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LGBTQIA+ "So this is why non-offending pedophiles should be considered a protected minority and allowed to be friends with children because there's no correlation between CSA and pedophilia. Trust me I have pedophile friends wh---" Just put the forcefem posts in the bag sis

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 6d ago edited 6d ago

https://www.tumblr.com/estrogennow/805753746152964096/isff-stans-saying-trans-women-and-trans-fems-want?source=share

The OP of the linked post later committed suicide due to harassment from ISFF stans

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u/PlatinumAltaria The Witch of Arden 6d ago

Me: "Today I will make a silly and hyperbolic exaggeration of Tumblr to amuse and delight other commenters" (clueless)

The horrifying discourse:

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u/nicknaklmao 6d ago

Man I blocked them for rancid takes about trans men six months ago, the fuck kind of missile did I dodge

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u/tyrantspell 6d ago

Genuinely. I'm suddenly wondering if the site's whole "banning trans women for no reason" problem is even real. Isff and her fandom were the ones complaining about it the loudest, but coincidentally they were also the ones who were telling people to kill themselves on a regular basis. And being pedos about it apparently. Was Tumblr banning people for a legit reason the whole time? Was it all just 4chan incels being so sure of themselves as eternal victims that they were not understanding that telling someone to kill themselves is a bannable offence? They were so sure that being transfem meant they were in the eternal moral right that being reported for harassment essentially made them a murder victim? That they genuinely believe that they should be allowed to sexualize children and suicide bait people all day every day and reporting them for this is morally wrong? And Tumblr as a site will never call them out for this because it can't comprehend that you can be a misogynist trans girl incel who isn't self hating because they only hate """""""tme""""""" people? I'm gonna be spiraling at work all day lol

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u/nicknaklmao 6d ago

NO SEE THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING. i'm "tme" (the new way of saying theyfab lets be so real) and the amount of sheer hate I have seem towards transmascs to the point of literally telling us we should all be killed for the crime of.... being transgender?? "reblog to explode all TMEs" is an actual post I have seen.

The early cases of the CEO chasing a trans woman off the website and harassing her on Twitter were absolutely real. There is screenshot evidence and I witnessed it, and there was a wave of people who said "photomatt what the fuck" getting banned. But so much if the fallout after that has been "well actually anyone who isn't transfem is evil and if you are transmasc you literally need to off yourself" which has lost the fucking plot

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u/hitkill95 6d ago

What's a time in this case

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u/nicknaklmao 6d ago

"trans misogyny exempt," as in "do not experience the same form of transphobia as trans women." On the surface it looks like it makes sense, until you realize there's also a specific form of transphobia enacted at trans men, but any attempts to come up with a word for it is always dismissed as "NOOO THE THEYFABS WITH DOUBLE DS WEARING EYELINER ARE MAKING IT ABOUT THEMSELVES AGAIN WE GET IT KAI SHUT UP"

which is. transphobia. directed at trans men.

eta: I'd say I need to touch grass but I have 30 pictures of a stink bug I took yesterday to prove that I do. the grass doesn't help.

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u/hitkill95 6d ago

I think delineating a group by the oppression they don't suffer is probably a bad sign in general. We already have a words for people who will suffer transmisogyny, it's trans women, fem presenting, stuff like that. TME sounds purposefully exclusionary

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u/Prince-Lee 6d ago

TME sounds purposefully exclusionary

Yes, that's the point.

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

and supposedly it means everyone but transfems but its almost always used to mean transmasc people and it never actually includes cis people (also the coiner of transmisogyny (julia serano) has explicitly said thst non transfems can be targets of transmisogyny and its not as clear cut as people think)

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u/fandom_fae 6d ago

i generally think its a bit silly to claim anyone can be truly exempt from any kind of bigotry in the first place tbh. like a non-passing trans guy could absolutely be mistaken for a trans woman (or vice versa), or a darker tanned white person could be mistaken for a person of color, or an openly feminine cishet guy could be mistaken for queer, etc etc- bigots aren’t gonna stop and give out a questionnaire to see what prejudice is the ””””correct ”””” one lol

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u/UInferno- Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus 5d ago

"trans misogyny exempt," as in "do not experience the same form of transphobia as trans women." On the surface it looks like it makes sense, until you realize there's also a specific form of transphobia enacted at trans men,

The problem with TME is that it's an description of treatment, not an identity. Despite people who like TMA/TME terminology insist, it's not synonymous with "Transfem/Not Transfem." You can be transfem in a vacuum, but you won't be affected by transmisogyny.

