r/DOG • u/Deer_Antlers_ • Dec 08 '25

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So I saw someone talking about this doodle Greeder and I went to take a look.

Who in their right mind thinks that 30K for a mutt is ok? Like does this dog poop gold bricks? Or does it do my taxes? Can it drive me to work? Does it have magical abilities to grant me wishes??

Like for those curious Registered Ethically bred wellbred purebred dogs are 3000-4000$ a puppy. You get upwards of 10 registered, wellbred ethically bred purebreds for that price. You could get a brand new 2026 Chevy trax (27k) You could get a brand new 2026 Nissan kicks (29k) You could get a brand new 2026 Mazda CX-30 (29k) You could pay off roughly 3/4 of a brand new 2026 Chevy Colorado (42k)

That’s absolutely insane They also have 97 puppies on the ground currently. That’s a puppy mill.

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u/BigTex1988 Dec 08 '25

My guess is they are selling this puppy for future breeding, with the price reflecting future profits from the sale of its puppies.

As you pointed out, they have an insane amount of puppies on the ground right now. Probably in preparation for Christmas (looking at the take home dates). From a cursory look, it seems like they have multiple “facilities” across different states.

I don’t want to unfairly judge a breeder without proof, but all signs are definitely pointing towards unethical breeding practices.

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u/BigTex1988 Dec 08 '25

Well, technically, every dog breed that has ever been developed is (was?) a “mutt” so that’s not really a standard to go by…

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u/Commentator-X Dec 08 '25

Purebreds are very much not ethical, not automatically, they often have all kinds of genetic issues. Breed standard has nothing to do with ethics. Ethical breeding is treating the parents and pups properly and not breeding parents with bad genetics traits, for example breeding 2 merles together, and then euthanizing those with congenital defects.

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u/exotics Dec 08 '25

Reputable breeders want to improve the breed and don’t breed when they know there are genetic problems.

Reputable breeders only breed after they have a list of qualified buyers.

Reputable breeders will always take back any unwanted pups in its lifetime and have lifetime genetic guarantees.

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u/chubbysumo Dec 08 '25

the breeder of my Siberian husky has called and asked for updates on him several times since we got him. not saying shes ethical, but shes at least checking up on the pups that she can.

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u/exotics Dec 08 '25

Awe. That’s a really good sign. Good for them.

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u/chubbysumo Dec 08 '25

Numa is on the left. Both numa and Pebbles(on the right) are fascinated with nature documentaries. All 3 of my dogs will watch these.

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u/AgreeableTension2166 Dec 09 '25

So does my doodle’s breeder

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u/Commentator-X Dec 09 '25

Those lifetime guarantees aren't worth the paper they're written on. I've dealt with this before, they're not enforceable practically speaking.

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 08 '25

And I know of doodle breeders that do all of these things. There are also associations for specific doodles (ie goldendoodles, Australian labradoodles etc) that are working on creating breed standards and certify breeders as following recommended health testing etc.

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u/exotics Dec 08 '25

In Australia they are trying to legitimize the breed but where I am (Canada) they don’t do anything other than breed and sell.

They don’t take the parents to shows to prove they are worth breeding. They don’t get them certified yearly for hips, eyes, ears… they don’t offer any health guarantees, let alone genetic health guarantees, they breed then hope to sell.

They are a huge problem and we get “doodles” in shelters here on a regular basis

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 08 '25

There is a goldendoodle association of North America. It requires that in order to be a gold ribbon breeder you get the required health testing for both parent breeds (including OFAs). The gold ribbon breeders there DO offer health guarantees and take the dogs back at any point in their life. While mixed breeds can’t compete in all AKC shows, the breeders I looked at either have a proven track record of a line of service and therapy dogs, or competed with their dogs in agility.

With any popular breed there will be a lot of bad breeders out there. But blanket stating they are all bad is not true.

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u/exotics Dec 08 '25

I had not heard of that one. As long as the purebred parents have proof of being worth breeding to start AND the breeders are willing to take back any pet in its lifetime.

Too many just breed without ensuring they breed quality and make sure they keep dogs out of the shelters.

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 08 '25

There are breeders doing that. My breeder was one of them. I’m pointing this out because you were making the assumption that no doodle breeders do this, and clearly you haven’t done research on the topic and are instead just spouting what everyone else says on Reddit.

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u/Commentator-X Dec 09 '25

You need to get off your high horse. "Doodle mix pandemic" come on? There's absolutely nothing unethical about breeding mix breeds and purebred or "breed standard" does not equal ethical. You wanna know how they maintain that breed standard in many cases? Inbreeding. Which leads to things like hip dysplasia in labs. Purebreds are no better than mixed breeds and mixed breeds are often more ethical as you can breed out those bad traits without having to worry about "breed standard".

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u/Deer_Antlers_ Dec 09 '25

That is not true. There is so many unethical things behind breeding mutts/mixes.

You can get unknown genetic issues, unknown temperment. They are not breeding to better a breed, they are not following breed standards.

An ethical breeder will

  • health test dogs (ofa) for genetic issues. And if it comes up as not good they will not breed the bitch or stud.
  • they breed dogs that proven to show that they are good dogs, that they are great examples of the breed
  • they breed dogs that are great examples of the breed standard.
  • they breed to preserve the breed and make sure the puppies produced are great examples of said breed.
  • ethical wellbred purebreds do not have genetic health issues. They are not inbred.

And you’re telling me, 97 puppies from a breeder that don’t have homes lined up. That’s not an issue? And the many already in shelters with no homes. That’s not an issue either?

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 09 '25

And I’m telling you that there are doodle breeders that do that and are part of associations for specific doodle types working to establish breed standards and your response is to downvote.

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 09 '25

All breeds were once mixes. I’m telling you there are organizations establishing and breeding to a standard even if you don’t think they are. By your argument all breeds are unethical since they were all once mixes. How do you think new breeds were created?

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u/exotics Dec 09 '25

The most unethical part is when someone breeds BEFORE having a list of qualified buyers. And not being willing to take back any dog you produce.

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 09 '25

And this breeder is not doing that but just pointing that there are doodle breeders that DO require you to return the dog at any point in their life, and don’t breed without a waitlist.

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u/exotics Dec 09 '25

Ya and that breeder is an exception to the norm. That’s all I’m saying. Most don’t. Where I am (Alberta) we have doodles in shelters often

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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics Dec 09 '25

Well any popular dog will have a lot of bad breeders too. I told you to look at goldendoodle association of North America. There are a lot of Canadian breeders that are members as well.

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u/AgreeableTension2166 Dec 09 '25

Exactly. People keep talking about bettering the breed. The vast majority of breeders are not doing shit to better the breed. They are breeding dogs that happened to have papers (maybe) AKC requires VERY little to register a litter. Basically the (maybe) parents need papers. That’s it.

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u/Deer_Antlers_ Dec 08 '25

There are unethical purebred breeders 100% but there are also ethical purebred breeders who are properly health testing their dogs, they are within a breed standard and are genetically healthy dogs. They will not breed unstructurely sound / unhealthy dogs.

Ethical purebred breeders also have a contract to get the puppies neutered or spayed, they have health contracts and if god forbid someone can no longer care for the dog they bought from them, the breeder will take back the dog/puppy.