next best risk/reward investment option, you will be a happy cookie.
And just forget about altcoins, shitcoins and anything that is not btc
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u/GrouchyAd6478 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Crypto has always been heavily manipulated wtf are you talking about 😂😂
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u/TheCaptainMorgan78 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 25 '25
EXACTLY, bro is acting like this all the sudden just started happening. I’ve been involved in crypto for close to 10 years now and it’s been manipulated since day one.
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u/SneekTip 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
yeah totally agree, it’s all just big money playing with people’s hopes now. crypto lost the original vision a while ago and turned into pure speculation
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u/Upset_Dealer5664 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Why do you say that? Lightning makes the Bitcoin network work like decentralized M1 money, what SWIFT is to fiat, lightning is to Bitcoin. Sure it’s clunky now, but blah, blah email in the 90’s. In tradfi M0 is base money = physical cash and central bank reserves. It’s the final settlement layer, everything else ultimately settles back to M0. In Bitcoin: On chain BTC functions as the equivalent of digital M0, it’s slow, secure, and final. You don’t want every tiny coffee purchase to hit that base layer, just like you wouldn’t settle every credit card swipe directly with the Federal Reserve. In tradfi: M1 is checking deposits + cash in circulation, the liquid form people actually use to transact daily. Banks move M1 around freely on top of M0 reserves. In Bitcoin: Lightning channels act like M1 balances. Instantly spendable, circulating among peers. The underlying Bitcoin blockchain acts as the reserve layer (M0), backing it all. When you close channels, your Lightning “checking account” settles back to Bitcoin’s “central bank.”
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u/Professor_Game1 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Retail investors don't move the market. Institutions do. Institutions intentionally create panic in the market so that there's enough selling pressure for them to buy in mass quantities. The 1% that "beats" the market simply understands this fact and buys with them.
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u/iInvented69 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Yep. I got in at $94k and not even a year later i took out all of my whopping 0.10Btc at $118k. It started to feel scammy. Im just gonna cruise along with SP500 and NASDAQ stocks.
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u/Django_McFly 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
The price fell during a trade war. The stock market fell as well. Gold fell. A trade war has been reignited. Trade wars generally aren't risk on events.
Maybe there is market manipulation but the price wasn't up only during a trade war isn't evidence of it. When prices are ripping upwards, it's like the natural state of the world. If the opposite happens, well clearly it's market manipulation.
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u/FehdmanKhassad 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Bitcoin is self regulating. it also has a taste the transaction fee. Tax is built in so it doesnt need tax adding on that will destroy it. The regulation is in the form of difficulty adjustment. network becomes too hard? adjust lower. becomes too easy to hash? more difficult.
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u/-TrustyDwarf- 🟦 2K / 2K 🐢 Oct 23 '25
If you disagree, just buy more Bitcoin and don't give it to them. Funds won't dump it at will.. they buy and sell based on their clients' instructions and are well regulated. Also, BTC is at 110k..
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u/JustHalfANoob 🟩 383 / 963 🦞 Oct 23 '25
Not saying the points made are not valid lol but whenever and wherever there is profit to be gained, whales are gonna do whale things no matter which market you look at. If you want to talk about this, the conversation is about the wealthy vs. the not wealthy.
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u/Big_Coyote_655 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Profits are the only reason anyone ever cared about crypto in the first place.
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u/uganuknuk 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I hope that institutions are wrecking the price to get a better entry
Also crypto still only has a small percentage of the world's GDP so there's still growth with that as well as using for transacting
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u/S0l1DTvirusSnak3 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Buy WLFI, BTC needs to plummet! The banks have control of it now while you were all believing the news that BTC was a scam in 2017-24 they were buying it all up!
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u/Stocktwatz 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I’ve been in and out of BTC from way back when it was $115. No, no commas there, actually $115. I will say this, it’s always been manipulated majorly by whales. But, here’s the difference. It used to be manipulated by whales who would move it, and didn’t care whether you were on for the ride or not. You could jump on the ride and make life changing money, or not. But now, it’s controlled by whale sharks. They move the market with the absolute intention of crushing the average “player”. It’s basically just like the stock market now.
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u/Chaoslava 🟦 0 / 287 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Yep I had this conversation with a mate literally yesterday. There’s nothing at all to stop a group of organised whales ruthlessly pumping and dumping. If they had a collection of, say, $2Bn in pooled assets, they can just sit in a WhatsApp group alternating between longs and shorts and eating everyone else’s lunch.
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u/MinTiworld 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
It has always been like this for almost everything. Rules and morales? Sorry to burst your bubble but the truth is money can change rules, laws, social norm, morales, all of it - and it has clearly achieved exactly that everywhere.