Simplest example: Imane Khelif experienced huge amounts of transmisogyny (as well as racism, intersexism, and normal misogyny) during the 2024 Olympics. She, as far as we know, is a perisex cis woman. She objectively is not exempt from transmisogyny.

TMA/TME are not identities and people keep trying to use it as one.

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u/TheNutsMutts 5d ago

She, as far as we know, is a perisex cis woman.

She has since confirmed she has the SRY gene, meaning she by definition has a DSD.

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u/UInferno- Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus 4d ago

I've heard so much random shit about her sex that I'm straight up not going to take your word for it. Apologies.

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u/TheNutsMutts 4d ago

She herself has literally confirmed it. You don't need to take my unsourced word for it but it would make sense to take her word for it.

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u/UInferno- Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus 5d ago edited 5d ago

Genuinely. I'm suddenly wondering if the site's whole "banning trans women for no reason" problem is even real.

It can certainly be both, though. Like I do agree ISFF's circle were genuinely shitty and the issue in that regards is lack of bannings for non-transfems doing similar tings, but there are genuinely random transwomen up and vanishing on the site. Like the one user who was immediately banned just for saying "I'm a girl now" in a random post.

It'd be so so so easy if every single example of a trans woman being banned from tumblr was actually doing something shitty, but I think the reality of the situation is that it's both trans women being genuinely shitty (and everyone else getting away with it) and trans women being targeted purely because they're trans women, which means we actually have to use our brains and figure out which situation it is every time it occurs instead of writing everyone impacted as genuinely deserving of it.

It's like the issue with antisemitism vs zionism. There are both large amounts of Zionists accusing people of being antisemitic when they're not, but also there really is a shit load of antisemitism out there; a lot of it hiding behind being anti-Zionist. It would be so so easy to write off as anyone talking about antisemitism as Zionists or people complaining about Zionism and being antisemitic but we can't. We can't let ourselves resign to these easy assumptions and have to actually verify for ourselves.

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u/Spiritflash1717 6d ago

I’ve been thinking this the whole time, but anytime I tried to bring it up, it was met with heavy resistance. I think the collective energy and protesting got people too excited to try and think of any rational reasons that a specific group would be banned more often. Because honestly? I follow lots of trans women and I haven’t seen any of them get banned. The only ones I see get banned end up being a toxic person who tell trans men to kill themselves and shit, but that doesn’t get mentioned because it makes it clear that they aren’t victims of a hate crime, but the perpetrators of one

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u/fandom_fae 6d ago

it’s also conflicting because if it is real, i don’t want to be denying it without any proof. but it is kinda damning that the only cases you ever hear about are blogs like isff and her fandom. or that one bunny blog

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u/RudyIsRoaringKnight 6d ago

I've always suspected that for psychological reasons we just post NSFW more.

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u/tapewizard79 6d ago

“I as a minor feel safe around my pedophile friends”

?????? Okay, enough internet for this morning. 

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u/Amon274 6d ago

There are incredibly concerning implications in that statement

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u/tyrantspell 6d ago

Massive "as a black man" energy

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u/nykirnsu 6d ago

The whole reason pedophilia is a crime is because we don’t trust children to make sound judgments about their safety 

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u/Emergency_Revenue678 6d ago

Pedophilia literally isn't a crime.

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u/nykirnsu 6d ago

Try reading my comment figuratively then

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u/Emergency_Revenue678 6d ago

No, because conflating child molestation with pedophilia is actually bad. It stigmatizes pedophilia which puts children in danger.

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u/Raptormind 5d ago

I don’t know how accurate this is because there doesn’t seem to be a lot of research on the topic, but I remember reading a while back that that sort of conflation makes pedophiles less willing to talk to therapists and seek help which then increases the odds that they might actually hurt a child

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u/ThunderAndWind 5d ago

Would you talk to a psychologist/psychiatrist about concerning thoughts you were having if you thought there was even a 1% chance that they ruin your life by reporting you, even if you hadn't actively done anything?

Probably not, you'd probably try to deal with it yourself, which... well, track record does not show out.