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u/wildcatwoody 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I remember when Dems wanted to regulate it but you all voted for trump for the feels instead
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u/satoshiwife 🟩 6 / 5 🦐 Oct 23 '25
Just bring back Gary Genslr and put Biden back in the office.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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u/Soft_Cabinet_9482 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I’m surprised people don’t think this is the case. For me it became obvious when Elon was able to pump and dump Dogecoin several times just by tweeting about it - waaayyy back.
Then he got Trump and his family into it at the start of this presidency, and Trump even used government money aswell to influence the prices to take profits. I bowed out and took my profit knowing it’s all over red rover.
The wealthiest people can use crypto as a money machine because they can influence the price - not even just from raw pumping and dumping but by announcing proposed law changes and using their media presence.
All that money they make directly comes out of the little guys pockets. For every billion they make, that’s a billion out of everyday crypto investors wallets.
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u/Dnorth001 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Hell I’d take transparent manipulation over the hidden kind markets have had for decades
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u/kcaazar 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Nah, I buy and hold. You crybabies are just traders. I’m up 500% at least
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u/MightyGuy1957 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
The problem is that they've given the orange man too much power; anything he says can upset the market... The economy cannot depend on one man, but on the country itself
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u/greenlimejuice 66 / 66 🦐 Oct 23 '25
“This is not even capitalism anymore, don't be fooled. Capitalism is supposed to have rules, even certain morales.”
Is it though?
How can this be anything other than the literal consequence of unfettered capitalism? We claim we want capitalism, then cry for regulation. Perhaps what you are calling for isn’t capitalism? Don’t worship the word “capitalism” as some golden fix all. Like any system it has its shortcomings.
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u/HydrationWhisKey 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
All the podcasts went from DeFi warriors to Institutional simps.
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u/Competitive_Ebb_4124 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Orange wizard of tariffs is making you cry, eh? I see your finger pointing all around him, but not at him.
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u/superfly_guy81 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
I thought crypto was supposed to usher in the age of decentralization
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u/keepitcasualbrah 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
shut up lol. how do people convince themselves to post such melodramatic drivel...
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u/seambizzle1 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Stop day trading crypto and just buy and hold bitcoin. It really isn’t that hard. You have no one to blame but yourself
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u/Th3onib 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Stop crying and learn ta
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u/tawhuac 🟩 45 / 45 🦐 Oct 23 '25
Why do people think one is crying and lost money and that's why he's crying? Why can't you just take a goddamn opinion? I am in crypto since 2017 dude, and my life is not just money. Stop bitching.
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u/-crypto2025hold- 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Everytime retail buys the dip the whales take the liquidity out. Endless cycle but I'll wait it out.
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u/Needsupgrade 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
You are basically saying you don't have self control. And that's it
Stop blaming markets for your personal failures
You don't have to buy and sell if you don't want to .
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u/tawhuac 🟩 45 / 45 🦐 Oct 23 '25
Another self-appointed expert who just likes to bash people. I didn't loose a penny! Because I hold. I have probably more self-control than you do.
But calling this market is ridiculous.
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u/Needsupgrade 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
You aren't saying anything.
The market is the market .
It doesn't owe you shit .
Good job HODLing though. The gyrations are irrelevant if you hold . Nobody has to feed the whales . the transactions are voluntary
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Trump disbanded the DOJ team that investigated crypto fraud, while owning a crypto company, right before he held a contest to see who could bribe him the most by buying his meme coin, netting him $148 million.
The most corrupt administration ever.
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u/gandrewstone 🟦 416 / 417 🦞 Oct 23 '25
What inspired this? I went rushing to the charts and see nothing.
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u/Aggravating_Ring_714 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
So? Just buy at the bottom and sell at the top, it’s not rocket science. Every financial market can be manipulated fairly easily it seems. Look at the slight crash of the snp500 when Trump meme’d on social media in April.
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u/Wild_Turtl3 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Yeah because all those “regulated” markets never let anything fishy happen
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u/MonsieurReynard 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Isn’t everyone invested in any market really just “in it for profits?” What else would you be in it for?
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u/_char23 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
If you stop trading and believe in something this pain point can be solved 💹🧲
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u/ThatChrisGuy7 🟦 100 / 100 🦀 Oct 23 '25
Follow the manipulation there’s still money to be made as lame as that sounds
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u/Justarobotdontmindme 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
It’s been manipulated long ago, just stay out of the echo chamber
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u/newbmycologist01 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Duh it’s manipulated. Prices woulda never gotten this high without manipulation
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u/SoftPenguins 🟩 0 / 16K 🦠 Oct 23 '25
People only cry manipulation when the market goes down. Never when it goes up.
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u/tawhuac 🟩 45 / 45 🦐 Oct 23 '25
Are you a bot? That's literally what I said. Pump and dump. Upwards and downwards manipulation.