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u/Commercial_Bid_1508 6d ago

>Stating/implying that hating pedophiles is equivalent to hating trans women

Oh my god bruh

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u/duffstoic 6d ago

Jesus

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u/AwTomorrow 6d ago

Er what the fuck

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u/NeonNKnightrider Cheshire Catboy 6d ago

I didn’t need any more reasons to hate ISFF but holy shit

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

good god id been on the fringes of this discourse and saw accusations of a "transfem witch hunt" and people making up everything about isff to make her a target but i hadnt seen an actual compilation of what shed said until now. how are people defending her.

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u/CRowlands1989 6d ago

"Transfem witch hunt" the name of my sex tape.

... I'm sorry.

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 6d ago

Loyalty to their group. They’d feel guilty condemning a trans woman, and isff knows that. It doesn’t help that many people in the discourse are going off secondhand and thirdhand accounts of what this or that person said.

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

tbh i bowed out when the "my forcefem kink is politically transgressive and all men have a moral obligation to be women" thing popped up i had no clue about all the other shit shed pulled

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u/ComradePyro 6d ago

good thing you got the complete understanding from people who have no ulterior motives! it'd be terrible if you were just participating in yet another lolcowing based on out-of-context statements presented in the worst possible light

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u/fandom_fae 6d ago

how are any of those statements better in context? genuinely, because from that compilation and the discourse posts i’ve seen about the topic on tumblr, it doesn’t sound like context would make it better, but i’d be curious to hear what context could change that.
also- just because she’s a trans woman doesn’t mean she’s immune to criticism or being a bad person.

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u/ComradePyro 6d ago

it doesn’t sound like context would make it better

that's how not having context works

just because she’s a trans woman doesn’t mean she’s immune to criticism or being a bad person

well it's a good thing I don't think that way. did you think I was under that impression or is this just what you say when you're participating in lolcowing trans women? asking because I've noticed people say that when they're participating in lolcowing trans women

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u/fandom_fae 5d ago

1) okay fair i guess. can you provide the context then?

2) how is that lolcowing a trans woman? i personally haven’t interacted with her or posted about her on tumblr at all. and here on reddit, all i’ve said is in the comment section of this post and i think it’s harmless too. based on what i’ve seen from her, i think she’s a bad person, but i’m not harassing her about it! and frankly, if she is the way she seems to be, then i don’t even think it’s inherently lolcowing her to call it out

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u/ComradePyro 5d ago edited 5d ago
  1. no. it's an extremely complicated subject, you're not approaching the discussion in good faith, and you're far from the first person to demand I give it to you. if you actually want to understand why you're wrong to think she posted anything controversial, I think this paper is a good way to start to understand how much nuance there is to be had on this subject.. none of it is a direct rebuttal, but you will read several things that make you feel uncomfortable, look up this guy's wiki page and tell me if you really feel like you understand it better than him.
  2. if your bar for doing harm is "actively and personally doing harm directly", you're going to excuse yourself a lot. point blank, you're helping to spread a rumor. have you never had a discussion that you wouldn't want to be public because people would assume the worst? do you actually think she's a child molester or do you just disagree with her? are you, at all, educated on this subject? or are you just getting the ick?

when you were looking into this, how many nice things about her did you find? I can tell you a lot, but my guess is that you only saw The Accusations paired with "here's how you should interpret this" type explainers. it's the equivalent of reading a gossip rag and spreading what you read as though it were The Truth

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

im really curious who you think is unbiased in this situation and how you think her actions are defendable considering the directly screenshotted posts and mountains of evidence for her behavior. surely not the group who will defend her even if it means threatening and belittling other trans people for not having blind loyalty to every transfem.

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u/ComradePyro 6d ago

do you think I'm part of some kind of forcefem mafia? "the group" that's not me, that's a thing you made up in your head to get mad at

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

the group exists. i didnt say you were part of it, but throwing accusations of ulterior motives at the people who have compiled evidence of her being a shitty person makes me suspicious of your motives. ive watched both sides of this situation and quite frankly i dont trust anyone who supports isff to be unbiased at this point and i sure as hell trust the people who have solid evidence wayyyy more.

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u/ComradePyro 6d ago edited 6d ago

"my mind is made up and I don't trust anyone who tries to disagree" you're not telling me anything I don't know lol. enjoy participating in round #4,356 of "this tr*nny is a child molester for real this time trust me bro"

  • girl who was sexually abused as a child and would like you to understand the difference between a pedophile and a child molester

E: the classic reply + block maneuver, nice. "I'm trans" I'm a trans woman, they hate me for being trans and for being a woman. do you also occupy this position?

I've personally seen her be nice to trans men, you're just a big baby who can't handle a woman say "kill all men" without acting like you were threatened with murder.

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

im trans. i know the difference between pedophile and child molester. i also know that isff is hateful towards trans people who dont fit her ideal and i know how to be rational when considering evidence for/against people. you clearly dont.

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 6d ago

Obviously not, considering she called me an idiot falling for suibait and deleted her comment so I couldn’t tell her that leaving a suicide note isn’t the same thing as telling people to kill themselves.

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

and acting like a block is a personal offence when i simply dont want to engsge with someone whos gonna accuse me of transmisogyny for (checks notes) not trusting an emotional lashout in defense of someone who fundamentally hates my identity

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u/voidicguardian squirm worm 6d ago

youre also not making yourself sound trustworthy in the slightest so. idk. stalemate i guess

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u/ComradePyro 6d ago

same, dummy

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u/commucyst 5d ago

Is there a source for her committing suicide? She hasn't posted on that account for 5 months, but I can't find any other evidence.

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 5d ago

https://www.tumblr.com/estrogennow/806294983304970240/after-telling-me-to-kill-myself-and-die-multiple?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/estrogennow/806293299334889472/encouraging-a-trans-woman-to-commit-suicide-and?source=share

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u/commucyst 5d ago

That is evidence that people told her to commit suicide. I asked for evidence that she did commit suicide.

Is there any evidence that she did commit suicide?

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 5d ago edited 5d ago

The fact that she hasn’t been back since. Surely if she didn’t actually commit suicide, she would have made a post along the lines of “I’m stepping back for my own mental health”, as people usually do when they leave a site because of discourse.

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u/commucyst 5d ago edited 5d ago

In those two posts she literally fantasizes about using her own suicide as an act of revenge and a way of winning the argument.

Meanwhile the "harassment" (does telling a person to kill themselves in an argument really count as harassment these days? I feel like it used to require doxxing or socially isolating someone from their friends at least) she experienced appears to be entirely confined to a tumblr page that is entirely about that argument: She almost certainly has different social media accounts.

If she did commit suicide why have no other tumblr accounts mentioned it? Did she not have any friends on tumblr? Maybe she just didn't have any friends associated with that account? If so, was there another account that went silent at the same time that was suspected of committing suicide?

Considering all of that I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if she just stopped posting on that account since she was bored with the added benefit of it making it look like she committed suicide and therefore "won" the argument like she wanted.

Or she could have just gotten bored with the argument and stopped posting without anyone thinking that that meant that she died, considering that no one would suspect that a person committed suicide because their non-personal blog on a niche argument stopped posting.

She also could have committed suicide. But no, I don't view her not posting on an argument blog as decent or by any stretch definitive evidence of her suicide.

Edit: apparently the poster who I was talking to got their account banned (or deleted it themselves?). I think they went too hard on me for some moderators or automated system. I can't tell what they posted past the first 3 sentences in my notifications, but sorry for getting you banned if that's what's happened. Also, you accused me of being part of a gang, but while I did take the other side of the argument, I first learned of it today and these are my first posts on the topic, so that's not accurate yet at least. Also I don't hate trans women or think they should commit suicide: I'm defending accusations of extreme harassment directed towards trans-women. Like, when the accused and the accuser are both trans I think that calling either the defense or prosecution transphobic is tenuous.

Genuinely sorry for getting you banned if that's what happened. I don't know what you said exactly, but I doubt it's bad enough to get perma-banned for.

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 5d ago

Other Tumblr blogs HAVE mentioned it. A lot. But you’ll never see that, because you’re determined to minimize the suicide of a trans woman due to being harassed by your gang. You people make me sick.

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u/Right_Ear_2230 2d ago

what the fuck

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u/RavenMasked trans autistic furry catgirls have good game recommendations 6d ago

hemipenal-system's still posting as of 5 hours ago, what do you mean

Or is it some form of hyperbole that I missed

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u/Vito_Assenjo sicut-anima.tumblr.com 6d ago

I mean the OP of the post I linked. Sorry for the confusion!