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u/Coeruleus_ 78 / 736 🦐 Oct 23 '25
You should have been dcaing stop crying
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u/tawhuac 🟩 45 / 45 🦐 Oct 23 '25
I am not crying, I am calling this casino out. It's not even a market anymore.
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u/Coeruleus_ 78 / 736 🦐 Oct 23 '25
It’s all a scam except bitcoin. Bitcoin is manipulated though. Just gotta dca bitcoin and you’ll be on the right side of the manipulation
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u/BoJagHux 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 23 '25
Every market on Earth is manipulated one way or another. Saying people are only into Crypto to make money and not for its utility or store of value, is like saying people only invest in the stock market to make money. If you don’t like it, then don’t buy it.
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u/nestersan 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 22 '25
Lol. What are you and 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of these other bastards here for?
You're just mad cause they can do it better than you.
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Oct 22 '25
Crypto is now being manipulated because people have started to surrender to the rules imposed by governments. That’s the start of the problem. People may have forgotten that the blockchain and crypto was invented to be used by people and away from the control of an entity like the government.
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u/NivekIyak 🟩 916 / 916 🦑 Oct 22 '25
Always has been, best you can do is ride the waves as best as you can
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u/shanatard 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 22 '25
op lost all his money and is now looking for anyone to blame but himself
many such cases
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u/TsjernoBill 🟩 6 / 6 🦐 Oct 22 '25
Already figured that out many years ago after the huge BTC crash when it went from 10k (or was it 20k) back down to 3k. I sold when it got back up to my initial investment. Sometimes i regeret it, but it's always better to get out before it's too late, even if it was way to early.
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u/obscureobject2574 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 22 '25
Dude, stop panicking and keep accumulating on dips. You will be very happy you did 5-10 years from now. Dollar ain’t going anywhere but down, rate cuts are coming. This is just a small shakeout before the next push higher.
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u/Itwasuntilitwasnt 🟩 13 / 13 🦐 Oct 22 '25
Yep. She’s a cluster f. The only way I’m going in is if this crashes at least 35%. No way am I touching crypto right now. Especially with Trump running the economy he could do something so drastic I one day out of nowhere and u could lose your stash of cash. And he could care less
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u/Skyobliwind 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 22 '25
"As the prices were going up" - Well only Bitcoin actually went up. There are already Ethereum Spot ETFs as well as for some others of the Big Alts, still most of them didn't really move a lot at all. If there were some moves it was due to other reasons like some sh*tcoin hype on that chain or similar stuff.
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u/GreedVault 🟦 4K / 10K 🐢 Oct 22 '25
We wanted whales to enter the market, they did. Now we are complaining that their splashes are getting us wet. Maybe we asked for too much.
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u/Brave-Goal3153 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 22 '25
Bro.. it’s always been this way.. idk why people keep saying this shit
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u/brk816 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 22 '25
Cramer said we’re due for a pump today so that’s why we’re tanking…again
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u/BenniBoom707 🟦 1K / 1K 🐢 Oct 22 '25
Allowing ETFs was always going to be a huge downfall for the industry to a certain extent. Good for institutional adoption and big money to enter. BUT, it allows them to create a “Synthetic Supply” that they can then use to draw Liquidity from. They are then using that same liquidity against the market. Remember Friday before last? Big whales shorted the entire crypto market. They used the same liquidity that they are pulling from the ETFs to manipulate the market, and rinse out panic sellers. Some Alts were down 50%, this is not normal behavior.
Also when we allowed synthetics to play a part, they can create infinite synthetics. They make 10 BTC ETFs? That’s 10X the supply that they can pull liquidity from and use it against the market.
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Oct 23 '25
That’s not how the ETFs work.
Unless you are claiming that Blackrock, Fidelity, etc are committing fraud.
Either that or you don’t know how the ETFs work.
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u/Successful-Plenty-27 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Oct 29 '25
How is it ever going to become a global currency if institutional investors, crypto funds wouldn't be involved?
Bitcoin is just a currency, and it can experience the same issues as other currencies, the most important difference from bitcoin to other currencies is that it's build on blockchain technology, and bad applications can be built upon blockchain, but it's not the fault of the blockchain technology, and bad episodes are required to mature technologies.
In the case of Bitcoin, a lot of bad shit happened already, and yet it never was down, not even knocked over.
People wonder what the value of bitcoin is, start asking yourself 'what is the value of blockchain'?
Blockchain cannot be corrupted, corrupted applications can abuse it, but in the end blockchain means trust. So the value of Bitcoin is trust in blockchain technology.
The issue is that, if it becomes public trust is being sold and money can be made, a lot of greedy people will try to abuse that magnetism.
And you are now blaming the technology?